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Two Thumbs up on Romulan Implementation
bareel
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Alot of people seem to be upset about the implementation of the Romulan mini-faction. I feel what they are doing is extremely forward thinking and the most real world realistic method to add them.
Think about it for a bit. How many Romulan ships will their be at release for end game? One to Five is my guess and that five is being extremely optimistic. They already stated the Warbird will have several different layouts allowing it to efficiently fill several roles. It is unlikely that any additional ships will be released for the Romulans as well. As it is they struggle to release KDF ships do we really want the KDF population to become diminished as players migrate over to new Romulan toons?
Then their is the content or mission issue. With how it is being done it allows them to create new KDF mission content that will also be used by the Romulans along with the Queues having more players in them instead of less.
Starbases. Do you honestly want to build yet another? Starting from scratch? Unable to use the stores you and your fleeties worked on for the past six months? I know I don't. And I don't even want to touch the doff issue that everyone seems to be ignoring do we really want development time on anything doff related to be increased by 50%?
So yeah they will have a few exclusive ships that current KDF/FED players will not have access to. How is that a huge issue? I promise their are more current lock box ships than there will ever be unique romulan vessels. And it would not be difficult for them to segregate say the flagships or other iconic vessels like BoPs so the Romulans cannot use them nor would it be a problem.
Finally this paves the way for future mini-factions to be created and released. Cardassians, Liberated Borg, maybe even splitting off a few side races such as Vulcans or Gorn to become mini-factions of their main faction. This could be amazing.
In an ideal world yes this would be a perfect simulation sandbox with plenty of theme park elements where everyone could be happy. But the reality is everything is limited both development capability and playerbase size. Their is no reason to fracture everything. The cost would not be worth the benefit.
Think about it for a bit. How many Romulan ships will their be at release for end game? One to Five is my guess and that five is being extremely optimistic. They already stated the Warbird will have several different layouts allowing it to efficiently fill several roles. It is unlikely that any additional ships will be released for the Romulans as well. As it is they struggle to release KDF ships do we really want the KDF population to become diminished as players migrate over to new Romulan toons?
Then their is the content or mission issue. With how it is being done it allows them to create new KDF mission content that will also be used by the Romulans along with the Queues having more players in them instead of less.
Starbases. Do you honestly want to build yet another? Starting from scratch? Unable to use the stores you and your fleeties worked on for the past six months? I know I don't. And I don't even want to touch the doff issue that everyone seems to be ignoring do we really want development time on anything doff related to be increased by 50%?
So yeah they will have a few exclusive ships that current KDF/FED players will not have access to. How is that a huge issue? I promise their are more current lock box ships than there will ever be unique romulan vessels. And it would not be difficult for them to segregate say the flagships or other iconic vessels like BoPs so the Romulans cannot use them nor would it be a problem.
Finally this paves the way for future mini-factions to be created and released. Cardassians, Liberated Borg, maybe even splitting off a few side races such as Vulcans or Gorn to become mini-factions of their main faction. This could be amazing.
In an ideal world yes this would be a perfect simulation sandbox with plenty of theme park elements where everyone could be happy. But the reality is everything is limited both development capability and playerbase size. Their is no reason to fracture everything. The cost would not be worth the benefit.
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People would complain a lot more if KDF would be merged with fed as a minifaction. Even if it would totally solved all their problem (ships/content/population).
Going green yes, but over half of those green look to be going Federation side...Klingons won't gain much aid in the way of Romulan allies in PvP...at least thats how it looks so far.
I don't know how you can say 5 ships is being optimistic since they said there will be at least 1 ship per tier for player progression, plus additional store ships, 5 is the absolute minimum. That said I don't have any issues with them letting us have access to ships we might have purchased based on our ally.
If you don't want to build another starbase, fine, but players should be given the choice. My fleet was a small group of friends that predated starbases, we aren't even to T1. A real Romulan Faction was a chance to get to join a large fleet and do it right from the beginning, instead of looking to be a leach after the fact.
It should be the players choice. If you want to ally with and join your Fed fleet, fine by me, but why can't I have the choice to join a Romulan fleet and build a Romulan base?
Your DOFF comments make no sense, they have already stated there are Romulan only DOFFs, so that extra work you are so concerned about has already been spent.
I'm not sure I see the need for mini-factions within factions, though some of the proposed Romulan ideas wouldn't be terrible for say a trader/Ferengi faction.
1) So the alien generator and the bio gives you a social hub like ESD, racial specific missions, modified dialog in shared missions, specific ships, and so on? I should try that.
2) Two factions is sustainable in the long run but three would steal development time from both fed and kdf aspects. How anyone can think that is a good thing is beyond me. But honestly I wouldn't mind one bit if this is how KDF was originally handled at launch.
Doesn't matter who is loosing players the end result is a further division of playerbase and an increased difficulty in justifying content that would only be available to a small portion. In addition how many do you think would honestly make their Romulan character their new 'main' instead of it just being another alt like the vast majority have done with their KDF toons?
1) For the ships I meant end game tier 5 ships. That means most likely you will have a handful of ship models that get reused over and over again but hey they might suprise me and have more than five base options at end-game.
