Zen/Dilithium Wall between Accounts

allocater · April 2013

In STO there is no way to transfer Zen/Dil from one account to another. But in Neverwinter the "Dilithium" will be the Exchange currency, so there you can. This establishes a major difference between the STO and the NW economy. I wonder why they did that? To be like Diablo 3? Will the wall in STO fall as well? Is that a good thing?

chandlerashari · April 2013

It certainly will be interesting, DStahl has one said of maybe adding a Dillithium Exchange in the future...

Good bad? I dunno, itll maybe itll incriese the value of time played in game.

I can see how this can benefit both the time rich and the rl money rich players.

If dill can buy exchange gear, moneyrich players can buy from timerich players directly as opposed to going through the zen>cstoreitem>ec route...

Im no economist, can someone eleborate on my scenario?

duaths1 · April 2013

in NW it is a more direct monetization.

in STO:
the mechanism ZEN = Dill --> EC is provided
the mechanism EC --> Zen = Dill does not exist yet
(in fact there is the catfood, but you can't get large amounts of Dill with it in a short amount of time)

What this will bring? Depends on the playerbase. Is there more people buying Zen or grinding for it?
Is there more people enjoying playing the game, or are people enjoying BUYING stuff and playing barbie house?
Will there be new additions in the Zen store?

chalpen · April 2013

You can transfer everything eventually except unrefined dilithium (a great idea for the account bank but I am better the words "it's too hard show up")

atatassault · April 2013

duaths1 wrote: »

in NW it is a more direct monetization.

in STO:
the mechanism ZEN = Dill --> EC is provided
the mechanism EC --> Zen = Dill does not exist yet
(in fact there is the catfood, but you can't get large amounts of Dill with it in a short amount of time)

What this will bring? Depends on the playerbase. Is there more people buying Zen or grinding for it?
Is there more people enjoying playing the game, or are people enjoying BUYING stuff and playing barbie house?
Will there be new additions in the Zen store?

What do you mean by catfood?

ourmaster · April 2013

atatassault wrote: »

What do you mean by catfood?

Probably contraband.

rustyblades · April 2013

You can exchange dill for c in the dill exchange. If you go to the assets tab, there is an exchange button under the dil section.

cindylawson · April 2013

duaths1 wrote: »

in NW it is a more direct monetization.

in STO:
the mechanism ZEN = Dill --> EC is provided
the mechanism EC --> Zen = Dill does not exist yet
(in fact there is the catfood, but you can't get large amounts of Dill with it in a short amount of time)

What this will bring? Depends on the playerbase. Is there more people buying Zen or grinding for it?
Is there more people enjoying playing the game, or are people enjoying BUYING stuff and playing barbie house?
Will there be new additions in the Zen store?

Excuse me, I do not "play Barbie".

I prefer the term "Pretty princess dress-me-up", thank you very much!

duaths1 · April 2013

i am very sorry

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6P-szrdBaA&feature=endscreen&list=RD02wqcqZlFMUYQ&NR=1

chikahiro · April 2013

allocater wrote: »

In STO there is no way to transfer Zen/Dil from one account to another. But in Neverwinter the "Dilithium" will be the Exchange currency, so there you can. This establishes a major difference between the STO and the NW economy. I wonder why they did that? To be like Diablo 3? Will the wall in STO fall as well? Is that a good thing?

I'm not quite sure I follow, but then I'm not tracking NW.

In STO you can buy Zen, which can buy 1. Dilithium and 2. Master Keys plus Fleet Modules, both of which can be sold for Energy Credits at very nice prices (millions).
You can also use Energy Credits to buy things that can be used to earn Dilithium, such as Contraband, Prisoners, etc., in the DOFF system.
EC can be traded between player accounts.
Zen cannot be traded between games once it enters a game's economic system (so, no earning Dilithium to buy Zen in STO then using that Zen in Champions or any other PWE games).
Zen also cannot be traded between player accounts (so, I can't directly give you 100 Zen), nor can Dilithium.
You can trade Dilithium between characters using the Exchange if you're clever, and Zen is account bound, so all characters on the account have access to it.

