Since EA has, for two years running now, been voted worst corporation in America, I can't see how it would be a good thing. Not worst gaming company. And not voted that by gamers. EA was, for two years, out of every corporation in the United States, voted to be the absolute worst in terms of customer service, quality of products, treatment of employees, etc. by the general public.
Bank of America, that helped wreck the U.S. economy and has been sued by the U.S. government for wrongly foreclosing on peoples' houses was #2, after EA. That's how bad EA is.
Since EA has, for two years running now, been voted worst corporation in America, I can't see how it would be a good thing. Not worst gaming company. And not voted that by gamers. EA was, for two years, out of every corporation in the United States, voted to be the absolute worst in terms of customer service, quality of products, treatment of employees, etc. by the general public.
Bank of America, that helped wreck the U.S. economy and has been sued by the U.S. government for wrongly foreclosing on peoples' houses was #2, after EA. That's how bad EA is.
I'm not saying I don't believe you; I do believe you. I have no reason not to.
But just out of curiosity, who made this list and who participated in the vote? That sounds crazy to me. I mean, I'm not saying EA is a great company, but there are some truly monstrous companies out there... companies that are far worse than a gaming company could ever be on its worst day. Companies that cause death and massive destruction.
Again, I'm not saying I don't believe you. I totally believe you. I'm just shocked that anybody would rank a gaming company as worse than companies that use sweat shops, destroy environments, and actively cause the deaths of people and animals.
I'd like to see a link or the data where EA was voted the worst corporation in America. Pretty broad statement which should have been spoken about somewhere in the mainstream media. They beat out the tobacco companies and Big Oil and Wal-Mart? Speaking of Wal-Mart, I think a lot of the resentment towards EA shares a resemblance. Yeah, gamers will speak of disliking EA. Then they purchase EA products anyways.
EA Can't be any worse than LucasArts has been at making Star Wars based games. I've always been amazed at how something which is so obviously can't miss can be so consistently mishandled.
A six year old boy and his starship. Living the dream.
I'd like to see a link or the data where EA was voted the worst corporation in America. Pretty broad statement which should have been spoken about somewhere in the mainstream media. They beat out the tobacco companies and Big Oil and Wal-Mart? Speaking of Wal-Mart, I think a lot of the resentment towards EA shares a resemblance. Yeah, gamers will speak of disliking EA. Then they purchase EA products anyways.
EA Can't be any worse than LucasArts has been at making Star Wars based games. I've always been amazed at how something which is so obviously can't miss can be so consistently mishandled.
I just Googled "Worst company in America 2013" and every single hit on the first page said it was EA.
I just find that staggering. I think the company that held the poll (The Consumerist) must have a very specific group of readers.
At least I hope so. Otherwise, I'd say we really need to sort our priorities in this country.
I just Googled "Worst company in America 2013" and every single hit on the first page said it was EA.
I just find that staggering. I think the company that held the poll (The Consumerist) must have a very specific group of readers.
At least I hope so. Otherwise, I'd say we really need to sort our priorities in this country.
When the results came out, it was funny hearing the financial media trying to report on the story, because while they knew a lot about #2, 3 and 4 on the poll (Bank of America, Comcast, and Ticketmaster), they knew nothing about video games, and couldn't really explain what EA's problem was.
Reposting from the last thread that hausen tossed out the Consumerist, since he's still apparently running with the notion that it speaks for everyone and everything...
For two years running, EA has been voted the worst corporation in America. Not by gamers. By the general public and business community. Not worst gaming company. Worst corporation out of every corporation in the country.
If you think a single internet poll from a niche site based on limited options (go look at the starting field, and some of the companies that werent even put there despite some of the **** they pulled last year) is a representative sample of what the entire US population thinks, I've got multiple bridges to sell you.
I laughed at this. I wonder, what does it take to get voted the worst corporation?
Clearly not foreclosing on military families while they are deployed, rampant pollution or worker exploitation, selling dangerously defective products, or bringing the world economy to the brink of collapse.
But god forbid somebody makes a video game that does something someone doesn't like...
It's a good thing. There were only two publishers that realistically had a chance to secure a deal like this, EA or Activision. In addition, there are only about half a dozen dev houses in the world that could actually do a solid SW title. Three of them are under EA's umbrella. And those three are the ones that EA tapped to work on the license.
I'm not EA's biggest fan, but the amount of rage coming out because of this announcement, given the potential it has to yield incredible SW titles, is completely absurd.
Reposting from the last thread that hausen tossed out the Consumerist, since he's still apparently running with the notion that it speaks for everyone and everything...
