There was already a thread on this so expect this thread to get mysteriously merged and disappear.
As I pointed out in the other thread no other carrier has its frigate type pets locked out unless you have an additional item or ship. All others you get the frigate pets (if it has one) by virtue of having the carrier. Do you honestly believe it was a coincidence that a few weeks after the dominion lockbox came out there was a small chance to grab the JHAS again? I would love to know how much Cryptic made on that shameful stunt.
You want JHAS pets without peeing off the 1337ists (as those people consider themselves) then make a lobi store item of 100-200 lobi. This item unlocks JHAS pets for your entire account. Those with a JHAS will have no need to grab it unless they want the pets on other toons. Those without still have to pay but it's a reduced cost than getting a fantastic ship that will sadly sit unused.
Oh and I still don't condone what they have done, I'm just trying to suggest a solution to appease both sides. Though a lot of the JHAS owners will still rage.
There was already a thread on this so expect this thread to get mysteriously merged and disappear.
As I pointed out in the other thread no other carrier has its frigate type pets locked out unless you have an additional item or ship. All others you get the frigate pets (if it has one) by virtue of having the carrier. Do you honestly believe it was a coincidence that a few weeks after the dominion lockbox came out there was a small chance to grab the JHAS again? I would love to know how much Cryptic made on that shameful stunt.
You want JHAS pets without peeing off the 1337ists (as those people consider themselves) then make a lobi store item of 100-200 lobi. This item unlocks JHAS pets for your entire account. Those with a JHAS will have no need to grab it unless they want the pets on other toons. Those without still have to pay but it's a reduced cost than getting a fantastic ship that will sadly sit unused.
Oh and I still don't condone what they have done, I'm just trying to suggest a solution to appease both sides. Though a lot of the JHAS owners will still rage.
I see no reason to give non-JHAS owners a comparable option. The Dreadnaught was never mis-advertised, and is a fantastic carrier worth every damn penny even without the JHAS pets. I used mine with elite scorpions for months.
If someone bought it without researching it, they are an idiot and deserve to be mocked.
I see no reason to give non-JHAS owners a comparable option. The Dreadnaught was never mis-advertised, and is a fantastic carrier worth every damn penny even without the JHAS pets. I used mine with elite scorpions for months.
If someone bought it without researching it, they are an idiot and deserve to be mocked.
months?
you from the future?
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Xantris you're completely missing the point. No one is saying they were mis-advertised, people are saying they are not happy about a carriers frigates being locked to owning a very rare and expensive to get ship when all other carriers that have frigates get access to them from just owning the carrier.
To simplify: Carrier - frigate - requirement to own frigate.
Vo'quv - Birds of Prey - own the vo'quv
Karfi - Fer'Jai frigates - own the Karfi
Recluse - mesh weavers - own the Recluse
Jem Dreadnought - JHAS pets - own the Jem Hadar Attack Ship PER TOON (a completely different ship)
Resulting to petty name calling drawn from inaccurate assumptions/conclusions from what other people post is not good conduct on the forums.
Xantris you're completely missing the point. No one is saying they were mis-advertised, people are saying they are not happy about a carriers frigates being locked to owning a very rare and expensive to get ship when all other carriers that have frigates get access to them from just owning the carrier.
To simplify: Carrier - frigate - requirement to own frigate.
Vo'quv - Birds of Prey - own the vo'quv
Karfi - Fer'Jai frigates - own the Karfi
Recluse - mesh weavers - own the Recluse
Jem Dreadnought - JHAS pets - own the Jem Hadar Attack Ship PER TOON (a completely different ship)
Resulting to petty name calling drawn from inaccurate assumptions/conclusions from what other people post is not good conduct on the forums.
No, you are missing the point. They are complaining because they can't get the hangar pets because they don't want to put in the work to get them. They want the best hangar pet in the game for next to nothing, and they are trying to wrap the way other carrier pets are distributed around the Jem'hadar Dreadnaught like that's justification. It's not, nobody says Cryptic has to follow some sort of unwritten ruleset on unique carrier pets. That's the point. That's why the Jem'hadar pets are the best.
Complaining about nonsense is a TRIBBLE poor forum attitude too. I'm sick of this community bawling anytime something isn't handed to them on a silver platter. If you want the JHAS pets, do what the rest of us did and put in the work and get the damn JHAS.
