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What makes a ship 'Romulan'?

capnmanxcapnmanx Member Posts: 1,452 Arc User
So, I don't like the look of the T2 Romulan ship revealed in LoR Dev Blog 3; I've stated my reasons why elsewhere. I do kinda like the T5 one, but a lot of people don't; and, while I do like it, I'm not sure how well it matches Romulan design themes.

I really like the look of the concept pic on the teaser site (you know, the one that looks a bit like a Mogai inspired carrier). There are several things about it that I like, one of which is the silver 'feathering' on the wings; however, I suspect that many Rommie fans would say that they should be green, and that them not being green makes the ship look less 'Romulan'.

Anyway, this all got me wondering 'what makes a ship look Romulan?'

It can't just be the Raptor theme, since not every Romulan ship has that beaky nose or particularly impressive wings. Romulan ships tend to have a certain elegance about them, but there are plenty of elegant things out there that look nothing like Warbirds; so 'elegant' doesn't mean much by itself as a description.

What are the key points of Romulan ship design to you guys?
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  • kalvorax#3775 kalvorax Member Posts: 1,663 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    idk..the t2 looks fine...its the t5 with that extra set of nacelles under it that are ugly....lets see the size of it first lol
  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    cynder2012 wrote: »
    idk..the t2 looks fine...its the t5 with that extra set of nacelles under it that are ugly....lets see the size of it first lol

    The extra nacelles under it is a ship that detaches.
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  • capnmanxcapnmanx Member Posts: 1,452 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    cynder2012 wrote: »
    idk..the t2 looks fine...its the t5 with that extra set of nacelles under it that are ugly....lets see the size of it first lol

    Pretty sure that's a support craft; the diagram in the corner of the pic suggests a separation mechanic.
  • jermbotjermbot Member Posts: 801 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I liked the Tier-2 better than the Tier-3 actually. It looks sleeker, it's more compact wings give it an air of functional menace. Where as the Mogai's wings have always been so large they turn me off.
  • kalvorax#3775 kalvorax Member Posts: 1,663 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    neoakiraii wrote: »
    The extra nacelles under it is a ship that detaches.
    capnmanx wrote: »
    Pretty sure that's a support craft; the diagram in the corner of the pic suggests a separation mechanic.

    ooooo...then what is the ship that is just in front of the t5 in the picture?
  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    cynder2012 wrote: »
    ooooo...then what is the ship that is just in front of the t5 in the picture?

    the ship detached
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  • tenkaritenkari Member Posts: 2,906 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    some of them look like remans helped design them, just cause its the romulan faction doesnt mean all the ships have to be a pure romulan design, the remans can design ships themselves as well, its a joint effort.
  • firelordzx5firelordzx5 Member Posts: 79 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Maybe we will se reman designs in the future, romulas always have these hawks and eagle design, remans would be more likely crows or bats :cool:

    I can imagine a reman ship whose captain will say "I'm batman..." :P
  • jexsamxjexsamx Member Posts: 2,803 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I like the T2 ship. Could use a slightly more bird-like forward section, but the lines remind me of the Klingon Bird-of-Prey (which incidentally was originally designed as Romulan) so it's a nice throwback.

    The only thing that gets me is I can't discern the function of the sharp angles of the upper wings; there's a glow there, so it does something, but they don't have any apparent weapon ports or other functional design features. I like the double arch look a lot in theory, I just with the in-practice model looked like it did something.
  • voxinvictusvoxinvictus Member Posts: 261
    edited April 2013
    cynder2012 wrote: »
    idk..the t2 looks fine...its the t5 with that extra set of nacelles under it that are ugly....lets see the size of it first lol

    Based on the concept art, it looks like the second set of nacelles is a second ship which separates from the main ship. Similar in concept to saucer sep or the breakaway escort/BoP on the Odyssey and Bortasqu.
  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited April 2013
  • dkeith2011dkeith2011 Member Posts: 595 Arc User
    edited April 2013
  • radaikofromulusradaikofromulus Member Posts: 164 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    neoakiraii wrote: »

    This ship has a very modern Romulan aesthetic to it.
  • firelordzx5firelordzx5 Member Posts: 79 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    dkeith2011 wrote: »
    Same here.

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  • erei1erei1 Member Posts: 4,081 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    We are three.
    Four now :)
    It really look Romulan, but very modern to. I hope it's not a low lvl ship.
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  • psycoticvulcanpsycoticvulcan Member Posts: 4,160 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    erei1 wrote: »
    Four now :)
    It really look Romulan, but very modern to. I hope it's not a low lvl ship.

