I think you still get a purple on a critical success for the support mission. To be honest I have not run one of those in some time.
True, but it's always the same one for each chain. Granted, you can degrind them to blues and get new ones that way. It's still an annoying quirk where I can just more smoothly endlessly generate new doffs by sending refugees to asylums on Fed side. Doffing used to be my main gameplay past-time, so it's kinda important to me. But I'll work with what I get. Hopefully there will be at least some unique Romulan doff missions too.
True, but it's always the same one for each chain. Granted, you can degrind them to blues and get new ones that way. It's still an annoying quirk where I can just more smoothly endlessly generate new doffs by sending refugees to asylums on Fed side. Doffing used to be my main gameplay past-time, so it's kinda important to me. But I'll work with what I get. Hopefully there will be at least some unique Romulan doff missions too.
If I remember right there is a mission on the KDF side where a critical success gives you refugees. I would have to go in game and look around. Success in just CXP and critical gives the refugees - as in more than 1 I think.
If I remember right there is a mission on the KDF side where a critical success gives you refugees. I would have to go in game and look around. Success in just CXP and critical gives the refugees - as in more than 1 I think.
just checked - found one in sector space it's called:
"Offer sanctuary to refugees from Federation aggression"
Its under Development - takes 2 duty officers - 4hr mission
1 advisor/diplo + 1 other
"A critical success will add refugees to your crew"
As long as KDF Fleet Actions remain in such terrible shape, one of the best reasons to make the choice of side (Starbases, and thus fleet credits) is slanted in favor of the blue side.
It's just an easier choice overall. The feds get all the goodies, all the development attention and all the customization options.
As long as the Warbird class ships are as powerful as KDF ships, the real draw of the "other side" kind of doesn't stack up against the "road more travelled."
As long as KDF Fleet Actions remain in such terrible shape, one of the best reasons to make the choice of side (Starbases, and thus fleet credits) is slanted in favor of the blue side.
It's just an easier choice overall. The feds get all the goodies, all the development attention and all the customization options.
As long as the Warbird class ships are as powerful as KDF ships, the real draw of the "other side" kind of doesn't stack up against the "road more travelled."
grr - it's looking worse and worse for the KDF with every post
Stop it people - I do not want to hear logic about how this will doom the KDF!!
"Why go KDF for cloak if you can go Fedomulan" Is that going to be the Fed's new recruiting slogan(I trademarked it and retain all future rights and royalties:(:) )
True, but it's always the same one for each chain. Granted, you can degrind them to blues and get new ones that way. It's still an annoying quirk where I can just more smoothly endlessly generate new doffs by sending refugees to asylums on Fed side. Doffing used to be my main gameplay past-time, so it's kinda important to me. But I'll work with what I get. Hopefully there will be at least some unique Romulan doff missions too.
Fly around in Cardassian space. There's several "officer exchange" missions that let you turn white/green Doffs into Blue/Purples with a very high chance of success and they are uncommon instead of rare for the refugee asylum missions. Plus, you can use ANY white/green officer, including those otherwise worthless science officers.
Also, keep an eye out for "instigate a defection" to get some fed doffs on your side. But that one's very rare.
"Why go KDF for cloak if you can go Fedomulan" Is that going to be the Fed's new recruiting slogan(I trademarked it and retain all future rights and royalties:(:) )
Romulon? Klingulan? Hmmm. Harder to do nicknames for the red side hybrids.
Apparently from most of the responses so far it won't matter much as everyone will be a Fedomulan:(
Well KDF will at least keep most KDF players that roll Romulans due to having already invested in consoles like leech and AA. Hopefullly KDF having better Z-store consoles would encourage some Feds rolling Romulans to go KDF also. Why would you want to go Fed side if you can use the same ship on KDF side and have better consoles.
It's baffling how many people consider the mutilation of the Romulan faction to be a 'good thing'. Considering the not-inconsiderable amount of friction already existing between Federation and Klingon players, I can't see a topic like this helping anything at this point.
Second, as I've already pointed out, the problems with PVP (including the queues) are no reason to ruin the rest of the game. They are miniature issues.