Since it made international financial news, and EA has been issuing multiple press releases to try to do damage control, and has slammed EA's financials pretty severely, I wouldn't say its nothing.
But this is an internet message board, right? So we can't have any nuance. Either I think it 'speaks for everyone and everything' or its completely irrelevant, I suppose.
Since it made international financial news, and EA has been issuing multiple press releases to try to do damage control, and has slammed EA's financials pretty severely, I wouldn't say its nothing.
But this is an internet message board, right? So we can't have any nuance. Either I think it 'speaks for everyone and everything' or its completely irrelevant, I suppose.
Firstly, you're trying to prop up a poll that didn't even try to keep an individual from voting more than once. It's a venue for people to grind their axes, not anything resembling a valid statistical snapshot of public views.
Secondly, people like you are precisely the reason EA has to run DC when something like this happens. Because you don't actually think to look at what the poll looks at, how the poll is structured, or whether the poll is even a legitimate snapshot of what it claims to be. So instead of using your brain, you're letting the internet tell you what to think.
Thirdly, go ahead and look at EA's financial statements instead of relying on a talking head to tell you what to think. They're far from spectacular, but the corporation isn't imploding like you seem to be implying.
Bottom line: EA has its issues, but they pale in comparison to the things (including fraud, market manipulation, environmental regulatory noncompliance and a host of other *criminal* actions) taken by companies on (and off) the list you keep bringing up.
And none of the above is going to have any bearing on the potential of BioWare, Dice or Visceral to put out kick TRIBBLE SW titles in the coming years.
I'm not exactly sure what the big deal about the SW games is. Of course it's a good thing. Bioware/EA has been doing Star Wars games for 10 years now - since KOTOR back in 2003. They're currently running SWTOR and Bioware is considered to be a huge game developer in the industry. It only makes sense that Disney would want to continue their relationship with them.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
When i read that EA was worst corporation i was like :eek::eek:
And then i was no this is not possible.
(dramatic flashback) CnC generals
Need for speed Underground 2.
The goldend days are over EA.
SW games will be created by EA Visceral, that part of EA made games like Dead Space and did it really well at it and i would consider the whole lot as a spiritual successor to system shock 2 without a doubt. i have no problem with Visceral creating a new star wars game to the likes of Jedi academy and outcast for example. i can see them doing really well at it. of course time will tell if EA will give Visceral the time to create the game and make it quality enough.
T6 Miranda Hero Ship FTW. Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
I was playing an EA MMO before i switched to STO. It was horrible, tons of lag glitchy and more of a pay to win model really. The community had very valid reasonsto rage on the forums.
A TIME TO SEARCH: ENTER MY FOUNDRY MISSION at the RISA SYSTEM Parallels: my second mission for Fed aligned Romulans.
I was playing an EA MMO before i switched to STO. It was horrible, tons of lag glitchy and more of a pay to win model really. The community had very valid reasonsto rage on the forums.
Not trying to butt heads with you but I can point you to a dozen STO lag threads, a hundred STO bug/glitch threads, and probably a thousand STO P2W nerd rage threads.
Trust me, there are people on other game forums right now talking about how "crappy" Cryptic is just as people here are talking about how "crappy" EA is. The important thing with any game, from any company, is just to play it and have fun. When it stops being fun go and play something else.
I have played at least 150 different MMOs over the years, from dozens of different companies. There's no such thing as a perfect game. There's no such thing as a perfect game company. You can love a game/company with unbridled passion today and hate it with equal fury a month from now.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
Anyone remember the game UO? It was the 1st huge MMO IMO, and it was great back in the day. It's still in still in play under EA, who got it from Orgins. At that time people got all in a twist over the buyout, and how EA would kill the game. Well even with all they changed, the game isn't dead.
BUT...................
You can argue UO was never the same again. Plus the fact EA killed UO2 and Ultima X, blaming the fan bace, the marketing or whatever it was. But they still never happened.
What's the point? mainly just this. EA has it's good side at times, but can and does make bad choices when it comes to the gaming world. A more cureent example:
Simcity - Great looking game, but..........who's idea was it to show gifting moving from one city to the next? I lost over 2 million dollars. But hey it's a bug in the game they need to fix. Sometimes you get your gift, and sometimes you don't
EA with the SW brand 100% given to them? I don't know. Might be a bad thing, if I base this off what I seen in Simcity, but Simcity in an online game play, maybe they will do better with a stand alone game, without online play. We will see what comes of this.
