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sarek93
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I am re-posting this here because I feel that this rant deserves its own thread since it deals with a major aspect of the game:
I am really disappointed that whenever ship changes hit, the same old conversation and whining starts up. It's always: "It won't be able to do enough DPS;" "Make this ship able to do more DPS;" "DPS is the only thing that matters so beef up X ship's DPS capabilities."
NEVER do I see the conversation starting with "This isn't a good DPS ship, so make changes to the game to make non-DPS ships worth something." Saying we need ships to do more DPS just perpetuates the problem of this game only rewarding DPS by creating a vicious cycle in which there is a race to the top to see who can do more DPS which inevitably creates more players who will create a vicious backlash if/when devs try to make the game more balanced which in turn makes the devs unwilling/unable to implement those changes.
We need to change the discourse of this community from one of "Give me MOAR DPS!!!!" to "Make end game in this game about more than DPS/escorts!" Force this to be a priority for the devs. As many great economists have said, DIVERSIFY! Bring that golden triangle of MMO's back! Reward players who tank and heal! There should be a reason to fly tanks that can't pull large amounts of DPS!
I am really disappointed that whenever ship changes hit, the same old conversation and whining starts up. It's always: "It won't be able to do enough DPS;" "Make this ship able to do more DPS;" "DPS is the only thing that matters so beef up X ship's DPS capabilities."
NEVER do I see the conversation starting with "This isn't a good DPS ship, so make changes to the game to make non-DPS ships worth something." Saying we need ships to do more DPS just perpetuates the problem of this game only rewarding DPS by creating a vicious cycle in which there is a race to the top to see who can do more DPS which inevitably creates more players who will create a vicious backlash if/when devs try to make the game more balanced which in turn makes the devs unwilling/unable to implement those changes.
We need to change the discourse of this community from one of "Give me MOAR DPS!!!!" to "Make end game in this game about more than DPS/escorts!" Force this to be a priority for the devs. As many great economists have said, DIVERSIFY! Bring that golden triangle of MMO's back! Reward players who tank and heal! There should be a reason to fly tanks that can't pull large amounts of DPS!
"Insufficient facts always invite danger." - Spock
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This game has become DPS centric, there is absolutley no way for that to be fixed now, its cryptics own design which has made the game go down this road. I'm a cruiser TAC captain, i know my old fleet excelsior wont be able to out DPS some of the escort pilots who are "in the know" but ive seen my Excelsior bresak into the 6 or 7k DPS with its current cannon build...and outlast a lot of glass hull average escort pilots.
The problem is, when it comes to tanking, ive seen escorts being literally wailed on by 5 other ships in pvp...and it took a LONG time for that escort to fold up and blow.
A good "in the know" escort captain can make an escort ship be a tank and a DPS monster... hence why this game has become known as Star Trek: In Name Only or Star Trek: Escorts Online for a while now.
1. Make ESTF's more raid like where you need all three prongs of the golden triangle to run them.
2. Increase the respawn timer to like 2 minutes in ESTF's, etc. This would reward survivability and even out DPS. People who can do burst damage but have glass cannons will get in their large damage but be mitigated by the fact that they probably couldn't sustain it over long times (or add lesser damage in between bursts) as they get blown up/have to leave to heal up. Tanks might do less damage, but would be able to stick it out and get in more damage, so their DPS would probably be more equivalent to escorts than they are now. And for teams, it would make having a healer nice to prevent glass cannons from blowing up.
3. Give cruisers something extra like how the escorts get the ability to equip cannons (yes, a few cruisers can do this too) and sci ships get sensor analysis and target subsystems abilities. What is the equivalent for cruisers? Nothing (maybe hull/crew amount but as you say, some escorts can get pretty close to the survivability of tanks if they do it right). Some suggestions: space armor that beefs up hp and crew; paladin like powers that can buff DPS/heals/etc. for ally ships within a certain range of the cruiser.
4. Give engineers more offensive capabilities.
Most of these are geared towards engineers/crusiers, but I see that as the main weakness right now. Sci captains are good with carriers because they generally need lots of power to aux anyway; they also get photonic fleet and a host of offensive/debuff/healing abilities. Tac captains get lots of DPS enhancing powers. Engineers get what? The ability to have boosted power levels every 2 minutes or so (and miracle worker... which doesn't help anybody but the engineer). I play an engineer and I wish I had some better tools powers in space (on the ground, engineers are beasts with all their turrets).
escort: NERF DPS or lower armor (again)
cruiser: higher DPS (to be on par with low level escorts)
science: higher armor and DPS
But they seem to be obsessed with tiny weak ships that are supposed to be GLASS being indestructible death dealers.... its star trek, balance, go cannon or sell the rights to someone who will.
Remove the holy trinity.
So... if you're eradicating the trinity roles of tank/damage/healer, what roles were you thinking they'd use, and how would you make them relevant? The trinity is already out of this game, as the necessary roles are DPS/DPS/DPS... if you aren't doing a metric buttload of damage, you're not doing everything that you could be to help your team.
Joined January 2010.
In regard to hating Star Trek 2009:
I'm sure Cryptic (and every other game developer) never thought of that! :eek:
I always thought they wanted to make it has horrible as possible.
So what normally happens when people gravitate to the same things in the tree? Merge them with the less used abilities and then later on make them trainable without having to select them in a tree. yeah, Sci can use some more Tac stuff and Tacs can use more utility from Sci. So yeah, there should be cross training so everyone can do everything as well as DPS.
So you change it, remove cooldowns from most heals and have enemies do much higher sustained dps. Great. Except pvp is completely ruined because every dps character can heal as well as every tank.
The holy trinity doesn't work in games where EVERYONE can heal as well as everyone else.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
This is Cryptic, it's clear nobody knows what goes through their heads. They could very well be trying to make it awful as possible! XD They nerf a lot of things that just don't nerfed half the time.
What Cryptic should consider before releasing anything.
I like that. Would support it, if it happened.
Someone mentioned an extra ability for cruisers is needed. An innate passive threat generation would fit the bill.
I would also like a range advantage for cruiser beams, a weapon no other ship has access.
A cruiser heavy beam would have a range of up to 15km and be really powerful with a 25% damage boost at point blank.
Why not just add Tac captains are now limited to Escorts? Why not just say Tac captains have to fire all of their Engineer and Sci BOs? All BOs would need a huge buff to offset this "idea", but really, this is not a good suggestion. Move away from the trinity, not toward it.
Also, yeah it is cheesy quoting yourself.