I wasn't talking about PVP primarily, though it applies there. Have you tried to 'farm' Fleet Marks on KDF side ever? I put it in quotes because farming implies that its possible to successfully queue up repeatedly. Having separate Romulan faction starbases would not only mean starting over, it would mean starting over with, again, long queues.
Seriously, queue up for a Fleet Action on a KDF toon and start a timer. The whole PVE queue issue has made Fed overpopulation a self-fulfilling prophecy. Anybody who might want to try another faction, unless they're extremely dedicated (like those of us who DO play KDF mains), will be driven back to Fed side just out of ease of use.
It's baffling how many people consider the mutilation of the Romulan faction to be a 'good thing'.
There's three variables in play here:
1- The KDF who felt that this is the typical treatment Cryptic gives non-fed factions. A sort of "We told you so" type of feeling.
2- The Feddies. Who want new toys and don't want to be bothered with other factions. The "We are the majority and Cryptic has to make a profit and the shows were about us anyways" type of reasoning.
And
3- The folks that just wanted to make a Romulan by any means necessary and fly a D'Deridex. The "I'll take what I can get" philosophy.
I'm not sure your complaints will find a sympathetic ear among that cacophony.
This is why I said, 'After the rush of the new...' I have no idea what your MMO experience is, but any time a race or class is added to a game, everyone immediately roles one as an alt. Out of all those folks though, only a smaller subset actually sticks with that new character and enjoys it more than their previous ones for the long term. I have no doubt that for most of June, the game will be bursting at the seams with Romulans. The question is, if it was a completely independent faction, how many of those people would abandon their Fed or KDF mains and still be primarily playing Romulan in, say December.
Even if you think Roms would fair better than KDF in the long run, you and I both know that in the real world, their numbers would never have parity with the Feds, and so seperate Romulan queues would always appear underpopulated by comparison, and just end up being a complaint generator.
This way, Romulans help solve the problems of long queue times, rather than exacerbating them.
There is alot of truth in this, especially going by what happened with other titles when a new group appears for play. I fully expect the Romulans to be overfilling with people when the update happens. I personally will roll one to see what it has (I have 5 KDF, 3 Fed toons, yes I'm an Altaholic). But by and large, I will settle back down to my home, my roots: Back to the KDF.
Regarding the Romulans as a true, standalone faction, kind of disappointed that they're not. The New Romulan Empire is weak and cannot hold onto its own forces that will shuffle off into the Federation or Klingon Empire, fight, and in all likeliness, kill their own people also.
1- The KDF who felt that this is the typical treatment Cryptic gives non-fed factions. A sort of "We told you so" type of feeling.
2- The Feddies. Who want new toys and don't want to be bothered with other factions. The "We are the majority and Cryptic has to make a profit and the shows were about us anyways" type of reasoning.
And
3- The folks that just wanted to make a Romulan by any means necessary and fly a D'Deridex. The "I'll take what I can get" philosophy.
I'm not sure your complaints will find a sympathetic ear among that cacophony.
There's also a 4th category: Those of us who see the whole game as a mutilation of canon and so don't consider another mutilation to be any big deal. We know we're not playing canon Trek and so just accept it for what it is.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
There's also a 4th category: Those of us who see the whole game as a mutilation of canon and so don't consider another mutilation to be any big deal. We know we're not playing canon Trek and so just accept it for what it is.
Works for me. Given that this story started out as J'mpok throwing a temper tantrum after a bunch of refugees kicked his butt (with help), and now how him embracing those same refugrees to send to kill their fellow refugees, the logic of it all just makes little Vulcans cry. On the other hand, when I roll a Rom Sci and go Fed with her, I can use her Rom ship or drop her in a Vesta, and when I roll a Rom Tac and go KDF, she can gear out her warbird with all the fun KDF consoles. Doesn't make sense, but hopefully it'll be fun.
There's also a 4th category: Those of us who see the whole game as a mutilation of canon and so don't consider another mutilation to be any big deal. We know we're not playing canon Trek and so just accept it for what it is.
This is an aside but the mutilation of the canon is really a choice by the individual player. This is a bit of a sandbox game. You can choose to have your Liberated Borg captain with Jem'hadar crew flying a D'Kora under the Federation flag but you do not have to do so. As a fan of the shows, you can stick with the canon if you choose to do so without any issues.