The new trend with game companies is to spend so much money to make a game, then have unrealistic goals when the game sells, that 3 million copies is considered a failure.
Anyone remember the game UO? It was the 1st huge MMO IMO, and it was great back in the day. It's still in still in play under EA, who got it from Orgins. At that time people got all in a twist over the buyout, and how EA would kill the game. Well even with all they changed, the game isn't dead.
BUT...................
You can argue UO was never the same again. Plus the fact EA killed UO2 and Ultima X, blaming the fan bace, the marketing or whatever it was. But they still never happened.
Firstly: Origin
Secondly: EA is still actively supporting UO. Perhaps not as much as say, SOE does with EQ, but it's still up and running,. and it still gets content additions now and then.
What's the point? mainly just this. EA has it's good side at times, but can and does make bad choices when it comes to the gaming world. A more cureent example:
Simcity - Great looking game, but..........who's idea was it to show gifting moving from one city to the next? I lost over 2 million dollars. But hey it's a bug in the game they need to fix. Sometimes you get your gift, and sometimes you don't
EA with the SW brand 100% given to them? I don't know. Might be a bad thing, if I base this off what I seen in Simcity, but Simcity in an online game play, maybe they will do better with a stand alone game, without online play. We will see what comes of this.
You really need to stop treating EA as a singular hive minded entity. SimCity was cooked up by Maxis. Maxis is not one of the dev houses (Visceral, BioWare, DICE) that are crafting games based on the licensing deal with Disney.
And frankly, given some of the details that have sprung up regarding Sims4 in light of the SimCity fiasco, it's pretty clear Maxis are at least pretending to pay attention to the torches and pitchforks.
The new trend with game companies is to spend so much money to make a game, then have unrealistic goals when the game sells, that 3 million copies is considered a failure.
No EA isn't a single hivemind, BUT my bad on Origin vs Orgin lol, so I dropped the I.
Anyway, EA is still the point guys with anything with their name on it, and I wish it was a hive mind, at least you wouldn't get the run-a-round, and get a ton of excuses into why it's not working properly.
BTW I think I did point out UO is still up and running, but it's only a shadow of it's former self.
Anyway, EA is still the point guys with anything with their name on it, and I wish it was a hive mind, at least you wouldn't get the run-a-round, and get a ton of excuses into why it's not working properly.
Secondly, people like you are precisely the reason EA has to run DC when something like this happens. Because you don't actually think to look at what the poll looks at, how the poll is structured, or whether the poll is even a legitimate snapshot of what it claims to be. So instead of using your brain, you're letting the internet tell you what to think.
And people like you are why EA survives despite giving horrible customer service, treating their employees like garbage, and not responding to customer complaints. You like some of their games, so you feel the need to defend their horrible business practices. I like the low prices at Wal-Mart, but that doesn't make them suddenly not one of the worst employers to work for in the world.
As you yourself admitted, EA's financials are bad. Nowhere did I say they were 'apocalyptic'. Again, this is an internet message board, so no nuance allowed. EA has to be either the Second Coming or the Anti-Christ, can't be any middle ground.
EA is a crummy company that releases buggy games, same day pay DLC, and provides horrible customer service. That that's true is reflected by the annual survey I linked to, a survey which, despite your dismissal, draws international attention from financial news services every year, not just the past two years with EA. The fact that EA has POed so many people that they'd go out of their way to stuff the ballot box of a major annual online poll certainly doesn't mean they're doing a good job, does it?
And people like you are why EA survives despite giving horrible customer service, treating their employees like garbage, and not responding to customer complaints. You like some of their games, so you feel the need to defend their horrible business practices. I like the low prices at Wal-Mart, but that doesn't make them suddenly not one of the worst employers to work for in the world.
As you yourself admitted, EA's financials are bad. Nowhere did I say they were 'apocalyptic'. Again, this is an internet message board, so no nuance allowed. EA has to be either the Second Coming or the Anti-Christ, can't be any middle ground.
EA is a crummy company that releases buggy games, same day pay DLC, and provides horrible customer service. That that's true is reflected by the annual survey I linked to, a survey which, despite your dismissal, draws international attention from financial news services every year, not just the past two years with EA. The fact that EA has POed so many people that they'd go out of their way to stuff the ballot box of a major annual online poll certainly doesn't mean they're doing a good job, does it?
Firstly, did you actually bother to read any of what I responded with? Or are you just hell bent on grinding an axe with a company whose service you don't like while other companies are repeatedly committing major criminal actions that are actively ruining peoples' lives, and in some cases are even directly responsible for the deaths of multiple individuals?