They are complaining because they can't get the hangar pets because they don't want to put in the work to get them. They want the best hangar pet in the game for next to nothing, and they are trying to wrap the way other carrier pets are distributed around the Jem'hadar Dreadnaught like that's justification. It's not, nobody says Cryptic has to follow some sort of unwritten ruleset on unique carrier pets. That's the point.
Complaining about nonsense is a TRIBBLE poor forum attitude too. I'm sick of this community bawling anytime something isn't handed to them on a silver platter.
It is in no way "nonsense". It was a poor decision on cryptic's part, and while it may have brought them some money in the short term I can almost guarantee you it will end up costing them in the long term. There are many people on the fence about whether they should continue their subscription and zen purchases and others like me who had already stopped and are hoping for something that would entice us to spend again because we like this game, and this was anything but. Personally I see no reason to support a company who is that greedy, and I'm definitely not alone on that. Feed the greed and it will come back to bite you when more and more things like this show up.
I'd like to spring for the legacy pack, maybe even a LTS, but I'm not shelling out any more money until I see some business decisions I can agree with. I almost bought a LTS during the last sale but now I'm glad I didn't.
And honestly I could really care less about the Dreadnought, the bugship, or the bugship hangar pet, I don't have them and don't plan on getting them, my only concern is the kind of borderline shady business practice that's going on here and what it could mean for the future of the game if this isn't just a one time "Oops, maybe we shouldn't have done that" thing.
It is in no way "nonsense". It was a poor decision on cryptic's part, and while it may have brought them some money in the short term I can almost guarantee you it will end up costing them in the long term. There are many people on the fence about whether they should continue their subscription and zen purchases and others like me who had already stopped and are hoping for something that would entice us to spend again because we like this game, and this was anything but. Personally I see no reason to support a company who is that greedy, and I'm definitely not alone on that. Feed the greed and it will come back to bite you when more and more things like this show up.
I'd like to spring for the legacy pack, maybe even a LTS, but I'm not shelling out any more money until I see some business decisions I can agree with. I almost bought a LTS during the last sale but now I'm glad I didn't.
And honestly I could really care less about the Dreadnought, the bugship, or the bugship hangar pet, I don't have them and don't plan on getting them, my only concern is the kind of borderline shady business practice that's going on here and what it could mean for the future of the game if this isn't just a one time "Oops, maybe we shouldn't have done that" thing.
Ok bud. I'm sure they're losing money hand over fist on this. :rolleyes:
Im so sick of seeing these threads, there should be a rule added just for this.
If you DO NOT OWN a bug ship you can not have the bug ship hangars... END OF STORY.
Well with an attitude like that we might as well take dilithium and drops out of stfs make the Klingons a pvp only faction again because seriously that is where that attitude will get you. All of those things have been changed because we were willing to fight for it and just like we were with those we will do with this and nay Sayers like you can't stop us.
i wouldnt mind if an ultra rare version was available for those that owned both ships.. but rare and very rare should be available no matter what..
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Well with an attitude like that we might as well take dilithium and drops out of stfs make the Klingons a pvp only faction again because seriously that is where that attitude will get you. All of those things have been changed because we were willing to fight for it and just like we were with those we will do with this and nay Sayers like you can't stop us.
All those things were largely game-affecting features that would hurt either the economy or the game itself by being removed.
A set of novelty frigates is neither of those things.
Well with an attitude like that we might as well take dilithium and drops out of stfs make the Klingons a pvp only faction again because seriously that is where that attitude will get you. All of those things have been changed because we were willing to fight for it and just like we were with those we will do with this and nay Sayers like you can't stop us.
think a lot forget what happen after season 7 they took dill from stf's and other thing's
Well when a ship costs 800 lobi crystals which are only obtainable by spending real cash I would expect to get the frigates with it. Say on average you're a very lucky person and are getting 10 crystals per box (there is a big tally on the wiki that estimates you get 5 per box) that would require 80 keys. 80 keys cost 9000 Zen. Which earns the company ?72.
To reiterate that is a VERY generous estimate of how much each of the 2 lobi store carriers earns for Cryptic. Considering the Karfi is priced at ?21.50 and the vo'quv is free I would say it does entitles both carrier owners to the frigates without any other requirements. As regardless of how you acquired it, they earned Crpytic (or collectively cost the players) three times more than any other carrier.
Yes I know you can earn Zen through the dilithium exchange and buy keys and the carrier itself from the exchange but someone somewhere had to pay for that zen you buy. Someone somewhere bought those keys from the Z-store. You are just changing your time ground products (dilithium and ec) for those paid for items.
