Three things need to be changed for the storyline's integrity to hold (solutions to the problems are in red):
1. Previous history has indicated that D'Tan's group only discovered New Romulus after Sela was kidnapped by the Iconians. D'Tan's group broke away in the chaos that Sela's departure left behind. With this progression of missions, the Reman rebellion (and Sela's abduction) occur after New Romulus is discovered. The solution is easy: move the Reman Rebellion missions in before the mission when you discover New Romulus. The justification for visiting the Vault could be as simple as thinking (due to the energy signatures coming from it) that there might be refugees there. Then find Obisek, ally with him (you've already helped his soldiers after all) and wa-la. Oh yeah, and don't have Sela appear at the conference.
2. I am not opposed to the "ally" concept, but the story never provided a legitimate reason for needing the alliance in the first place. At least have something like Ja'rod approaching you asking you to take honorary membership to the house of Duras, and the Fed ambassador offering an honorary membership to the Federation diplomatic corps. Your character, knowing he/she could not devote themself to both, has to make the defining choice.
3. Sela has been stated in the past as not being the most friendly to the Tal Shiar. Make it clear that, while Sela and the Tal Shiar are theoretically allies, and that they need each other's support, they don't like each other.
2. I am not opposed to the "ally" concept, but the story never provided a legitimate reason for needing the alliance in the first place. At least have something like Ja'rod approaching you asking you to take honorary membership to the house of Duras, and the Fed ambassador offering an honorary membership to the Federation diplomatic corps. Your character, knowing he/she could not devote themself to both, has to make the defining choice.
D'Tan made it pretty clear why the alliances are needed, the rest is pretty much game mechanics.
3. Sela has been stated in the past as not being the most friendly to the Tal Shiar. Make it clear that, while Sela and the Tal Shiar are theoretically allies, and that they need each other's support, they don't like each other.
You actually fell for that? That was just a ploy to get their best friend Sela off Romulus before they blew it up.:P
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1. it would not make any sense in moving the FE so early since Hakeeve dies, and Sela vanishes would make no sense when we see them again when we fight the Mini Narada, and you backstabed the Remen for Sela, and when Hakeeve and Sela brainwash you.
1. Previous history has indicated that D'Tan's group only discovered New Romulus after Sela was kidnapped by the Iconians. D'Tan's group broke away in the chaos that Sela's departure left behind. With this progression of missions, the Reman rebellion (and Sela's abduction) occur after New Romulus is discovered. The solution is easy: move the Reman Rebellion missions in before the mission when you discover New Romulus. The justification for visiting the Vault could be as simple as thinking (due to the energy signatures coming from it) that there might be refugees there. Then find Obisek, ally with him (you've already helped his soldiers after all) and wa-la. Oh yeah, and don't have Sela appear at the conference.
There was never a specific timeline given in the Season 7 Dev Blogs, there was and is an implied timeline, but never any specific moment given for when New Romulus was founded.
2. I am not opposed to the "ally" concept, but the story never provided a legitimate reason for needing the alliance in the first place. At least have something like Ja'rod approaching you asking you to take honorary membership to the house of Duras, and the Fed ambassador offering an honorary membership to the Federation diplomatic corps. Your character, knowing he/she could not devote themself to both, has to make the defining choice.
I admit that in my opinion the choice should have come after the next arc where you discover the levels to which the Tal'Shiar will stoop to destroy what D-Tan is attempting to build, but still D-Tan makes his reasons for the alliance with both the Federation and the Klingons clear, you're acting as a representative for the Romulan Republic within the faction you ally with.
3. Sela has been stated in the past as not being the most friendly to the Tal Shiar. Make it clear that, while Sela and the Tal Shiar are theoretically allies, and that they need each other's support, they don't like each other.
Why would Sela and the Tal'Shiar want to make this knowledge clear? The Tal'Shiar feel that Sela will be easy to manipulate and Sela needs the Tal'Shiar to legitimize her claim to be the Empress. If they let the knowledge of the fact their alliance is less stable than a house of cards on a windy day be easy for an outsider to discover then it'll collapse before either of them is ready to make their move.
Yes, Sela has been a enemy of the Tal Shiar in the past. They were directly responsible for her downfall and exile (they were gonna execute her but Donatra stepped in).