Secondly, you're effectively admitting that the entire survey is fundamentally flawed, yet you're still trying to use it as ammunition that somehow EA is (as you put it) the Anti-Christ. You don't get to have it both ways.
Finally, I'm defending nothing. EA has problems that it sorely needs to rectify. But those problems in no way shape or form equate to them being the baby-eating avatar of evil and malice that you're constantly making them out to be.
So stop your pissiness about EA corporate, and actually look at who is going to be building things with the Star Wars license: developers who have proven that they can create deep, fun and enjoyable titles in a fairly large spectrum of IPs. If you can't find a cause for celebration in the fact that the SW IP will live on in video game form in the hands of people who can actually make good use of it...I don't know what else to say.
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Since EA has, for two years running now, been voted worst corporation in America, I can't see how it would be a good thing. Not worst gaming company. And not voted that by gamers. EA was, for two years, out of every corporation in the United States, voted to be the absolute worst in terms of customer service, quality of products, treatment of employees, etc. by the general public.
Bank of America, that helped wreck the U.S. economy and has been sued by the U.S. government for wrongly foreclosing on peoples' houses was #2, after EA. That's how bad EA is.
I'm not saying I don't believe you; I do believe you. I have no reason not to.
But just out of curiosity, who made this list and who participated in the vote? That sounds crazy to me. I mean, I'm not saying EA is a great company, but there are some truly monstrous companies out there... companies that are far worse than a gaming company could ever be on its worst day. Companies that cause death and massive destruction.
Again, I'm not saying I don't believe you. I totally believe you. I'm just shocked that anybody would rank a gaming company as worse than companies that use sweat shops, destroy environments, and actively cause the deaths of people and animals.
EA Can't be any worse than LucasArts has been at making Star Wars based games. I've always been amazed at how something which is so obviously can't miss can be so consistently mishandled.
Link HERE. EA is the first company to win two years in a row. Past winners include: Comcast, AIG, BP, Halliburton, RIAA, and Countrywide Mortgage.
I just Googled "Worst company in America 2013" and every single hit on the first page said it was EA.
I just find that staggering. I think the company that held the poll (The Consumerist) must have a very specific group of readers.
At least I hope so. Otherwise, I'd say we really need to sort our priorities in this country.
When the results came out, it was funny hearing the financial media trying to report on the story, because while they knew a lot about #2, 3 and 4 on the poll (Bank of America, Comcast, and Ticketmaster), they knew nothing about video games, and couldn't really explain what EA's problem was.
personally i know EA is a ****ty company for costumers and employes...but the true nature of the company being on top of that list is the peer group.
If you think a single internet poll from a niche site based on limited options (go look at the starting field, and some of the companies that werent even put there despite some of the **** they pulled last year) is a representative sample of what the entire US population thinks, I've got multiple bridges to sell you.
Clearly not foreclosing on military families while they are deployed, rampant pollution or worker exploitation, selling dangerously defective products, or bringing the world economy to the brink of collapse.
But god forbid somebody makes a video game that does something someone doesn't like...
Now on to the OP's query:
It's a good thing. There were only two publishers that realistically had a chance to secure a deal like this, EA or Activision. In addition, there are only about half a dozen dev houses in the world that could actually do a solid SW title. Three of them are under EA's umbrella. And those three are the ones that EA tapped to work on the license.
I'm not EA's biggest fan, but the amount of rage coming out because of this announcement, given the potential it has to yield incredible SW titles, is completely absurd.
Since it made international financial news, and EA has been issuing multiple press releases to try to do damage control, and has slammed EA's financials pretty severely, I wouldn't say its nothing.
But this is an internet message board, right? So we can't have any nuance. Either I think it 'speaks for everyone and everything' or its completely irrelevant, I suppose.
Firstly, you're trying to prop up a poll that didn't even try to keep an individual from voting more than once. It's a venue for people to grind their axes, not anything resembling a valid statistical snapshot of public views.
Secondly, people like you are precisely the reason EA has to run DC when something like this happens. Because you don't actually think to look at what the poll looks at, how the poll is structured, or whether the poll is even a legitimate snapshot of what it claims to be. So instead of using your brain, you're letting the internet tell you what to think.
Thirdly, go ahead and look at EA's financial statements instead of relying on a talking head to tell you what to think. They're far from spectacular, but the corporation isn't imploding like you seem to be implying.
Bottom line: EA has its issues, but they pale in comparison to the things (including fraud, market manipulation, environmental regulatory noncompliance and a host of other *criminal* actions) taken by companies on (and off) the list you keep bringing up.
