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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    pegasuscic wrote: »
    I agree with you, mostly, however, the LTS gave you a playable "Liberated borg" of both factions along with the no sub. And I know this is about the Legacy Pack, which is mostly Reman, but LTS should get a corresponding playable Romulan liberated borg, just like Federation(Human) and Klingon. Notice I said "Romulan" not "Reman".
    We'll find out more when the LTS FAQ comes out. Right not one one can play a Liberated Borg in the Rom Faction. I'm sure the LTS FAQ will change that. :)
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • captainrevo1captainrevo1 Member Posts: 3,948 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    looking forward to getting this. i would have bought almost all, if not all of this stuff anyway in the store so a discounted price now is fine. the only thing i dont like is having to spend money on something i cant use for a month, but its a minor complaint.
  • lordagamemnonb5lordagamemnonb5 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    pyryck wrote: »
    Honestly, some lifers NEED some sort of smack upside the head. :(

    Your/Mine/Our lifetime subscription ONLY entitles you/me/us to play STO free from ever having to spend any more funds on a subscription. That is it. :eek:

    If you/me/we want shinies from the C-Store, you/me/we will HAVE to buy them using Zen from purchases, from dilithium exchange or saving up the LTS stipend. :)

    True, but you might feel differently if you've already spen $300 on a LTS, and now have to make a choice as to spend another $120 (or whatever it is).

    Right now, there is really not much of a difference between LTS/Monthly subers and F2Pers. Thre is no incentive to sub. It feels like a massive scam just to get more money.
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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    True, but you might feel differently if you've already spen $300 on a LTS, and now have to make a choice as to spend another $120 (or whatever it is).

    Right now, there is really not much of a difference between LTS/Monthly subers and F2Pers. Thre is no incentive to sub. It feels like a massive scam just to get more money.
    If feels like a massive scam to get a 30% discount on upcoming C-Store items if you buy a bundle? You're not required to have the bundle so how can it feel like a scam?

    You're not required to buy an Odyssey Pack, so it is a scam that they offer a bundle at a discount? The same goes for every bundle in the C-Store.

    The things in the C-Store have no bearing on your subscription status. Never have. Not since Day 1 and the C-Store opened - and back then you couldn't even grind for Cryptic Points. You simply had to buy them.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • pyryckpyryck Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    True, but you might feel differently if you've already spen $300 on a LTS, and now have to make a choice as to spend another $120 (or whatever it is).

    Right now, there is really not much of a difference between LTS/Monthly subers and F2Pers. Thre is no incentive to sub. It feels like a massive scam just to get more money.

    But you see I have been a lifer since the first day they were offered. I've been a whale of a supporter of this game in the 3 years since buying the LTS. I've purchased almost everything from the C-Store. And I've purchased the Legacy Pack for my favorite fRaction.

    It's not a scam as you will receive digital content with which to enhance your digital gaming experience in STO. Cryptic and PWE/PWI are in business to MAKE money, some how, some way. The C-Store and these packs are a way of making money. :)
  • cptvanorcptvanor Member Posts: 274 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    True, but you might feel differently if you've already spen $300 on a LTS

    You're making a rather huge assumption here... Namely that he isn't a LTS. And I see he's posted and points out he is in fact a LTS.
    It feels like a massive scam just to get more money.

    How exactly is offering stuff at a discount a scam? It's not like you are having to buy a bunch of stuff you get for free in the other factions. You still have to buy most of the c-store ships already.
  • stirling191stirling191 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    cptvanor wrote: »
    You still have to buy most of the c-store ships already.

    All of them (VA ship tokens not withstanding) in fact. There's nothing in this bundle that is included in an LTS for KDF or Feds.

    Simply put, if you're a Rommie die-hard who was going to get all their C-Store ships anyway, this is a deal worth looking at.
  • dkeith2011dkeith2011 Member Posts: 595 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I would like some smaller and more specific packs myself.

    One pack for the ships, one for the personnel and one for the extras for example.

    Lower prices and more choices are usually a better way to entice buyers.

    If the one large pack includes a lot of price-pumping items you don't want/need then you're less likely to buy it regardless of the overall savings.

    Given the option, I would have purchased a ships-only bundle almost instantly.
  • bohiapbohiap Member Posts: 535
    edited April 2013
    how is the cloak bugg is it gone from the beta ??
    does the cloak bug affect the missions ?
    do you decloak when you get mission briefings ?

    I haven't really noticed. The only time I've noticed was when I was cloaked and I was supposed to scan something. IIRC I dropped out of cloak when I did it. Basically what would happen during the Romulan radiation scan. But, it was not in a time when I was in combat and I got ticked, like I have on my klingon. I'm wouldn't say it in court, but I'm pretty sure I've gotten several BO interactions while cloaked. I haven't tried being cloaked during a mission briefing.