Stands to reason that when she came back and took power again, she probably would have purged her enemies from the ranks of the Tal Shiar, the Senate, the Military and everywhere else and put people loyal to her in their place. That's what I'd do
That's not written anywhere, but it would explain why she's in control of the Tal Shiar now.
While the general idea of the alliances is to trade technology for security (Mol'Rihan sits in some shaky territory), I'm with the OP in the sense that we're never given a meaningful explanation as to why we can only work with one of our allies.
It could be explained as a side-effect of allying yourself with parties that are currently at war with each other. In this case, it would be an agreement imposed by the FED and KDF that stipulates only a certain percentage of Romulan influence could be 'borrowed' by each faction at a time so as to prevent either the KDF or FED from benefiting more than the other. Such an agreement would also limit the possibility that FED intel could be leaked to the Klingons or vice versa.
While the general idea of the alliances is to trade technology for security (Mol'Rihan sits in some shaky territory), I'm with the OP in the sense that we're never given a meaningful explanation as to why we can only work with one of our allies.
It could be explained as a side-effect of allying yourself with parties that are currently at war with each other. In this case, it would be an agreement imposed by the FED and KDF that stipulates only a certain percentage of Romulan influence could be 'borrowed' by each faction at a time so as to prevent either the KDF or FED from benefiting more than the other. Such an agreement would also limit the possibility that FED intel could be leaked to the Klingons or vice versa.
Still, it feels awkward--too contrived.
And suddenly I feel like Berlin in the early 1950's.
Edit: This is the behavior of a conquered or subservient people, not equals. The Romulans must base their actions off of the war that two other factions are fighting.
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Originally Posted by d3cubed
1. Previous history has indicated that D'Tan's group only discovered New Romulus after Sela was kidnapped by the Iconians. D'Tan's group broke away in the chaos that Sela's departure left behind. With this progression of missions, the Reman rebellion (and Sela's abduction) occur after New Romulus is discovered. The solution is easy: move the Reman Rebellion missions in before the mission when you discover New Romulus. The justification for visiting the Vault could be as simple as thinking (due to the energy signatures coming from it) that there might be refugees there. Then find Obisek, ally with him (you've already helped his soldiers after all) and wa-la. Oh yeah, and don't have Sela appear at the conference.
There was never a specific timeline given in the Season 7 Dev Blogs, there was and is an implied timeline, but never any specific moment given for when New Romulus was founded.
Yes actually there is a timeline. if you watch just the first video log on new Romulus after hitting tier 1 Romulan reputation. The video is of a Tal'Shiar Operative Khiana beams in to speak with D'tan in his office and she clearly states after Colonial Hakeev was killed and the dissaperance of Sela her organization was at loose ends before she beams off. this video clearly puts the New Romulus events as taking place after the Reman story arc.
as romulans why do we even NEED the rep system to get romulan weapons
I think the rom rep system should be dropped for romulans and in its place have a fed/klink rep system .
Thus if your a rom allying with the feds you have a fed rep system to get fed equip
as a rom allied to the KDF you have a KDF rep system to get KDF equip
this would make more sense then roms having to use a rom rep system to get rom weapons
I agree with this in general, but what would the rewards be? Its not like the Kdf or the Feds have super special equipment that would make the grind worth it. How would we get the romulan stuff then? Would it just be added to the special dilithium tab for Romulan players and maybe cost a little more then it would for Feds or Kdf?
The alliance is needed because the romulans have nothing better to do, I mean their planet blows up along with the nightclubs and party zones so what else are they gonna have going on a Friday night
Retcons happen. Comic fans the world over have long since come to understand this simple concept. Trek fans? You'd think they don't even know what "Retcon" means (and many probably don't).
I honestly prefer it this way. It's a retcon done right. and it adds to the overall story for Romulan players.
Besides, the various Trek series are hardly what I'd call shining examples of continuity.
Retcons happen. Comic fans the world over have long since come to understand this simple concept. Trek fans? You'd think they don't even know what "Retcon" means (and many probably don't).
Of course we know what it means. It's "Klingon foreheads up to Trials and Tribble-ations".:D
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"Alliance" doesn't really fit here. Feds and KDF are at war; the Republic can't really be "allied" to both.
I think the story should stress that the Republic needs to be on good terms with both, and it is attaching you to your chosen side as an auxiliary to earn good will. This has some historical precedent.
