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There needs to be Four Fleet BOPs.

davidwforddavidwford Member Posts: 1,836 Arc User
edited April 2013 in Klingon Discussion
The major difference would be in the console layouts, but tweaking the balance of shields, hull, crew, and maneuverability could further differentiate the ships.

These are the console layouts:

4 Tactical, 3 Engineer, 3 Science (currently the Hoh'SuS)

3 Tactical, 4 Engineer, 3 Science (currently the Fleet B'Rel)

3 Tactical, 3 Engineer, 4 Science- This one should also be equipped with the sensor analysis ability that the Odyssey Science Cruiser and Bortasqu' Command Cruiser have. I recommend the Fleet Qul'Dun Refit have this layout.

4 Tactical, 4 Engineer, 2 Science- This is what the Fleet Norgh/Ning'tao Refit should have.

Other layouts also came to mind as I was pondering:

5 Tactical, 4 Engineer, 1 Science
4 Tactical, 5 Engineer, 1 Science
3 Tactical, 5 Engineer, 2 Science
4 Tactical, 2 Engineer, 4 Science


Suffice to say, there are many different arrangements that could be made to appeal to the varied player preferences. Also, there is no reason NOT to have every BOP skin useable at Tier 5
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  • mandoknight89mandoknight89 Member Posts: 1,687 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Sensor analysis could be potentially too strong on a Bird of Prey, as it would be able to loiter (cloaked!) until it has several stacks of Sensor Analysis, then decloak-alpha with a massive bonus to damage.

    The Fleet Norgh sacrifices the 10th console to upgrade one of its Universal Lt. seats to Universal Lt. Commander.
  • altechachanaltechachan Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    From the Ask Cryptic April 2013:
    Q: (wilbor2) Is there going to be new KDF C-Store store ships when legacy comes out?

    STO Team: Yes! There will be new Tier 1 and Tier 2 Bird-of-Prey refits, each with their own unique costumes and consoles. Additional Klingon C-Store ships are being considered for after launch, as well.

    You know, potentially with these low-tier BoP C-store refits, it'll open the gates for them to have Fleet versions since they would they qualify for the Fleet Module discount.

    Just a thought.
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  • ooiueooiue Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    altechachan wrote: »
    You know, potentially with these low-tier BoP C-store refits, it'll open the gates for them to have Fleet versions since they would they qualify for the Fleet Module discount.

    Just a thought.

    Only T5 ships provide a discount
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  • altechachanaltechachan Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    ooiue wrote: »
    Only T5 ships provide a discount

    Ah, my mistake.
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  • davidwforddavidwford Member Posts: 1,836 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    mandoknight89 wrote: »
    Sensor analysis could be potentially too strong on a Bird of Prey, as it would be able to loiter (cloaked!) until it has several stacks of Sensor Analysis, then decloak-alpha with a massive bonus to damage.

    The Fleet Norgh sacrifices the 10th console to upgrade one of its Universal Lt. seats to Universal Lt. Commander.

    A possible fix to that passive ability is that it does not activate while the ship is cloaked.
  • autumnturningautumnturning Member Posts: 743 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    mandoknight89 wrote: »
    Sensor analysis could be potentially too strong on a Bird of Prey, as it would be able to loiter (cloaked!) until it has several stacks of Sensor Analysis, then decloak-alpha with a massive bonus to damage.

    Uh ... this sounds me *EXACTLY* how the ability ought to be used ... as an "assassin strike" from the shadows. This is totally a "stalk then surprise" sort of tactic strategy that makes sense militarily, particularly on ships with cloaking devices(!), even if it makes Tactical captains in Escorts weep enough tears to float their own ships (which, quite simply, should be the point).

    Besides, there's built in limitation to keep this from being "too easy" ... which is the time delay needed to let the ability build up, during which you can't change targets (meaning you can't do things like play Hidden Healboat while Sensor Analysis is charging up). The time span necessary to max out the bonus of Sensor Analysis "isn't exactly free" in terms of situational costs, since it basically involves a "deferral" of DPS that could be getting done NOW for an improved (surprise) Spike Damage later on in the future. Or to put it another way ... hold your fire "now" so as to do greater damage "later" on.