That covers everything as I know it, and please correct me if I'm wrong. I should note that I never see spam for buying Zen/Dilithium, and only have gotten spam for buying EC (which is a bad idea all around). I like the current setup, since its nice and safe for us players, and makes the game less attractive to those idiot RMT jerks.

How is it working on NW?

chikahiro · April 2013

Research fail!

http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/02/20/neverwinter-days-money-and-knowledge/
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/634/feature/7129/Neverwinter-Get-Everything-You-Want-By-Playing.html

A type of currency used in-game to purchase gear and to bid in the auction house, Astral Diamonds 'are what we've dubbed a "time currency" (similar to Dilithium in Star Trek Online or Questionite in Champions Online). Typically, a player can earn Astral Diamonds by doing certain types of quests and missions. And, usually, this content is time limited so a player can only repeat this type of gameplay so often. In our Starter Packs, we provide players a treasure chest full of Astral Diamonds so their own epic tales can begin at a sprint.

But... Wait!?! Isn''t that pay-to-win! I need to buy one of these "Starter Packs" to get the gear I want?

No, no. Not at all -- that's the beauty of this system.

In-game, a player can earn Astral Diamonds from completing content (usually somewhat harder than normal quests, but not necessarily "1337"). No one 'needs to purchase Astral Diamonds... Ever. Play as as you' like and get everything desirable that way.

And please note that last sentence -- you can get everything you want by playing. Everything. This includes mounts, costumes, etc. Why? How? Because you can put your Astral Diamonds up on an auction house and sell them for micro-transactable points. Then you can purchase anything you'd like in our micro-transaction store. Committed players never need spend a dime in Neverwinter. Anyone can bankroll a hero just by playing.
By the way, this is something I absolutely love about the free-to-play model. It means that it's on us (and all developers who dabble in free gaming) to make great games that people want to play day in and day out. I'm not trying to figure out how to get subscriptions for the next month or two or three... I don't care. I'm focused instead on making a quality game that people enjoy. That is my fixation. Believe me, I was a subscription die-hard who had choice words for F2P, but the methodology behind quality free gaming design totally converted me. I see what it's done to Star Trek Online and, believe it or not, 'that game is much bigger than City of Heroes ever was at its peak! And that's due entirely to how we approach free-to-play gaming -- how we commit to providing an option for players who don't want to pay, period.

OK, well, what about a subscription option? Is there one in NW? There was in STO.

Nope.

We're doing this acrobat routine without a net. We're going full free. Ground up. We're not starting as a subscription game and changing. This is a free game from day one. So, our current presale options do not include monthly stipends that usually accompany lifetime subscriptions (like STO). I'm not sure that there've been many Western MMORPG''s to do this from the beginning and I'm on the edge of my seat to see what happens.

So, just like Star Trek so far as I can tell. Astral Diamonds will be account bound until you hit their version of the Exchange. From there you can buy and sell Astral Diamonds and Zen. But, so far as I can tell, trading Astral Diamonds from one player to another is not in the cards.

That's a good thing. Stops RMT Spammers/Farmers (ie, the bad kind), and should your account get TRIBBLE? They can't just transfer all your Astral Diamonds or Zen from your account to theirs.

sekritagent · April 2013

Yeah, you shouldn't be transferring ZEN/Dil through different accounts.

Also let me ask the obvious and ask why you are maintaining toons on multiple accounts that need ZEN and Dil at this point? I did it once to get some more alts back during the IOR days but hell it's hard enough keeping characters on the SAME account at parity.

chikahiro · April 2013

sekritagent wrote: »

Yeah, you shouldn't be transferring ZEN/Dil through different accounts.

Also let me ask the obvious and ask why you are maintaining toons on multiple accounts that need ZEN and Dil at this point? I did it once to get some more alts back during the IOR days but hell it's hard enough keeping characters on the SAME account at parity.

Well, there's also gifting or helping out another fleet/guild/whatever-mate. If you have no cash, being able to transfer Zen would be fantastic to give a friend a costume bit or whatever. That said, the potential abuses far outstrip the benefits (stupid RMT punks).

Zen/Dilithium Wall between Accounts

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