Edit: Seriously the forums doesn't have a pound symbol? The question marks before the numbers are Pound signs.
cryptic only made this move couse they are in finacial crisis most likely.
thats the only possible explanation to locking the hangarbays behind 2000 usd worth of a ship.
( if you calc how many lock keys you need to USE or SELL or zen mix and match drop rate of the ship was 0.5% acording to some forum test )
most likely they are so much in debt they needed to do this.
otherwise they are just very bad at what they do.
i really see no logical explanation why the frigates on the dread naught is locked to the attack ship.
other than finacial gain by cryptic. aka GREED
think about it.
800 lobi for the dreadnaught. and you only get HALF the ship.
look at the reclusive 800 lobi you get 100% of the ship and acess to frigates.
all this points to 1 thing GREED or Finacial trouble of cryptic.
i mean for heavens sake there is Farmers selling the jem hadar attack ship on their bloody homepage for real money atm going for 182 euro per ship!!!!
imagine the money they make of that O.o
i really see no other logical possibility why the dreadnaught is locked hangar bays other than money issue or money gain.
wich is surprising consider the new expansion comming up.
and think about it no developer has ever responded to any of these threads yet they have over 140 pages and 41.000 views combined o.o
im kinda neutral to my stance on cryptic as a company sometimes they do good stuff.
some times like these they do horrrrible things to people reallly horrible.
wich puts the people who like the game into horrible position.
stay with their morals and not give them money untill they change their ways
or give them money to sustain the game against their will to make sure the game dont go away.
horrible position at least it is for me.
i kinda like the game sometimes but this is makeing me feel soooo bad.
anyways expansion i hope it goes the right way and its the last of the bad mentality.
i will support the new legacy of romulys with the 125 euro for the legacy pack.
but iam praying you change ur ways regarding such locking of ships.
i may sound very negative but i want the game to succeed but at the same time i need to stand tall on my moral values on whats wrong.
thats why i vocalize myself and hope you hear it.
If only they fix Cloaking bugg *new message BOOM decloacked.
cryptic only made this move couse they are in finacial crisis most likely.
thats the only possible explanation to locking the hangarbays behind 2000 usd worth of a ship.
( if you calc how many lock keys you need to sell )
ok...2000 dollars are approximately 3 billion EC! 1.4 to 1.5 million each key
idk the current prize of a bugger, but it was allways around 400 million EC...and the maximum EVER will be 1 billion since thats the EC cap as i understand it.
i stopped reading your post there, since from there on you lost your legitimaty to me.
ok...2000 dollars are approximately 3 billion EC! 1.4 to 1.5 million each key
idk the current prize of a bugger, but it was allways around 400 million EC...and the maximum EVER will be 1 billion since thats the EC cap as i understand it.
i stopped reading your post there, since from there on you lost your legitimaty to me.
remade the post to SELL OR USE as in zen. 0.5% drop chance stop being so perfect
you get the idea "lots of money"
there are people who spent 200 usd and up to 800 usd and never got the ship.
wich means there is people who spent 2000 usd combined and never got it.
random is random.
If only they fix Cloaking bugg *new message BOOM decloacked.
remade the post to SELL OR USE as in zen. 0.5% drop chance stop being so perfect
you get the idea "lots of money"
there are people who spent 200 usd and up to 800 usd and never got the ship.
wich means there is people who spent 2000 usd combined and never got it.
random is random.
yeah well there is a smart way to do it and there is janeway...those people obviously chose janeway!:D
basically when coming to spend that amount of money on games, i'd rather go with the right way...not the janeway.
ok...2000 dollars are approximately 3 billion EC! 1.4 to 1.5 million each key
idk the current prize of a bugger, but it was allways around 400 million EC...and the maximum EVER will be 1 billion since thats the EC cap as i understand it.
i stopped reading your post there, since from there on you lost your legitimaty to me.
Indeed.
OP, stop whining, and more importantly, stop spreading misinformation.
Like Baudl said, there's a smart way to do it (spend some 300-500 $ on keys to sell for EC, buy bugship from Exchange) and there's a stupid way to do it. (spend 200-20000 $ on whatever doff pack is currently dropping bugships)
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
Like Baudl said, there's a smart way to do it (spend some 300-500 $ on keys to sell for EC, buy bugship from Exchange) and there's a stupid way to do it. (spend 200-20000 $ on whatever doff pack is currently dropping bugships)
there is no missinformation in my post its all explanations to what i think.
and that post was in response to a statement that dstahl made in that post wich aktually has connection to what he was saying.