    Corpse Blasting can happen to starship captains too you know ...
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  • dalolorndalolorn Member Posts: 3,655 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    mandoknight89 wrote: »
    Sensor analysis could be potentially too strong on a Bird of Prey, as it would be able to loiter (cloaked!) until it has several stacks of Sensor Analysis, then decloak-alpha with a massive bonus to damage.

    The Fleet Norgh sacrifices the 10th console to upgrade one of its Universal Lt. seats to Universal Lt. Commander.

    It also sacrifices a boatload of hull strength. :P
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  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    altechachan wrote: »
    From the Ask Cryptic April 2013:

    You know, potentially with these low-tier BoP C-store refits, it'll open the gates for them to have Fleet versions since they would they qualify for the Fleet Module discount.

    Just a thought.

    Although they wont be eligible for the discount, I still look very much forward to them because they will bring 2 new KDF consoles ( crossing fingers for some really good ones:) ) and also would be open to fleet versions at a later date. I like to think the KDF will be given the specialization in battlecruisers and raiders as selling points to the faction and would like to see more additions to these lines of ships, especially the raiders.
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  • captainwexlercaptainwexler Member Posts: 60 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    autumnturning wrote: »
    Uh ... this sounds me *EXACTLY* how the ability ought to be used ... as an "assassin strike" from the shadows. This is totally a "stalk then surprise" sort of tactic strategy that makes sense militarily, particularly on ships with cloaking devices(!), even if it makes Tactical captains in Escorts weep enough tears to float their own ships (which, quite simply, should be the point).

    Besides, there's built in limitation to keep this from being "too easy" ... which is the time delay needed to let the ability build up, during which you can't change targets (meaning you can't do things like play Hidden Healboat while Sensor Analysis is charging up). The time span necessary to max out the bonus of Sensor Analysis "isn't exactly free" in terms of situational costs, since it basically involves a "deferral" of DPS that could be getting done NOW for an improved (surprise) Spike Damage later on in the future. Or to put it another way ... hold your fire "now" so as to do greater damage "later" on.

    Corpse Blasting can happen to starship captains too you know ...

    Also, if a captain sits there getting debuffed and is not taking steps to find you, they deserver a de cloaking bird of prey up the tailpipe.
  • mandoknight89mandoknight89 Member Posts: 1,687 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    autumnturning wrote: »
    The time span necessary to max out the bonus of Sensor Analysis "isn't exactly free" in terms of situational costs, since it basically involves a "deferral" of DPS that could be getting done NOW for an improved (surprise) Spike Damage later on in the future. Or to put it another way ... hold your fire "now" so as to do greater damage "later" on.
    I'll gladly trade in 300k damage that doesn't lead to a kill for 50k that does. The PvP meta is already heavily spike-centered, it doesn't need a Sensor Analysis-buffed BoP to become the new ultimate spike killer.
    dalolorn wrote: »
    It also sacrifices a boatload of hull strength. :P
    Not anymore. The Fleet Norgh was (somewhat) recently updated to have the same hull strength as the Fleet Hoh'Sus.
  • xiphenonxiphenon Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    There are enough bird of preys. What KDF need are more raptors. there are currently only 2 of them. But since the Fleet Qin is quite bad, there is virtually only the Somraw.
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  • davidwforddavidwford Member Posts: 1,836 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    captainwexler wrote: »
    Also, if a captain sits there getting debuffed and is not taking steps to find you, they deserver a de cloaking bird of prey up the tailpipe.

    Except that only science officers can see cloaked ships. Unless you have the console from the Tier 2 Exeter. Even then, if the cloaked player has maxed out the ship stealth skill and has the consoles that boost this further, it is darn near impossible for even the sci officer to see the cloaked ship.
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