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Is the new Romulan faction a waste of time for PvP?
darramouss1
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Cryptic has already disappointed many of us by going on record as saying that they are more biased towards escorts and they will cater more towards them then any of the other classes.
These new Romulan ships are NOT like escorts as all. Slow turning, lumbering beasts.
In PvP that pretty much means never being anything special. Run of the mill. Ordinary at best.
If this is the case, what's the point?
These new Romulan ships are NOT like escorts as all. Slow turning, lumbering beasts.
In PvP that pretty much means never being anything special. Run of the mill. Ordinary at best.
If this is the case, what's the point?
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You don't have any stats whatsoever on planned Romulan ships, you don't know which ones will have Fleet or Refit variants, you don't know what c-store ships there are going to be...yet you're already complaining abput how bad they'll be in PvP?
You're right, I don't have stats. I have this, though.
"Romulan ships tend to be large and heavy, making them somewhat slower and less maneuverable than comparable Federation and Klingon Defense Force ships. The iconic D?deridex, for example, is larger and more resilient than the Galaxy ? but considerably slower as a result."
This is from Dev Blog 3.
Slow ships with cannons aren't as useful as fast ships with cannons. I don't think many people will argue with this, after all if you can't get the cannons aimed at the enemy they're useless. This is but one of the things that makes the JHAS so deadly.
Logic follows that if your ship can't turn fast enough for cannons you're going to have to fit on beams or torpedoes. (I seriously doubt there will ever be a ship that only packs mines and nothing else.)
I seriously doubt that they will invalidate the Feds and the klinks by making the Romulans noticeably stronger or have wildly stronger powers. If they do that then who will play (and pay for items from) the original two factions? That being said, apart from a few new fancy powers they're just going to be green ships that will blend in to the PvP background. Any serious PvP Romulan will just fly a JHAS.
Cryptics blind lust for the profits generated by escorts will hurt the Romulans.
I sincerely hope this is the case. I want Star Trek Online, not escorts online.
The only way a rom cruiser will be viable is if it has one crazy powerful alpha strike from cloak. Something most cruiser type ships arn't setup for. Anyway I call the "Durpy'Dex" right now as the future naming for it. And will also admit I am going to buy a scimitar no matter how terrible a ship it may be if they give us the option.
Retrofit versions of the various ships.
Fleet versions of the various ships.
C-Store versions of other ships.
It's going to be a P2T faction.
Pay-to-Turn.
Also they stated the D'deridex will appeal to people who like battlecruisers, well battlecruisers vary a lot in their base turn rate, from slow turners like Bortasqu, to the Fleet Ktinga which handles almost like a destroyer. So we really have no idea how good this thing will turn until they release the stats.
I am confident Cryptic wants to sell ships, so they won't make these suck.
I'm making all my Romulan toons go to the KDF side, so they will have instant (and free) access to Subspace Jump. So the moment they have the level, and if I choose to put them in a slower turning ship, I can use Subspace Jump for the same reason as my Bortas:
To make it so that turn doesn't mean ****.
Besides, when I have to turn, I've always found that Evasives in reverse is perfectly fine most of the time. If needed I will chain a Deuterium Surplus, and maybe an engine battery.
Plus these buggers are going to be cloaking. So I can set myself up for an attack however I like ahead of time.
Sure in PvP I'd be totally running it differently, but in PvE, I don't see a massive need to turn as it stands now.
My plans of flying a D'deridex haven't changed.
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In a PodcastUGC interview with Captain Gecko they asked about the sci/esc/cru dynamics. Gecko stated that they focus more on escorts as more people spend money on them. Because of that they give escorts more love. VERY disappointing.
My fears exactly.
More love=more ship releases, they were not implying they try to make escorts op.
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I'm not going to listen to the podcast again as it was insanely long but it was recognised that escorts are the better ships and there won't be efforts to change that.
So..... Oddys, Bortas, Most carriers are no good in PVP ?
Well if you're not willing that really says it all doesn't it?
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A team of escorts that focus fire will beat a team of oddys on most days. Yes, there will be battles that the cruisers win but in the end the war will go to the escorts.
Did you listen to it? Did you take the time to? I did. I listened to it once and owing the very long length of it I'm not going to listen to it again to find the exact time when he says it.
He says that escorts are the best sellers and that they will focus on making more escorts than anything else. It's that simple, cryptic PR is bad but not "we want to make the game more imbalanced" bad.
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The Singularity Cores in the Dil Store hint at several of the powers - there's what, 5 or 6 of them? Shielding, Jump, Overcharge, Warp Shadow, etc, etc, etc...
Lets wait until actual stats appear before whining. Story fluff is interesting, but doesn't directly translate into gameplay.
I'll admit though, if they give the D'deridex a turnrate of 6 instead of 9 like a Negh'var, I'm going to avoid it. That'll be despite it being on of my favourite ships in Trek.
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With an emphasis on the tactical use of potent abilities stemming from advanced Romulan technology, Romulan Warbirds are built to fight like the Romulans themselves ? with a high risk, high reward style.
So, just maybe, they have some high criticals or special overload attacks. Or extra high level tac slots.
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The way I see it, It's BECAUSE escorts are more overpowered than science ships/cruisers/etc that they are the better sellers. If this game was at pre-F2P levels, science ships would be the better sellers with at least some more cruisers being sold.
And it shouldn't be the case that "escorts are stronger than most ships and that is how it should be". If they actually leveled the playing field a little bit more and somehow made cruisers more viable in PVP/PVE, they could have more sales across the board.
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