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Engineer looking for lvl 50 ship.
diotw
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My first Klingon character (an Engineer) is pushing through the level 40s at the moment, which means soon I'm going to have to start thinking about which ship to put him in when he hits 50. So far, he's flown the starting BoP, the Kamarag, and then the Vor'cha and Negh'Var battle-cruisers. I've had a look through the C-Store KDF ships, and I'm not quite able to make up my mind on some of them!
What I'm looking for is specifically a Klingon ship, as he has a purely Klingon crew (apart from two Alien gen New Romulus liaison officers). As an Engineer, I've mostly been looking at the battle-cruiser line, but the C-Store B'rel is pretty iconic, and very tempting. I am in a fleet, but at the moment I'm quite new and don't have the necessary permissions to buy ships.
So, what's the verdict from the experts? Is the Bortasqu' bundle worth the money? Are any of the other battle-cruisers able to produce enough firepower? Would the B'rel be a waste of time?
What I'm looking for is specifically a Klingon ship, as he has a purely Klingon crew (apart from two Alien gen New Romulus liaison officers). As an Engineer, I've mostly been looking at the battle-cruiser line, but the C-Store B'rel is pretty iconic, and very tempting. I am in a fleet, but at the moment I'm quite new and don't have the necessary permissions to buy ships.
So, what's the verdict from the experts? Is the Bortasqu' bundle worth the money? Are any of the other battle-cruisers able to produce enough firepower? Would the B'rel be a waste of time?
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This character is why I don't play my Romulan any more. Tovan Khev is NOT my BFF! Get him off my bridge!
This character is why I don't play my Romulan any more. Tovan Khev is NOT my BFF! Get him off my bridge!
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Before that perhaps consider a mirror Voquv, you can buy them at the exchange. It is a great ship for an eng, offering tankiness and decent dps with pets, and handling this ship will let you know if you want to spend money on another slow turn ship like the Bortasqu.
My Eng uses both ships regularly.
As for the B'rel, I also love that ship and is one of my favorites, and I highly recomend purchasing it, but only for a tac or sci character. Eng is not good for any bird of prey, especially the B'rel, they rely too much on spike damage that only tac captain buffs or sci captain subnuc and sensor scan can provide.
C-store, I know a lot of people really like the Kar'fi, as both a heavy carrier and a ship with a decent bite in its own right. Don't own it personally though, but that's what I've repeatedly heard/seen.
Fleet ships....on one hand the Fleet Vor'cha is an absolutely amazing ship, with 95% the toughness of a cruiser and 95% the punch of an escort, and available with only a tier 2 shipyard. However it really really really really really shines in the hands of a tactical captain, who can best put that extra firepower to full use, so its entirely possible you'd end up spending $20 on a ship that, while awesome, would always be nagging you with an 'except for' in the back of your mind.
This character is why I don't play my Romulan any more. Tovan Khev is NOT my BFF! Get him off my bridge!
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I havent perma-docked my Tor'Kaht though. I just love the speed and manueverablity, so I run it more for shear fun now.
I fell in love with my Bortas. Next to my BoP, Guramba, and Dread, my Bortasqu' is the number one ship I fly the most, for PVP, and PVE. I just love it.
Not even close to being outclassed bud, not even close.
Fixed..........
Stop kicking and screaming because others disagree with you. It does nothing to help your argument.
And what is your above post about?
Explaining a concept that you have yet to grasp. Time and again you have resorted to complaining and/or insulting others when your arguments failed. You have made the following claims/assertions:
The Hoh'Sus console pet does 10k DPS with it's cannons alone, on top of it's "triple deployable transphasic torpedoes and tricobalt mines." It also can solo player escorts.
Quad Cannons are stronger for PVP than DHCs.
Completely unaware of energy requirements of Quads
The Bort has a Commander Tact slot.
9 points into Energy Weapons gives 4% crit.
9 points into targetting gives 4% crit
Orion interceptors cannot be used on anything but Orion carriers.
Your autocannon regularly hits for 90k
On top of that, random claims of scores of ships you wipe out on your own.
You degrade others for talking about ships they don't yet own. You then explain how you are unable to buy the Fleet Torkhat, yet call people who fly one Noobs and explain how the Bort is far better.
When you are asked for proof for any of your claims, you refuse to provide any. When someone provides direct factual evidence that proves you wrong, you accuse them of trolling and hurl insults.
That's all just in those 2 threads. A quick search of your name brings up several other gems. In another, you claim the Garumba is the best ship in the game. You state, "Character class means nothing." Your Gravity well hits players for 8400 DPS. Photonic Shockwave hits them for 24k. All straight Hull damage, unmitigated by Shields. Sorry man, but you have no credibility.
Of course if you're a tightwad like I am you'll probably ignore the three pack. In which case you'll have to choose for yourself which Bort layout best fits your style, "class", whatever. At the end the most important thing is have fun and remember what works for one person doesn't always work for another.
From your signature I assume that you fly an Excelsior with your Fed character. If you are looking for something similar to the KDF side there is not any. Only if you buy the Galor or the D'Kora.(Boff wise and turn rate)
Personally, I use a DHC Tor'Kaht build and is viable(both in pvp and pve). I cannot say anything about the Bortasqu because I do not have one.