He said they are learning the ropes on makeing a new expansion in a new market of pc gameing. and i called upon his past mistakes and wondered why he did it if they are new.
aka it aktually made sense to his statement what i posted wich aktually has connection to the system they where talking about.
learn to read. this is how it works in my country and and im voiceing my oppinion fair and square.
they made a mistake or morally wrong judgement call wich ever you wanna pick.
and has made no action to correct it.
that is my fair and honest statement.
and if you cannot deal with 1 person sticking up for his moral values.
and asking 1 simple question to a developer to honestly say why this was done.
and for what moral grounds it was done and decided.
you should not come here and complain.
forum is used to voice an oppinion or feedback or information regarding the aktualy entity of the forum is made for.
and i am voiceing mine now untill i have a statement from cryptic why this was done and why it was so unfairly done.
If only they fix Cloaking bugg *new message BOOM decloacked.
there is no missinformation in my post its all explanations to what i think.
and that post was in response to a statement that dstahl made in that post wich aktually has connection to what he was saying.
He said they are learning the ropes on makeing a new expansion in a new market of pc gameing. and i called upon his past mistakes and wondered why he did it if they are new.
aka it aktually made sense to his statement what i posted wich aktually has connection to the system they where talking about.
learn to read. this is how it works in my country and and im voiceing my oppinion fair and square.
they made a mistake or morally wrong judgement call wich ever you wanna pick.
and has made no action to correct it.
that is my fair and honest statement.
and if you cannot deal with 1 person sticking up for his moral values.
and asking 1 simple question to a developer to honestly say why this was done.
and for what moral grounds it was done and decided.
you should not come here and complain.
forum is used to voice an oppinion or feedback or information regarding the aktualy entity of the forum is made for.
and i am voiceing mine now untill i have a statement from cryptic why this was done and why it was so unfairly done.
You obviously do not understand English enough to realize that his post had NOTHING to do with the bugship issue, except that they're in the same game. Either that or you're tricking yourself into denying it.
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
you said it correctly, your statement is YOUR opinion and YOU find it wrong...that doesn't mean it is right what you are saying nor it is generally true.
Yes his estimate of 2000 dollars was way too much and complete rubbish. However going off current master key prices it would require you to sell 268 master keys.
We'll round that to 270 as it makes calculations easier and you'll be buying the ten packs. That requires 27 of the ten packs. That makes it costing 30,375 Zen. Which is about 250 pounds. Nearly or just over 300 dollars.
If all you want is the pets that is by no stretch of the imagination good value or even worth it. Hell even for a ship that's not worth it.
In the recent promotion the estimated drop rate was 0.5% so we'll assume that we will get it guaranteed on the 200th pack, that's a staggering 55,000 Zen. Even assuming you get it at about half way that's 22,500 Zen which is over 180 pounds! And while you may tote spiel that you can get it with ec, it doesn't divert from the problem that Cryptic made about that much from each JHAS acquired.
The reason I don't like this is because frigates for all other ships are purchasable purely by owning the ship which costs a varying degree of money. This was the only exception because they wanted to extort money from people, it wasn't a reward for owning a rare ship and did not nor should it have been this way going by their track history with carriers.
Ok bud. I'm sure they're losing money hand over fist on this. :rolleyes:
And yes, its still nonsense.
I see you're one of "those" people with reading comprehension issues. That or you've the attention span of a gnat and read the first line then skipped the rest. Either way.
Yes they are indeed losing money from myself and many others because of bad decisions like this. Near 500 USD I haven't spend on this game since I decided I didn't like the way they did business with lockboxes, the lobi store, and moving from account unlocks to per character unlocks for some cstore items. I decided against a LTS, the legacy pack, and a large number of other cstore purchases because I'm not going to support cryptic financially until I see some business decisions I can agree with, and I'm most definitely not alone.
People who say "Just buy an Attack Ship from the Exchange" obviously haven't checked the Exchange lately. JHAS run between 350-400m EC at the moment, which is far out of most players' price range. And since JHAS can no longer be acquired, it is entirely unreasonable to restrict carrier pets for a ship that was bought for 800 Lobi.