I do have a Ferengi captain flying a D'kora but he has an entirely Ferengi crew with the exception of a Dopterian and a Nausciann. This works with canon.
The Romulans that are fought in the game are part of the Tal'shair. I think it is established that the Tal'shair and the Romulan Republic on New Romulus do not see eye to eye on things. As far as how attached a Romulan player gets to their allies is up to them. You do not have to do things you feel would go against your character and canon.
I do have a Ferengi captain flying a D'kora but he has an entirely Ferengi crew with the exception of a Dopterian and a Nausciann. This works with canon.
He's also a Starfleet Vice-Admiral whom, upon setting foot on New Romulus is promptly tasked with collecting clumsily discarded engineering reports and spraying bugs.
He's also a Starfleet Vice-Admiral whom, upon setting foot on New Romulus is promptly tasked with collecting clumsily discarded engineering reports and spraying bugs.
How's that working with canon?
No, he is a DiaMon in the Ferengi Alliance who has dual citizenship with UFP. Most of the time he is flying around doing trade missions. :-) He does assist the Federation when there is a profit to be made...
No, he is a DiaMon in the Ferengi Alliance who has dual citizenship with UFP. Most of the time he is flying around doing trade missions. :-) He does assist the Federation when there is a profit to be made...
I'm going to relax from all this. I'm EXTREMELY disappointed of course...
BUT (and it's a big but)...
I wasn't looking forward to the grind of a third SB.
However, they should've kept the Romulans separate. By leaning on the Fed and KDf, they won't be able to stand on their own. Besides, by waiting on possibly putting in a Romulan Starbase, then if they ever do, Romulans will STILL have to start from scratch, and be even FURTHER behind than Feds and KDF are now.
Having them mix up with Fed and KDF, really can only hurt things to a point. I mean, there's probably gonna be a LOT of Fed-Romulans regardless.
Honestly, at this point I'm not as shocked or surprised as I thought I was going to be though.
Here's what I'm gonna do:
Reman Tac (There'd better be Remans somehow. I don't care if they're Zen-cost, Romulan rep cost, or whatever, let me MAKE one) Ground specced toon.
Romulan Engineer mixed specced toon
Romulan or Lib. Borg Romulan (hopefully) science Unknown spec as of this time.
And all of em are gonna go on the KDF side. Because regardless of what happens with the many multitudes of Fed-Roms, the KDf DOES still have the larger amount of cloaking-based ships. I don't see any B'rel-equal on the Fed side, or the various Fed-escorts all cloaking, just the Defiant and Gal-X.
Sure there will be Romulan ships for those Romulan players, but even so, only KDF will have more options and gear focused around cloaking.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
.I do have a Ferengi captain flying a D'kora but he has an entirely Ferengi crew with the exception of a Dopterian and a Nausciann. This works with canon.
Well personally the whole thing does not bother me too much - I will still roll a Romulan toon which will ally with my KDF fleet and I will role a Romulan which will ally with my Fed fleet.
It is what it is. They have made a game decision - no amount of feedback/opinions/whining or complaining is going to cause them to change the set-up now. I mean we are only weeks away from testing on tribble which means this is a done deal - they won't be a stand alone faction now and possibly ever. We just have to accept that.
My only concern is that there was not much mentioned about anything KDF coming and the fact that Fed players essentially got there cloaked ships and now there is even less reason to roll KDF.
The talk about new ships - new Costumes - new shinnies etc etc - in the store for the Rommies has me wondering if they will do anything for the KDF in this update that makes someone want to start a new KDF at level 1. Chances are not very good it seems.
I was hopefull for the KDF when I started this thread, but now I only see the KDF becoming even more pushed out the door.
I for one will be taking my Romulan over to the KDF! Two reasons:
First to keep the theme of being a 'bad guy'. Second to be even better at being bad (in the private RP in my head) as I will be manipulating those smelly space-Viking buffoons to further the goals of true Romulans!
I started a Klink to get the free anniversary ship and have been playing him a bit here and there. I enjoy my Klingon. When I get a Romulan too, my Fed is not gonna get much love for a good long while as I will throw myself into experiencing the 'other side'. Cheers to the KDF, one more will join your ranks! Qapla!!