2) Starbases, how many fleets have both a fed and kdf starbase as a joint fleet along with a chat channel for cross-fleet communication? I'd bet the % that do as I just said is so high that it led them to this decision. Finally there is absolutely nothing stopping you from creating a new fleet (KDF or FED) and not allowing anyone but a Romulan in it if you really want to so you do infact have the choice just not the starbase model.
3) Doffs, they stated their will be a handful of specific romulan doffs but they will also be able to use their allies doffs. Likely the only unique doffs will be contained in the packs they get as they level along with the commendation ones and that is it. With the method they are using that means I can claim all those unique doffs I got from tribble testing on my shiney new Romulan toon. I can send him extra doffs from existing toons or purchase them on the exchange without paying an insanely inflated rate.
Would you seriously prefer them to instead
- Force you to create a new starbase from scratch
- Start from scratch with doffs just like when the system first released
- Limit your ship options to fewer than current KDF endgame/Cstore options
- Limit probability of content releases for your character including but not limited to missions, ships, uniforms, etc etc
- Be forced to find a way to recoup the cost of the expansion from the limited amount of players who will roll romulan? (For reference this is why they state bridge packs and uniforms have such a high cost. Limited market appeal & sales force them to gouge their words not mine).
Because I sure as hell prefer the current method.
Maybe, maybe not. Depends on who's more welcoming to the Green Hobgoblins.
Fair enough. Keep in mind this game is becoming more alt unfriendly with each and every update.
In most of those cases? Yes. I would. Romulans flying Galaxy classes is the stupidest thing I have ever heard.
@typhoncal: That is an awesome idea.
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-Thomas Marrone
You strawman false choices, I never said that Romulans shouldn't be allowed access to other ships, or other fleets, I said they should also have their choice for their own.
You cannot create a real Romulan only fleet because you cannot invite Romulans that made the other choice into your fleet. This fundamentally makes Romulans not a faction.
I agreed here
Looking really forward to playing a Romulan come May. To go with my Fed and KDF I have already.
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Or maybe people play KDF because they want to play KDF, not fed. I want to play Romulan, not Fed.
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ya I had planed on making my romulan my main not a ALT for doffing so on wanted to set <The Tal Shiar> fleet up on romulan side but we both know how that worked out ...
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Or is it just assumed Cryptic has unlimited development capabilities but chooses not to use them for some strange reason?
Story missions are overrated. I would sooner have territory control.
I would accept that like the KDF players have been doing for years if I can make my own Romulan fleets and Starbases and be a real faction.
yep same here here here !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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At this point I can't really take anything like New Romulus, Task Force Omega, or even the new Romulan "faction" too seriously.
We're supposed to believe that despite Undine Infiltration, Borg Incursions, Tholian Incurisons, Iconians, this new enemy etc... that the Federation and Klingons are still going to be willing to carry on with this now meaningless war?
And now the new "faction" will be forced to ally with one of the sides in the Forever War, despite both sides actively working together to secure a better future for the Romulans?
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If new factions are going to be mini-factions, then it is necessary for customizable ship interiors and customizable starbase interiors to be added ASAP. There will be Romulan only fleets and they should have Romulan only interiors not Federation or KDF interiors.
Story content is a one shot deal, you level up and never run it again, so while nice its not the end all be all.
I'm not a size queen, I don't need to have as many ships and uniforms as everyone else, as long as the options given are reasonable and viable.
End game is the same for everyone anyhow. FEs and STFs and Adventure Zones are already multi-faction, and we are told to expect that as end game content.
I already have a well geared, well progressed Fed toon that can fly any Fed Ship.
Making a Romulan means I have to level again, complete reputations again, run a ton of STFs to gear again, DOFF like mad to get my commendations up again, fish for months more to complete all the DOFF series I've managed to complete, regrind accolades, probably level crafting again since it would be my new main, and I'm sure other things that I am forgetting.
I'm not sure why you think we would want to do that all over again just to get access to your estimated 5 Romulan ships.
We want to be Romulans, not extra fancy Fed/KDF players.
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Shenanigans I say!
I'd of much rather they filled out the ship roster of the KDF and then implemented a full Romulan faction instead of a half assed one. That would have been actual good workmanship, instead of a half assed money grab that doesn't actually fix any of the games current issues.
I'd of much rather they filled out the ship roster of the KDF and then implemented a full Romulan faction instead of a half assed one. That would have been actual good workmanship, instead of a half assed money grab that doesn't actually fix any of the games current issues.
At this point you might as well just tear down all the damn walls and make one faction with access to everything, because the storyline and implementation in game is total trash.
yes ! we want to be Romulans !
If cryptic camt make it just drop playable romulans !
Plenty of people were willing to do just that or did you miss all the posts about new Romulan fleets? People are making new fleets all the time.
If I don't flood my new character with doffs from the old ones I'm already doing that. I have to say that doffing is a lot more interesting when every officer you assign isn't a very rare.
KDF managed to survive just that. Should KDF have been a Federation mini-faction instead?
Good for you, bad for everyone who actually wanted a real faction. Me? At least I get to make a Federation or KDF captain with some new toys. That's always fun.