People who say "Just buy an Attack Ship from the Exchange" obviously haven't checked the Exchange lately. JHAS run between 350-400m EC at the moment, which is far out of most players' price range. And since JHAS can no longer be acquired, it is entirely unreasonable to restrict carrier pets for a ship that was bought for 800 Lobi.
can i have 400m then?
my guy is not that rich..
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The notion that the jem hadar bug frigates for carriers are "a must have" for the dreadnought is the core of the problem here...they are not. They are simply a bonus for people that already spent hundrets of dollars or simply were lucky to get one.
If you are a dedicated ROLEPLAYER you need to open up your wallet, or grind insane amounts of time.
Other thing is, that 400 million EC is alot...BUT EC is the easiest currency to come by in this game.
You can actually "earn" this money by simply PLAYING this game. People earned this amount of EC before this game wen f2p, by being smart and playing the market.
If you aren't capable to do that...then this content is closed to you...as simple as that. If haven't the skills you can't win, period.
getting 400 million EC the smart way requires thinking...you have to earn it.
No, they were not. They were a ploy to increase demand for the JHAS as they were bringing up a chance to win them again.
Also what makes me think I should be able to buy frigates for my carrier WHICH CRYPTIC HAS MADE MONEY FROM MY ACQUIRING IT?
I'll say it again, all other carriers that have frigates, even the Tholian recluse have their frigates available just by owning the carrier. The Recluse is a direct comparison and it does not require you to own any other ship than the carrier that it is to be used on. That is why we should have been able to get the JHAS pets from day one without this get a JHAS for each character that you want to have them on rubbish.
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As I pointed out in the other thread no other carrier has its frigate type pets locked out unless you have an additional item or ship. All others you get the frigate pets (if it has one) by virtue of having the carrier. Do you honestly believe it was a coincidence that a few weeks after the dominion lockbox came out there was a small chance to grab the JHAS again? I would love to know how much Cryptic made on that shameful stunt.
You want JHAS pets without peeing off the 1337ists (as those people consider themselves) then make a lobi store item of 100-200 lobi. This item unlocks JHAS pets for your entire account. Those with a JHAS will have no need to grab it unless they want the pets on other toons. Those without still have to pay but it's a reduced cost than getting a fantastic ship that will sadly sit unused.
Oh and I still don't condone what they have done, I'm just trying to suggest a solution to appease both sides. Though a lot of the JHAS owners will still rage.
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I see no reason to give non-JHAS owners a comparable option. The Dreadnaught was never mis-advertised, and is a fantastic carrier worth every damn penny even without the JHAS pets. I used mine with elite scorpions for months.
If someone bought it without researching it, they are an idiot and deserve to be mocked.
months?
you from the future?
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To simplify: Carrier - frigate - requirement to own frigate.
Vo'quv - Birds of Prey - own the vo'quv
Karfi - Fer'Jai frigates - own the Karfi
Recluse - mesh weavers - own the Recluse
Jem Dreadnought - JHAS pets - own the Jem Hadar Attack Ship PER TOON (a completely different ship)
Resulting to petty name calling drawn from inaccurate assumptions/conclusions from what other people post is not good conduct on the forums.
It is through repetition that we learn our weakness.
A master with a stone is better than a novice with a sword.
Has damage got out of control?
This is the last thing I will post.
No, you are missing the point. They are complaining because they can't get the hangar pets because they don't want to put in the work to get them. They want the best hangar pet in the game for next to nothing, and they are trying to wrap the way other carrier pets are distributed around the Jem'hadar Dreadnaught like that's justification. It's not, nobody says Cryptic has to follow some sort of unwritten ruleset on unique carrier pets. That's the point. That's why the Jem'hadar pets are the best.
Complaining about nonsense is a TRIBBLE poor forum attitude too. I'm sick of this community bawling anytime something isn't handed to them on a silver platter. If you want the JHAS pets, do what the rest of us did and put in the work and get the damn JHAS.
They've been out for months...
It is in no way "nonsense". It was a poor decision on cryptic's part, and while it may have brought them some money in the short term I can almost guarantee you it will end up costing them in the long term. There are many people on the fence about whether they should continue their subscription and zen purchases and others like me who had already stopped and are hoping for something that would entice us to spend again because we like this game, and this was anything but. Personally I see no reason to support a company who is that greedy, and I'm definitely not alone on that. Feed the greed and it will come back to bite you when more and more things like this show up.