I for one will be taking my Romulan over to the KDF! Two reasons:
First to keep the theme of being a 'bad guy'. Second to be even better at being bad (in the private RP in my head) as I will be manipulating those smelly space-Viking buffoons to further the goals of true Romulans!
I started a Klink to get the free anniversary ship and have been playing him a bit here and there. I enjoy my Klingon. When I get a Romulan too, my Fed is not gonna get much love for a good long while as I will throw myself into experiencing the 'other side'. Cheers to the KDF, one more will join your ranks! Qapla!!
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True, but it's always the same one for each chain. Granted, you can degrind them to blues and get new ones that way. It's still an annoying quirk where I can just more smoothly endlessly generate new doffs by sending refugees to asylums on Fed side. Doffing used to be my main gameplay past-time, so it's kinda important to me. But I'll work with what I get. Hopefully there will be at least some unique Romulan doff missions too.
If I remember right there is a mission on the KDF side where a critical success gives you refugees. I would have to go in game and look around. Success in just CXP and critical gives the refugees - as in more than 1 I think.
just checked - found one in sector space it's called:
"Offer sanctuary to refugees from Federation aggression"
Its under Development - takes 2 duty officers - 4hr mission
1 advisor/diplo + 1 other
"A critical success will add refugees to your crew"
It's just an easier choice overall. The feds get all the goodies, all the development attention and all the customization options.
As long as the Warbird class ships are as powerful as KDF ships, the real draw of the "other side" kind of doesn't stack up against the "road more travelled."
grr - it's looking worse and worse for the KDF with every post
Stop it people - I do not want to hear logic about how this will doom the KDF!!
"Why go KDF for cloak if you can go Fedomulan" Is that going to be the Fed's new recruiting slogan(I trademarked it and retain all future rights and royalties:(:) )
Fly around in Cardassian space. There's several "officer exchange" missions that let you turn white/green Doffs into Blue/Purples with a very high chance of success and they are uncommon instead of rare for the refugee asylum missions. Plus, you can use ANY white/green officer, including those otherwise worthless science officers.
Also, keep an eye out for "instigate a defection" to get some fed doffs on your side. But that one's very rare.
Apparently from most of the responses so far it won't matter much as everyone will be a Fedomulan:(
Well KDF will at least keep most KDF players that roll Romulans due to having already invested in consoles like leech and AA. Hopefullly KDF having better Z-store consoles would encourage some Feds rolling Romulans to go KDF also. Why would you want to go Fed side if you can use the same ship on KDF side and have better consoles.
I wasn't talking about PVP primarily, though it applies there. Have you tried to 'farm' Fleet Marks on KDF side ever? I put it in quotes because farming implies that its possible to successfully queue up repeatedly. Having separate Romulan faction starbases would not only mean starting over, it would mean starting over with, again, long queues.
Seriously, queue up for a Fleet Action on a KDF toon and start a timer. The whole PVE queue issue has made Fed overpopulation a self-fulfilling prophecy. Anybody who might want to try another faction, unless they're extremely dedicated (like those of us who DO play KDF mains), will be driven back to Fed side just out of ease of use.
1- The KDF who felt that this is the typical treatment Cryptic gives non-fed factions. A sort of "We told you so" type of feeling.
2- The Feddies. Who want new toys and don't want to be bothered with other factions. The "We are the majority and Cryptic has to make a profit and the shows were about us anyways" type of reasoning.
And
3- The folks that just wanted to make a Romulan by any means necessary and fly a D'Deridex. The "I'll take what I can get" philosophy.
I'm not sure your complaints will find a sympathetic ear among that cacophony.
There is alot of truth in this, especially going by what happened with other titles when a new group appears for play. I fully expect the Romulans to be overfilling with people when the update happens. I personally will roll one to see what it has (I have 5 KDF, 3 Fed toons, yes I'm an Altaholic). But by and large, I will settle back down to my home, my roots: Back to the KDF.
Regarding the Romulans as a true, standalone faction, kind of disappointed that they're not. The New Romulan Empire is weak and cannot hold onto its own forces that will shuffle off into the Federation or Klingon Empire, fight, and in all likeliness, kill their own people also.
