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Jem'Hadar Dreadnought Carrier Attack Ship Pets Lockout.
daedalus304
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So yea since the other thread was derailed and sent into mod shutdown.
I decided to bring this back up, there are still many people agitated about this in game, I have a JHAS and the JHDC so I have the pets.
But I still do not stand by nor accept the principle set by Cryptic on this issue.
I still believe we can resume our original discussion on this, and so long as people ignore the trolls we should be able to keep on track.
We had a good thread going on with a productive discussion, a few trolls came in and started to derail it, those same trolls circumvented their bans by making new accounts and continuing to troll.
So yea, let's continue the discussion we had before.
My Stance is simple, I don't agree with what they did, I feel there were plenty of other real ways to have a "bonus" for the JHAS owners, and ways to make both sides happy with it.
I decided to bring this back up, there are still many people agitated about this in game, I have a JHAS and the JHDC so I have the pets.
But I still do not stand by nor accept the principle set by Cryptic on this issue.
I still believe we can resume our original discussion on this, and so long as people ignore the trolls we should be able to keep on track.
We had a good thread going on with a productive discussion, a few trolls came in and started to derail it, those same trolls circumvented their bans by making new accounts and continuing to troll.
So yea, let's continue the discussion we had before.
My Stance is simple, I don't agree with what they did, I feel there were plenty of other real ways to have a "bonus" for the JHAS owners, and ways to make both sides happy with it.
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Making a special elite version that requires you to own a bugship to get I think most people could swallow, but locking it out entirely is just pissing your customers off.
More to the point, however: What do you hope to accomplish with a new thread that the old thread failed to achieve? Do you think that such a monstrosity of a thread just wasn't noticed or something?
deal with it
They have been making special promotions to allow people the chance to get it again, im actually kind of mad after they made such a big deal with the initial release and all the TRIBBLE they got for the rarity and such. It used to be a vanity ship, but now you cant fly through a system without seeing one.
get over it
The attack ship hangars are unlocked for those lucky enough (or in some cases rich enough) to have the bug ship. I dont see cryptic allowing anyone who doesnt have the bug to get these hangars anytime soon.
I would love some spiral wave love, or andorian phasers, but you dont see me complaining about it.
P.S.-Elite scorpions are better anyways, and you just have to have the romulan rep tiered up to do it, go get some of those and thank me later.
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"You Best Make Peace With Your Dear & Fluffy Lord" - Malcolm Reynolds
But I think it is wrong that only JHAS owners can buy the bugship hangar..Everyone that owns the Dreadnought should have access to them, period.
I do however agree with a poster above, the Elite Scorpions do have more damage output with 12 of them out at a time on the dread, I use them and they are great. But i wanted the bugship hangar because the 4 bugships flying around my ship is just awesomeness.
Live and learn i guess, I will not be spending any more $$ on this game or Neverwinter.
I hear you brother
HERE HERE GET THE TORCHES BURN BURN BURN
CRYPTIC HEAR OUR ANGER!!!!
stop hideing behind poor excuses cryptic
GET OUT HERE POST UR REASONING!!!
now that my anger is fairly vented.
yeah cryptic failed aloot in this past year and this was kind athe drop for me in many ways.
locking ships hangar bays is just poor management.
can we please have another commander in chief for cryptic and star trek online one with more compassion and care for the playerbase.
and perhaps get rid of the "lizzard or human or spider or demon or evil or what ever you wanna put in here" who made this lockout happen in the first place.
Are advanced Fer'jai frigates really so much better than the normal ones? I tried the normal ones in Tau Dewa patrol missions and noticed that they did 40 times more damage with their turrets than with their dual cannons. *Checks StoWiki*
* Fore Tri-Cobalt Device
* Torpedo High Yield II
I guess I'll have to do some testing in RedShirt.
As I said in a similar thread before, don't compare Mesh Weavers with JHAS carrier pet. If you want to make a comparison that would work, it would be JHAS to Orb Weaver. Now, if Cryptic made Orb Weaver carrier pets free for the Recluse, without the requirement to own the lockbox Orb Weaver, then your argument would hold.
The way it is now, you can compare just about anything - The Vesta having Peregrine Fighters, the Atrox having Stealth Fighters and so on, but this doesn't make a difference because the JHAS is a special (not lockbox, but in a similar manner obtained) ship while the other carrier pets are not special lockbox starships that happen to be able to serve as carrer pets for a Carrier of the same species.
Really? i really need to get on tribble
It's live now. They're pretty cool as all four of them apply attack pattern beta two.