I'd like to spring for the legacy pack, maybe even a LTS, but I'm not shelling out any more money until I see some business decisions I can agree with. I almost bought a LTS during the last sale but now I'm glad I didn't.
And honestly I could really care less about the Dreadnought, the bugship, or the bugship hangar pet, I don't have them and don't plan on getting them, my only concern is the kind of borderline shady business practice that's going on here and what it could mean for the future of the game if this isn't just a one time "Oops, maybe we shouldn't have done that" thing.
Ok bud. I'm sure they're losing money hand over fist on this. :rolleyes:
And yes, its still nonsense.
Im so sick of seeing these threads, there should be a rule added just for this.
If you DO NOT OWN a bug ship you can not have the bug ship hangars... END OF STORY.
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Well with an attitude like that we might as well take dilithium and drops out of stfs make the Klingons a pvp only faction again because seriously that is where that attitude will get you. All of those things have been changed because we were willing to fight for it and just like we were with those we will do with this and nay Sayers like you can't stop us.
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All those things were largely game-affecting features that would hurt either the economy or the game itself by being removed.
A set of novelty frigates is neither of those things.
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Nope. They shouldn't.
think a lot forget what happen after season 7 they took dill from stf's and other thing's
system Lord Baal is dead
To reiterate that is a VERY generous estimate of how much each of the 2 lobi store carriers earns for Cryptic. Considering the Karfi is priced at ?21.50 and the vo'quv is free I would say it does entitles both carrier owners to the frigates without any other requirements. As regardless of how you acquired it, they earned Crpytic (or collectively cost the players) three times more than any other carrier.
Yes I know you can earn Zen through the dilithium exchange and buy keys and the carrier itself from the exchange but someone somewhere had to pay for that zen you buy. Someone somewhere bought those keys from the Z-store. You are just changing your time ground products (dilithium and ec) for those paid for items.
Edit: Seriously the forums doesn't have a pound symbol? The question marks before the numbers are Pound signs.
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thats the only possible explanation to locking the hangarbays behind 2000 usd worth of a ship.
( if you calc how many lock keys you need to USE or SELL or zen mix and match drop rate of the ship was 0.5% acording to some forum test )
most likely they are so much in debt they needed to do this.
otherwise they are just very bad at what they do.
i really see no logical explanation why the frigates on the dread naught is locked to the attack ship.
other than finacial gain by cryptic. aka GREED
think about it.
800 lobi for the dreadnaught. and you only get HALF the ship.
look at the reclusive 800 lobi you get 100% of the ship and acess to frigates.
all this points to 1 thing GREED or Finacial trouble of cryptic.
i mean for heavens sake there is Farmers selling the jem hadar attack ship on their bloody homepage for real money atm going for 182 euro per ship!!!!
imagine the money they make of that O.o
i really see no other logical possibility why the dreadnaught is locked hangar bays other than money issue or money gain.
wich is surprising consider the new expansion comming up.
and think about it no developer has ever responded to any of these threads yet they have over 140 pages and 41.000 views combined o.o
im kinda neutral to my stance on cryptic as a company sometimes they do good stuff.
some times like these they do horrrrible things to people reallly horrible.
wich puts the people who like the game into horrible position.
stay with their morals and not give them money untill they change their ways
or give them money to sustain the game against their will to make sure the game dont go away.
horrible position at least it is for me.
i kinda like the game sometimes but this is makeing me feel soooo bad.
anyways expansion i hope it goes the right way and its the last of the bad mentality.
i will support the new legacy of romulys with the 125 euro for the legacy pack.
but iam praying you change ur ways regarding such locking of ships.
i may sound very negative but i want the game to succeed but at the same time i need to stand tall on my moral values on whats wrong.
thats why i vocalize myself and hope you hear it.
ok...2000 dollars are approximately 3 billion EC! 1.4 to 1.5 million each key
idk the current prize of a bugger, but it was allways around 400 million EC...and the maximum EVER will be 1 billion since thats the EC cap as i understand it.
i stopped reading your post there, since from there on you lost your legitimaty to me.
remade the post to SELL OR USE as in zen. 0.5% drop chance stop being so perfect
you get the idea "lots of money"
there are people who spent 200 usd and up to 800 usd and never got the ship.
wich means there is people who spent 2000 usd combined and never got it.
random is random.
yeah well there is a smart way to do it and there is janeway...those people obviously chose janeway!:D
basically when coming to spend that amount of money on games, i'd rather go with the right way...not the janeway.