Works for me. Given that this story started out as J'mpok throwing a temper tantrum after a bunch of refugees kicked his butt (with help), and now how him embracing those same refugrees to send to kill their fellow refugees, the logic of it all just makes little Vulcans cry. On the other hand, when I roll a Rom Sci and go Fed with her, I can use her Rom ship or drop her in a Vesta, and when I roll a Rom Tac and go KDF, she can gear out her warbird with all the fun KDF consoles. Doesn't make sense, but hopefully it'll be fun.
This is an aside but the mutilation of the canon is really a choice by the individual player. This is a bit of a sandbox game. You can choose to have your Liberated Borg captain with Jem'hadar crew flying a D'Kora under the Federation flag but you do not have to do so. As a fan of the shows, you can stick with the canon if you choose to do so without any issues.
I do have a Ferengi captain flying a D'kora but he has an entirely Ferengi crew with the exception of a Dopterian and a Nausciann. This works with canon.
The Romulans that are fought in the game are part of the Tal'shair. I think it is established that the Tal'shair and the Romulan Republic on New Romulus do not see eye to eye on things. As far as how attached a Romulan player gets to their allies is up to them. You do not have to do things you feel would go against your character and canon.
He's also a Starfleet Vice-Admiral whom, upon setting foot on New Romulus is promptly tasked with collecting clumsily discarded engineering reports and spraying bugs.
How's that working with canon?
No, he is a DiaMon in the Ferengi Alliance who has dual citizenship with UFP. Most of the time he is flying around doing trade missions. :-) He does assist the Federation when there is a profit to be made...
Your game sounds better than mine *sad face*
I'm going to relax from all this. I'm EXTREMELY disappointed of course...
BUT (and it's a big but)...
I wasn't looking forward to the grind of a third SB.
However, they should've kept the Romulans separate. By leaning on the Fed and KDf, they won't be able to stand on their own. Besides, by waiting on possibly putting in a Romulan Starbase, then if they ever do, Romulans will STILL have to start from scratch, and be even FURTHER behind than Feds and KDF are now.
Having them mix up with Fed and KDF, really can only hurt things to a point. I mean, there's probably gonna be a LOT of Fed-Romulans regardless.
Honestly, at this point I'm not as shocked or surprised as I thought I was going to be though.
Here's what I'm gonna do:
Reman Tac (There'd better be Remans somehow. I don't care if they're Zen-cost, Romulan rep cost, or whatever, let me MAKE one) Ground specced toon.
Romulan Engineer mixed specced toon
Romulan or Lib. Borg Romulan (hopefully) science Unknown spec as of this time.
And all of em are gonna go on the KDF side. Because regardless of what happens with the many multitudes of Fed-Roms, the KDf DOES still have the larger amount of cloaking-based ships. I don't see any B'rel-equal on the Fed side, or the various Fed-escorts all cloaking, just the Defiant and Gal-X.
Sure there will be Romulan ships for those Romulan players, but even so, only KDF will have more options and gear focused around cloaking.
It is what it is. They have made a game decision - no amount of feedback/opinions/whining or complaining is going to cause them to change the set-up now. I mean we are only weeks away from testing on tribble which means this is a done deal - they won't be a stand alone faction now and possibly ever. We just have to accept that.
My only concern is that there was not much mentioned about anything KDF coming and the fact that Fed players essentially got there cloaked ships and now there is even less reason to roll KDF.
The talk about new ships - new Costumes - new shinnies etc etc - in the store for the Rommies has me wondering if they will do anything for the KDF in this update that makes someone want to start a new KDF at level 1. Chances are not very good it seems.
I was hopefull for the KDF when I started this thread, but now I only see the KDF becoming even more pushed out the door.
only time will tell.
He's trying, give him some credit.
First to keep the theme of being a 'bad guy'. Second to be even better at being bad (in the private RP in my head) as I will be manipulating those smelly space-Viking buffoons to further the goals of true Romulans!
I started a Klink to get the free anniversary ship and have been playing him a bit here and there. I enjoy my Klingon. When I get a Romulan too, my Fed is not gonna get much love for a good long while as I will throw myself into experiencing the 'other side'. Cheers to the KDF, one more will join your ranks! Qapla!!
Good to hear.
Shall I chalk this up as a protest vote?