I wouldn't have minded quite so much if they made the hanger item account unlocked. At least I could get some use out of the bug on my tactical captain who pilots escorts. But, giving the bug to my engineer captain who only pilots cruisers and hangers is a tremendous waste. I can't justify spending 400+ million energy credits just for hanger pets. Especially when I already own elite scorpions, which by all accounts have a higher dps. There needs to be an alternate path to obtaining them that doesn't leave you feeling like your being taken advantage of.
Go back and look at Kron's posts, he has one with multiple postings, and one with 1 posting same poster as well.
plus a mod confirmed it.
I put this up here because like it or not I want to keep expressing my opinion.
Don't Like it? then pleas express your opinion.
you are assuming i am blanketing everyone who disagreed with me, no I am not, the final few pages of that thread were litterally derailed by trolls who did nothing but insult people, and contributed no constructive argument, there were plenty of real constructive arguments for the lockout.
however when people started with "suck it up" or "stop whining" then their argument turns into a derailment.
I have the bug, and the dreadnought, clearly you didn't read my main posting.
and as for the Andorian phasers and spiral waves, nothing like the JHAS-H pets.
on one hand you have a C-Store acessable weapon able to be used on all chars in your account, the other is a weapon you can only buy get on your galor and the dil store which can be used on any ship you have.
difference? you cannot use the JHAS-H on your JHAS, but that is the requried ship for it.
you can use any andorian weapon on any of your ships (barring DC-DHC for fed side broadness)
I also have my rep maxed out on borg and romulans. I have the Scorp fighters too, but it's beside the point, it is the principle of it all.
Dude, this idea alone, will ramp a JHDC upwards of 400mil in value.
It's already the best flag ship in game, without the pets. With the pets, it's the best ship in the entire game all around. And you want to give such power freely away to anyone/everyone at will?
Took me a few minutes to understand what you said, but now that i do, seriously? You think it is the best ship in game? Or that defying all basis that it would shoot the price up 320m ec? If anything with the pets is is just slightly more capable of surviving in a fight since the pets would
d take some ggro, but aside from that they are eyecandy that don't work well
yea I don't think he understands how the Carrier Pets work in the slightest....or how the economics of STO work for that matter.
But still, we have this discussion going, I would like to see constructive for's and against comments.
but seriously anything that is along the lines of "suck it up" or "never going to happen" or "stop whining", "gimmie gimmie gimmie" or for that matter "this thread is pointless" is not helpful or constructive.
Yet people keep claiming that their JHAS carrier pets solo elite tactical cubes all the time or how their pets add 3-4k DPS. Who's right?
I have yet to see bugship pets soloing Probe spawns, let alone Tac Cubes in elite STFs. Elite Fer'Jai, which are easily the most OP hangar pets in the game (yes, they outperform elite Scorpions), can barely solo elite tac cubes.
Of course it may possibly be that I just haven't seen elite bugship pets yet, but the ones I have seen have been subpar compared to other Frigate pets. With the possible exception of the Mesh Weavers which I have yet to see at all, but on paper they don't look that great.
woa woa woa.....who the hell managed to pump out 3-4k dps with the JHAS-H pets?
I mean i managed to streatch my elites with full Flight deck officer doffs specifically gained towards attack formation, as well as my own personal recipe to get maybe 900 but 3-4k?
Pics or it didn't happen.
People claim things, but sometimes they exaggerate, sometimes they misremember, and sometimes they fail to mention that they accomplish them via very specific and not universally-applicable circumstances. Ask for video; if they can't repeat it on command, it's not a balance issue, it's a fluke.
Cryptic, on the other hand, has extensive data on what actually happens in the game. They can see how many people are flying those things, how much damage they're doing in various missions, and how that compares to people not flying them.
Back on topic I agree jhas pets should be available to all JHDC captains...
So the first one got shut down eh? Maybe that should be a sign to give it up because lets face it, if the JHAS wasn't so expensive or rare people wouldn't be complaining.
If the JHAS was another one of the 50-80 mill ec boxed ships people wouldn't be complaining...people are just upset it's so expensive and they aren't handed it.
while the first statment of your post is unconstructive, the second part has merit.
the first one was shut down because a troll started to derail the thread, litterally just came in called everyone whiners, among other insults.
this then drew trolls to the thread....like monkeys to a giant banana.
ultimately the thread was shut down due to the trolls flooding five pages with derailment posts and too many complaints filed against them.
Keep on Trekkin',
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