Indeed.
OP, stop whining, and more importantly, stop spreading misinformation.
AND FOR CRYING OUT LOUD, DON'T POST THIS IN THREADS THAT HAVE NO CONNECTION TO THE ISSUE!
Edit in response to posts 52 and 53:
Like Baudl said, there's a smart way to do it (spend some 300-500 $ on keys to sell for EC, buy bugship from Exchange) and there's a stupid way to do it. (spend 200-20000 $ on whatever doff pack is currently dropping bugships)
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
there is no missinformation in my post its all explanations to what i think.
and that post was in response to a statement that dstahl made in that post wich aktually has connection to what he was saying.
He said they are learning the ropes on makeing a new expansion in a new market of pc gameing. and i called upon his past mistakes and wondered why he did it if they are new.
aka it aktually made sense to his statement what i posted wich aktually has connection to the system they where talking about.
learn to read. this is how it works in my country and and im voiceing my oppinion fair and square.
they made a mistake or morally wrong judgement call wich ever you wanna pick.
and has made no action to correct it.
that is my fair and honest statement.
and if you cannot deal with 1 person sticking up for his moral values.
and asking 1 simple question to a developer to honestly say why this was done.
and for what moral grounds it was done and decided.
you should not come here and complain.
forum is used to voice an oppinion or feedback or information regarding the aktualy entity of the forum is made for.
and i am voiceing mine now untill i have a statement from cryptic why this was done and why it was so unfairly done.
You obviously do not understand English enough to realize that his post had NOTHING to do with the bugship issue, except that they're in the same game. Either that or you're tricking yourself into denying it.
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
We'll round that to 270 as it makes calculations easier and you'll be buying the ten packs. That requires 27 of the ten packs. That makes it costing 30,375 Zen. Which is about 250 pounds. Nearly or just over 300 dollars.
If all you want is the pets that is by no stretch of the imagination good value or even worth it. Hell even for a ship that's not worth it.
In the recent promotion the estimated drop rate was 0.5% so we'll assume that we will get it guaranteed on the 200th pack, that's a staggering 55,000 Zen. Even assuming you get it at about half way that's 22,500 Zen which is over 180 pounds! And while you may tote spiel that you can get it with ec, it doesn't divert from the problem that Cryptic made about that much from each JHAS acquired.
The reason I don't like this is because frigates for all other ships are purchasable purely by owning the ship which costs a varying degree of money. This was the only exception because they wanted to extort money from people, it wasn't a reward for owning a rare ship and did not nor should it have been this way going by their track history with carriers.
It is through repetition that we learn our weakness.
A master with a stone is better than a novice with a sword.
Has damage got out of control?
This is the last thing I will post.
I see you're one of "those" people with reading comprehension issues. That or you've the attention span of a gnat and read the first line then skipped the rest. Either way.
Yes they are indeed losing money from myself and many others because of bad decisions like this. Near 500 USD I haven't spend on this game since I decided I didn't like the way they did business with lockboxes, the lobi store, and moving from account unlocks to per character unlocks for some cstore items. I decided against a LTS, the legacy pack, and a large number of other cstore purchases because I'm not going to support cryptic financially until I see some business decisions I can agree with, and I'm most definitely not alone.
can i have 400m then?
my guy is not that rich..
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If you are a dedicated ROLEPLAYER you need to open up your wallet, or grind insane amounts of time.
Other thing is, that 400 million EC is alot...BUT EC is the easiest currency to come by in this game.
You can actually "earn" this money by simply PLAYING this game. People earned this amount of EC before this game wen f2p, by being smart and playing the market.
If you aren't capable to do that...then this content is closed to you...as simple as that. If haven't the skills you can't win, period.
getting 400 million EC the smart way requires thinking...you have to earn it.
Also what makes me think I should be able to buy frigates for my carrier WHICH CRYPTIC HAS MADE MONEY FROM MY ACQUIRING IT?
I'll say it again, all other carriers that have frigates, even the Tholian recluse have their frigates available just by owning the carrier. The Recluse is a direct comparison and it does not require you to own any other ship than the carrier that it is to be used on. That is why we should have been able to get the JHAS pets from day one without this get a JHAS for each character that you want to have them on rubbish.
It is through repetition that we learn our weakness.
A master with a stone is better than a novice with a sword.
Has damage got out of control?
This is the last thing I will post.