    I'll have to pay attention when I'm on tonight.
  • sunfranckssunfrancks Member Posts: 3,925 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I bought the starter pack in the end. I would rather pick and choose ships that I will actually fly.

    I already have ships on both the Fed and KDF sides that, I own, but never fly. So this was an easy decision to make.
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  • qjuniorqjunior Member Posts: 2,023 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    sunfrancks wrote: »
    I bought the starter pack in the end. I would rather pick and choose ships that I will actually fly.

    I already have ships on both the Fed and KDF sides that, I own, but never fly. So this was an easy decision to make.

    I bought the Starter Pack too, seems okay...

    Boy, I try not to think about all the ships and special consoles I never use...... :(:o:D
  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99 Member Posts: 7,747 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    anazonda wrote: »
    The only thing that, somehow, bothers me, is the Reman Borg BO.

    Granted, I hope that it will be included into the existing pre-orders (I am speaking as a pre-ordering customer, not LTS right now), but I also know that ain't going to happen.

    The pack does seem nice... But it sucks that I can't afford it.

    The Reman Borg BO will be on the C-Store separately.

    And you can get it in the $20 preorder pack as well, which includes the Romulan equivalent to escorts at two tiers, a title, and the Borg BO.
  • kneeliftkneelift Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Not everyone can have all the things they want, thats how life is.

    That said, I will probably buy it.
  • pegasuscicpegasuscic Member Posts: 157 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    The Reman Borg BO will be on the C-Store separately.

    And you can get it in the $20 preorder pack as well, which includes the Romulan equivalent to escorts at two tiers, a title, and the Borg BO.

    I just wonder if the Reman borg BO will be account wide if bought in the z-store? The current borg BO's are individual now when they used to be account wide. If I do decide to put down money, it will probably be the $20 because, as others have said the ships are nice, but aside from consoles I probably wouldn't use 3/4 of them. Better to spend dil/zen conversion on one I will actually use. Titles don't mean anything to me and if I want the Reman Nemisis outfit that badly I spring for it in the z-store. Same with any duty officer packs.
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  • jexsamxjexsamx Member Posts: 2,797 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    My opinion is that if I hadn't already dropped $300 on an LTS, I could more easily be tempted to drop another $125 on this, since it really is a sweet-looking deal. I'm much more inclined to get the starter pack, since the T1 ship's special console sounds beneficial and I want the complete collection of Lib. Borg BOffs across all three factions, but I still want the stats on that T'Varo.

    But until I know what benefits my LTS is getting me, and moreso what stats those ships have, I can't justify spending any money whatsoever on either of those.

    stats plz
  • sauron90805sauron90805 Member Posts: 28 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Yep, decided on the starter pack as well. I'll c-store purchase ships depending on the class I ultimately decide to level first. The Borg Reman BOF, title and T1 ship and T5 retrofit seem like a good bargain at $20
  • aesirkyraesirkyr Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    dastahl wrote: »
    The Legacy Pack is a disount bundle.

    All of the items (except title and special reman DOFF) will be available after launch in the c-store. So for lifetimers like yourself, you'll be able to spend the stipend on any of these items starting May 21.

    I have been surfing the forums and news articles pertaining to both LoR and the Legacy Pre-order packs. I and several others would like to know if adding steam as a payment option would be possible. Some of us simply do not have a credit or debit card for which we can use to buy these packs but we are able to buy steam money with our cash.

    I personally believe that many more packs would be sold if an option to buy through steam were available.

    If you would at the very least consider adding steam as a payment option that would be wonderful.

    Thanks for any info.
  • reginamala78reginamala78 Member Posts: 4,593 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I'd buy it if it were available in the C-store.
  • drkfrontiersdrkfrontiers Member Posts: 2,477 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Super excited and the Romulans rock!

    I am looking forward to Cryptic adding the Cardassians next, followed by the Dominion and the Ferengi in that order :)
  • trhrangerxmltrhrangerxml Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Took the plunge and bought the big Romulan Pack. Knowing me, I'd buy most of the ships anyways one by one, this way in the long term I save a few bucks. Just an opinion, but people who purchase one of the packs should get access to the closed beta on Tribble.

    EDIT: Also on a personal note, looks like they are putting a lot of good work into the game for this expansion. The UI stuff and expansion the the KDF story alone makes me actually want to show some support, let alone a new faction.
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  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    people who purchase one of the packs should get access to the closed beta on Tribble.