And none of the above is going to have any bearing on the potential of BioWare, Dice or Visceral to put out kick TRIBBLE SW titles in the coming years.
And then i was no this is not possible.
(dramatic flashback) CnC generals
Need for speed Underground 2.
The goldend days are over EA.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Parallels: my second mission for Fed aligned Romulans.
Trust me, there are people on other game forums right now talking about how "crappy" Cryptic is just as people here are talking about how "crappy" EA is. The important thing with any game, from any company, is just to play it and have fun. When it stops being fun go and play something else.
I have played at least 150 different MMOs over the years, from dozens of different companies. There's no such thing as a perfect game. There's no such thing as a perfect game company. You can love a game/company with unbridled passion today and hate it with equal fury a month from now.
BUT...................
You can argue UO was never the same again. Plus the fact EA killed UO2 and Ultima X, blaming the fan bace, the marketing or whatever it was. But they still never happened.
What's the point? mainly just this. EA has it's good side at times, but can and does make bad choices when it comes to the gaming world. A more cureent example:
Simcity - Great looking game, but..........who's idea was it to show gifting moving from one city to the next? I lost over 2 million dollars. But hey it's a bug in the game they need to fix. Sometimes you get your gift, and sometimes you don't
EA with the SW brand 100% given to them? I don't know. Might be a bad thing, if I base this off what I seen in Simcity, but Simcity in an online game play, maybe they will do better with a stand alone game, without online play. We will see what comes of this.
Firstly: Origin
Secondly: EA is still actively supporting UO. Perhaps not as much as say, SOE does with EQ, but it's still up and running,. and it still gets content additions now and then.
You really need to stop treating EA as a singular hive minded entity. SimCity was cooked up by Maxis. Maxis is not one of the dev houses (Visceral, BioWare, DICE) that are crafting games based on the licensing deal with Disney.
And frankly, given some of the details that have sprung up regarding Sims4 in light of the SimCity fiasco, it's pretty clear Maxis are at least pretending to pay attention to the torches and pitchforks.
Squeenix really falls into this category.
Anyway, EA is still the point guys with anything with their name on it, and I wish it was a hive mind, at least you wouldn't get the run-a-round, and get a ton of excuses into why it's not working properly.
BTW I think I did point out UO is still up and running, but it's only a shadow of it's former self.
Dead Space 3, and TOR would disagree, but yeah SQUARE is infamous for it.
You've completely missed the point.
And people like you are why EA survives despite giving horrible customer service, treating their employees like garbage, and not responding to customer complaints. You like some of their games, so you feel the need to defend their horrible business practices. I like the low prices at Wal-Mart, but that doesn't make them suddenly not one of the worst employers to work for in the world.
As you yourself admitted, EA's financials are bad. Nowhere did I say they were 'apocalyptic'. Again, this is an internet message board, so no nuance allowed. EA has to be either the Second Coming or the Anti-Christ, can't be any middle ground.
EA is a crummy company that releases buggy games, same day pay DLC, and provides horrible customer service. That that's true is reflected by the annual survey I linked to, a survey which, despite your dismissal, draws international attention from financial news services every year, not just the past two years with EA. The fact that EA has POed so many people that they'd go out of their way to stuff the ballot box of a major annual online poll certainly doesn't mean they're doing a good job, does it?
Firstly, did you actually bother to read any of what I responded with? Or are you just hell bent on grinding an axe with a company whose service you don't like while other companies are repeatedly committing major criminal actions that are actively ruining peoples' lives, and in some cases are even directly responsible for the deaths of multiple individuals?
Secondly, you're effectively admitting that the entire survey is fundamentally flawed, yet you're still trying to use it as ammunition that somehow EA is (as you put it) the Anti-Christ. You don't get to have it both ways.
Finally, I'm defending nothing. EA has problems that it sorely needs to rectify. But those problems in no way shape or form equate to them being the baby-eating avatar of evil and malice that you're constantly making them out to be.
http://24.media.tumblr.com/70b1b2468104be6eb2c9ae7a83de99cb/tumblr_ml03oidbqj1rwnp75o1_400.jpg
So stop your pissiness about EA corporate, and actually look at who is going to be building things with the Star Wars license: developers who have proven that they can create deep, fun and enjoyable titles in a fairly large spectrum of IPs. If you can't find a cause for celebration in the fact that the SW IP will live on in video game form in the hands of people who can actually make good use of it...I don't know what else to say.
I thought Bank of America was voted that in 2012?