    Five. :D

    Romulan ships, with the exception of the TOS Bird-of-Prey, all have a noble but predatory look to them. The Dhelan looks more like a brute force kind of ship, like one would expect from a Klingon design (not that Klingon ships are ugly, but they're not really elegant in the same way).

    Some Reman designs would be great. I'm not a huge fan of the repainted Romulan ships, even if they kind of make sense.
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  • catoblepasbetacatoblepasbeta Member Posts: 1,532 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Romulan aesthetics ideally embody both a sense of predatory dangerousness and fragile elegance. Look at the D'Deridex: bigger than a galaxy with that iconic 'beak' part on the front- there woudl be no mistaking the buisness end of a d'deridex. But at the same time, its supports and wings are thin and fragile, even moreso with the valdore/mogai class, with its long, thin wings. Another reoccuring theme is the hollow space in between the warp pylons- a uniquly romulan way of adhering to the pylon 'line of sight' rule. The tier 5 ships is way too bulky IMO in general to embody a romulan aesthetic, and the front end does not look terribly 'beaky' to qualify as a later-period Romulan ship, and in general lack both the predatory and fragile/elegant look of the d'deridex. way too bulky (look at those pylons!) and not terribly intimidating either, IMO. the secondary craft part seems a bit out of place as well, seperating ship sections seems mroe like federation territory, I think.

    The tier 2 one just has too many straight lines and not enough curves. Sure, it has the beak and the hollow wings, but triangular wings do not screem 'elegant' to me. It's just not a Romulan aesthetic when it comes to ships. Perhaps I could buy it as a reman ship-the scimitar was plenty angular enough, but not romulan.
  • element113element113 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    I'm kinda digging the support craft of the Ha'apax.

    I'd fly that as a standalone but then again its as close as I'm gonna get to a V-30 winged defender ;)

    please make it so:D
  • catoblepasbetacatoblepasbeta Member Posts: 1,532 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    element113 wrote: »
    I'm kinda digging the support craft of the Ha'apax.

    I'd fly that as a standalone but then again its as close as I'm gonna get to a V-30 winged defender ;)

    please make it so:D
    A b'rel bird of prey would probably be a closer approximation, which you can get by going the KDF protectorate route.
  • psiameesepsiameese Member Posts: 1,650 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    element113 wrote: »
    I'm kinda digging the support craft of the Ha'apax.

    I'd fly that as a standalone but then again its as close as I'm gonna get to a V-30 winged defender ;)

    please make it so:D

    I loved that game, too. :cool: I had a lead miniature of the V-30. But darned if I can find it now.
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  • kwiat007kwiat007 Member Posts: 144 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    Romulan aesthetics ideally embody both a sense of predatory dangerousness and fragile elegance. Look at the D'Deridex: bigger than a galaxy with that iconic 'beak' part on the front- there woudl be no mistaking the buisness end of a d'deridex. But at the same time, its supports and wings are thin and fragile, even moreso with the valdore/mogai class, with its long, thin wings. Another reoccuring theme is the hollow space in between the warp pylons- a uniquly romulan way of adhering to the pylon 'line of sight' rule. The tier 5 ships is way too bulky IMO in general to embody a romulan aesthetic, and the front end does not look terribly 'beaky' to qualify as a later-period Romulan ship, and in general lack both the predatory and fragile/elegant look of the d'deridex. way too bulky (look at those pylons!) and not terribly intimidating either, IMO. the secondary craft part seems a bit out of place as well, seperating ship sections seems mroe like federation territory, I think.

    The tier 2 one just has too many straight lines and not enough curves. Sure, it has the beak and the hollow wings, but triangular wings do not screem 'elegant' to me. It's just not a Romulan aesthetic when it comes to ships. Perhaps I could buy it as a reman ship-the scimitar was plenty angular enough, but not romulan.
    I completely agree with you. I hope other ships will have the characteristics you mentioned.
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  • capnmanxcapnmanx Member Posts: 1,452 Arc User
    edited April 2013
    We are three.
    erei1 wrote: »
    Four now :)
    It really look Romulan, but very modern to. I hope it's not a low lvl ship.
    Five. :D

    Romulan ships, with the exception of the TOS Bird-of-Prey, all have a noble but predatory look to them. The Dhelan looks more like a brute force kind of ship, like one would expect from a Klingon design (not that Klingon ships are ugly, but they're not really elegant in the same way).

    Some Reman designs would be great. I'm not a huge fan of the repainted Romulan ships, even if they kind of make sense.

    Well, six; since that is the one I was talking about. And not one complaint about it not being completely green. I'm shocked, and a little impressed. :P:D

    Honestly, I think the silver touches help make the green stand out more; unrelieved solid colour can seem kinda drab, which I always felt did the definitely not drab Romulan ship designs a disservice.
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