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D'Tan made it pretty clear why the alliances are needed, the rest is pretty much game mechanics.
You actually fell for that? That was just a ploy to get their best friend Sela off Romulus before they blew it up.:P
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We freed the Remans so someone has to do the jobs no Romulan would.
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Let me specify: I know why the alliances are needed, but I don't see why we have to choose one ally over the other.
And Romulus already blew up. LONG before the events of this story.
There was never a specific timeline given in the Season 7 Dev Blogs, there was and is an implied timeline, but never any specific moment given for when New Romulus was founded.
I admit that in my opinion the choice should have come after the next arc where you discover the levels to which the Tal'Shiar will stoop to destroy what D-Tan is attempting to build, but still D-Tan makes his reasons for the alliance with both the Federation and the Klingons clear, you're acting as a representative for the Romulan Republic within the faction you ally with.
Why would Sela and the Tal'Shiar want to make this knowledge clear? The Tal'Shiar feel that Sela will be easy to manipulate and Sela needs the Tal'Shiar to legitimize her claim to be the Empress. If they let the knowledge of the fact their alliance is less stable than a house of cards on a windy day be easy for an outsider to discover then it'll collapse before either of them is ready to make their move.
Stands to reason that when she came back and took power again, she probably would have purged her enemies from the ranks of the Tal Shiar, the Senate, the Military and everywhere else and put people loyal to her in their place. That's what I'd do
That's not written anywhere, but it would explain why she's in control of the Tal Shiar now.
This is all post-Romulus blowing up.
It could be explained as a side-effect of allying yourself with parties that are currently at war with each other. In this case, it would be an agreement imposed by the FED and KDF that stipulates only a certain percentage of Romulan influence could be 'borrowed' by each faction at a time so as to prevent either the KDF or FED from benefiting more than the other. Such an agreement would also limit the possibility that FED intel could be leaked to the Klingons or vice versa.
Still, it feels awkward--too contrived.
And suddenly I feel like Berlin in the early 1950's.
Edit: This is the behavior of a conquered or subservient people, not equals. The Romulans must base their actions off of the war that two other factions are fighting.
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Originally Posted by d3cubed
1. Previous history has indicated that D'Tan's group only discovered New Romulus after Sela was kidnapped by the Iconians. D'Tan's group broke away in the chaos that Sela's departure left behind. With this progression of missions, the Reman rebellion (and Sela's abduction) occur after New Romulus is discovered. The solution is easy: move the Reman Rebellion missions in before the mission when you discover New Romulus. The justification for visiting the Vault could be as simple as thinking (due to the energy signatures coming from it) that there might be refugees there. Then find Obisek, ally with him (you've already helped his soldiers after all) and wa-la. Oh yeah, and don't have Sela appear at the conference.
There was never a specific timeline given in the Season 7 Dev Blogs, there was and is an implied timeline, but never any specific moment given for when New Romulus was founded.
Yes actually there is a timeline. if you watch just the first video log on new Romulus after hitting tier 1 Romulan reputation. The video is of a Tal'Shiar Operative Khiana beams in to speak with D'tan in his office and she clearly states after Colonial Hakeev was killed and the dissaperance of Sela her organization was at loose ends before she beams off. this video clearly puts the New Romulus events as taking place after the Reman story arc.
as romulans why do we even NEED the rep system to get romulan weapons
I think the rom rep system should be dropped for romulans and in its place have a fed/klink rep system .
Thus if your a rom allying with the feds you have a fed rep system to get fed equip
as a rom allied to the KDF you have a KDF rep system to get KDF equip
this would make more sense then roms having to use a rom rep system to get rom weapons
I agree with this in general, but what would the rewards be? Its not like the Kdf or the Feds have super special equipment that would make the grind worth it. How would we get the romulan stuff then? Would it just be added to the special dilithium tab for Romulan players and maybe cost a little more then it would for Feds or Kdf?
I honestly prefer it this way. It's a retcon done right. and it adds to the overall story for Romulan players.
Besides, the various Trek series are hardly what I'd call shining examples of continuity.
Of course we know what it means. It's "Klingon foreheads up to Trials and Tribble-ations".:D
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I think the story should stress that the Republic needs to be on good terms with both, and it is attaching you to your chosen side as an auxiliary to earn good will. This has some historical precedent.
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