    Eh, the beta will open up to everyone soon enough. Just be patient.
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  • trhrangerxmltrhrangerxml Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    as I said, just a personal opinion.

    EDIT: I already got dinged from my internet provider this month for data caps, need to go to a friends house to down load tribble updates.
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  • stephane2258stephane2258 Member Posts: 115 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    As long as the stuff is accessible after, I don't see too much of a problem. If peoples want to pay for it, let them do so. Even a F2P game need money to run. As long as peoples can really play for free, I also have no problem. I quit LotRO because with each new expansion, the cost in money and points was increasing. So if you want to pay for it, it cost more, if you want to grind the point in game (which was possible) it would take you so much time that the next expansion would be out.

    So, when I saw the offer, I admit that I was reticent. And from the blog, it seem like there is only one ship per tier accessible for free. That also worried me. Especially since the first ones seem more like Klingon Bird of Prey and the higher tier are big slow cruisers. So, I hope there will be more variety than that.

    And let it be clear, I don't have problem paying something to help the game continue, in fact, I have a lifetime subscription and still I buy ZENs sometime, since 500 Zens er month is not that much when you have many characters. But, you don't keep the lower tier ships long enough, that I don't want to pay for them. And again, the game is supposed to be F2P, if it get too far from being so, it will loose players. And a MMO without enough players...

    So, I really hope that the devs will be able to maintain the balance between the need to get money to continue the development and the fact that the game is F2P, so that player that want to, may do so.
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    That also worried me. Especially since the first ones seem more like Klingon Bird of Prey and the higher tier are big slow cruisers. So, I hope there will be more variety than that.
    The Romulan Bird of Prey preceded the Klingon BoP by many years in canon. In fact, the only reason Klingons have a BoP is because Romulans were originally supposed to be the foes in The Search For Spock movie. The writers changed it to Klingons at the last minute, but didn't change any of the ships. So the KDF got Birds of Prey and Cloaks from that snafu. :)
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • trhrangerxmltrhrangerxml Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Actually Enterprise makes it a bit hazy as to which came first, both are seen on screen (Duras at the beginning of Xindi arc and Romulan during the Minefield) with no mention of which came first. Originally we didn't see a Klingon BoP until the movies and a Romulan BoP in TOS, then again, Romulans were also flying around in D-7 Battlecruisers.
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  • eldarion79eldarion79 Member Posts: 1,679 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    He was talking about what came on screen first and why the Klingons have a BOP, a Romulan designation.

    Actually, Minefield came first. However, I always thought the term BOP and Warbird were an UFP designations. The KDF calls the Constitution-class a battle cruiser.
  • trhrangerxmltrhrangerxml Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I can't remember if it was T'Pol or a Klingon who threatened Earth with a fleet of Klingon Birds of Prey if something didn't go right (should know, watching Enterprise right now). I would of honestly preferred it if the Klingons on Enterprise would of stuck with Raptors and Battlecruisers, but I guess the BoP is such an iconic ship they had no choice. I agree, canonically BoP are a Romulan, possibly spreading to Klingons after their alliance (just like the D-7), but Enterprise changes all that.
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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I can't remember if it was T'Pol or a Klingon who threatened Earth with a fleet of Klingon Birds of Prey if something didn't go right (should know, watching Enterprise right now). I would of honestly preferred it if the Klingons on Enterprise would of stuck with Raptors and Battlecruisers, but I guess the BoP is such an iconic ship they had no choice. I agree, canonically BoP are a Romulan, possibly spreading to Klingons after their alliance (just like the D-7), but Enterprise changes all that.
    Enterprise doesn't change why Klingons have BoP. It simply confirms the canon CBS quickly made up - a one-time Rom/KDF alliance and tech-swap - to cover the snafu from the movie.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • trhrangerxmltrhrangerxml Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    What are you talking about? The Klingon-Romulan Alliance was TOS, pre-Klingon Bird of Prey was ever seen, by a good 15 years our time.

    EDIT: I take that back, the Alliance I guess was never stated, but hinted at.
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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    What are you talking about? The Klingon-Romulan Alliance was TOS, pre-Klingon Bird of Prey was ever seen, by a good 15 years our time.

    EDIT: I take that back, the Alliance I guess was never stated, but hinted at.
    Ok, let me break it down for you. The Klingons never had Birds of Prey until the Search for Spock movie. Everything done after that has just been trying to reaffirm the canon as to why Kllingons have Birds of Prey. So they keep throwing in references to the ships in series like Enterprise to make it seem more canon and not like it truly was: a mistake.

    So Klingons "always" had Birds of Prey in canon - even though we know they didn't.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
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