KDF Eng: Boreas I.K.S. Demonon Nemesis {Fleet: HoS}
Rom Sci: Crius I.R.W. Noctem Aeternus {Fleet: LoS}
Fed Tac: Kronos U.S.S. Xibalba, I.S.S. Theogonia{Fleet: HSF}
It can definitely work if you want an alternative Engie playstyle. One of the best parts of Bird-of-Prey use is all the wonky builds you can try via the universal slotting. Because your engineering abilities give you more natural defensive oomph, you can slot more of your Boff abilities towards offense or you could choose to be an elusive heal boat. Or maybe you'll love annoying your foes by speeding by with a trail of warp plasma up their noses? Possibilities abound. Obviously you can't tank or do the maximum spike damage of a Tac BoP, but you can still be very useful to your team and have a lot of fun in the process.
Alot of the enjoyment I personally derive from STO is trying out funky hybrid builds. Just my two cents.
Edit: Also, +1 to Fearlessteapot.
This character is why I don't play my Romulan any more. Tovan Khev is NOT my BFF! Get him off my bridge!
The Bortasqu'... I don't want to regurgitate all the arguments that have been going around regarding this ship / ship pack. Read up on the various threads. There should be 2 basic things about that ship that ring your alarms.
* There's one, maybe two posters that defend that ship compared to a larger number of detractors.
* Most of all, that there are posts trying to defend a purchase of the ship pack while many have complained of the worth of this purchase. There is no general concensus, or even a significant minority, that defend this ship, much less encourage its use. Even some of its defenders say that it's not for everyone. You are warned.
If you spend the money on it and enjoy it in the end, then I'm happy for you. If you spend the money despite the warnings from many more players and wind up disliking the purchase, then it's a bad case of "I told you so." Now, I bought the 3 ship pack a long time ago, and I consider it one of the biggest, wasteful expenditures I've ever done in this title.
Now, between the other Battlecruisers in the KDF lineup, there's lots of great choices.
For standard purchases, the Negh'Var and Vor'Cha are nice, rounded choices. Between the vanilla version of those 2, I prefer the Vor'Cha for the 1 point better turn rate and the slightly larger TAC BOFF playroom. The regular Negh'Var is more rugged, but that Ensign ENG station is a bit of a waste, IMO. Either way, both are good standard routes.
Of note is the Mirror Vor'Cha and Mirror Vo'Quv. If you want to save the dil or your free ship token upon reaching the higher ranks, both are bonafide, decent selections. The MV is a more SCI focused version of the Vor'Cha refit yet handles the same beautiful way. The M.Vo'Quv is a nice way to play around with a carrier without expending a token or the dil. Let's you see how carrier play is to your tastes before committing with other, more expensive carriers.
The Marauder Flight Deck Cruiser is a different cruiser in style to the Klingon ones. In handling, it's closer to Federation cruisers. BOFF station and Console station wise, it can be built very tough. ENG Cmdr/LtCdr, Sci Lt/Ens, and ENG/SCI consoles at 4/3. You can have a potentially very tough ship with the SCI consoles to support great shields. The closest comparison in this game is Starfleet's Star Cruiser. It's very much the same but with one major difference... The other bonus is that it has a single hangar slot. More play options for you! This ship is a rarity to see within the faction among players. On the very, very rare times I do see it in PVP, their users make this underrated ship hold up quite well.
Fleet Ships...
- Fleet Vor'Cha / Torkhat - Of the maneuverable battle cruisers in the KDF, this one has grabbed alot of the spotlight. It handles the same beautiful way as all other Vor'Cha variants but its more slanted towards offense. It's a very popular battlecruiser.
- Fleet K'T'Inga - I got one of these for one of my many KDF alts, one of my Engineers. It is easily the best maneuvering Cruiser in the game. BOFF and Console station wise, slanted towards ruggedness, engineering. However, it has less hull than say a Negh'Var. But it has the best cruiser handling and its BOFF stations are similar to the Vor'Cha Refit. Throw some Aux2Batts, Technician DOFFs, for some of your ENG skills, while still having alot of room for other ENG abilities, and you can have some pretty decent fun with a tough ship. When the Fleet Ship System first came out, I had many reservations about this ship. But after some information provided by others, it balanced out and made me curious. Like I said, I bought it not long ago, and it's a wonderfully handling ship. Keep in mind that it will cost you the full 4 FSMs, as there's no early, high level variants of this ship to make it cheaper for 1 FSM.
I found it was a good setup, but not really for me. The firepower (when you can apply it) can be outstanding, but if something gets behind you you can have problems.
In the end, I just stayed with my Fleet Q'in (yeah yeah, I know, Fl. Somraw's better :rolleyes:) on Holodeck. Survivability, firepower, and agility: all an engineer needs to get the job done.
My engie flies the non-fleet retrofit, which is an outstanding way to test-drive if you're long on fleet credits before you spend real ducats on Fleet Ship Modules.
-Gen
I'm sure your DPS is great, but as Kahless said, "a petaQ with high system mastery is still a petaQ." (Well, he should have said it...!)
This character is why I don't play my Romulan any more. Tovan Khev is NOT my BFF! Get him off my bridge!
You are correct. I loaded up one of my ENGies and saw that it was like that. I need sleep.
Yay! Somebody listened to me!
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