Is it time to upgrade my Jem'Hadar Dreadnought?

petaluma1 · March 2013

With all of new weapons and consoles coming out of the Fleet Bases and Romulan Embassies

is it time to ReSpec and upgrade my existing build. What do you recommend?

Whats the best layout setup for this ship? I'm a Tac Officer and have access to to T4 Fleet Base and T3 Romulan Embassy.

I also have an unpacked bug ship but I'm not using it because I'm using the Ultra Elite Romulan Hangers pets out of the Reputation system.

Thanks in advance for your recommendation.

droim · March 2013

The following is my build for strictly PVE content, I have a bug ship to handle pvp

Deflector/Engine/Shields: Jem'Hadar Space Set MK XII

Fore Weapons:

Aft Weapons:

3x Phased Polaron Beam Array MK XII [CrtD]x2(Very Rare)

Engineering Consoles:

Science Consoles:

Tactical Consoles:
4x Polaron Phase Modulator Mk XII (rare)

Hanger:
2x Advanced Jem'Hadar Attack Ship

BOFF Abilities
Lieutenant Universal(science):
[Hazard Emitters 1]
[Hazard Emitters 2]

Commander Tactical:
[Tactical Team 1]
[Torpedo Spread 2]
[Beam Fire at Will 3]
[Attack Pattern Beta 3]

Lieutenant Tactical:
[Tactical Team 1]
[Attack Pattern Beta 1]

Lieutenant Commander Engineering:
[EPT Shields]
[Directed Energy 1]
[Reverse Shield Polarity 2]

Ensign Science:
[Transfer Shield Strength 1]

DOFF Choices
3x Projectile Weapons Officers
2x Flight Deck Officers (reduce recharge on hanger bays)

Notes:

The Jem'Hadar Attack Ship pets (especially the advanced) outperform the scorpion's from romulan reputation in raw damage potential

The Wide angle quantum is the perfect torpedo for this boat, but the build will fly just fine with something else there, good choices are the bio neural warhead, standard quantum torpedo, or temperal disruption device

If you do use a 'special' torpedo in place of the wide angle adjust bridge officer abilities and DOFF's to reflect that

This build as has a small arc on each side that allows a full beam broadside + torpedos, use this arc as much as you possibly can

If I had extra science boffs I would probably run two copies of hazard emitter 1 and a copy of transfer shield strength 2, but I use the double hazard emitter setup on another ship

Your mileage may vary, but this is hands down my favorite ship for most PVE enviroments

overmaximusmax · March 2013

Currently this is my setup:
3x Romulan DHC, Romulan Hyper Torp
2x Romulan Turret, KCB
Omega shield (for extra turn rate)
Adapted Maco Deflector
Adapted Maco Engine
Tachyokinetic, Zero Point, Assimilated Module, RCS console
Fleet -thr shield emitter, field generator
3x Plasma Infuser, 1x Ambiplasma Envelope
2x Elite Scorpions
LT Uni: Tactical Team, Torpedo High Yield
Com Tac: Tactical Team, Attack Pattern Beta, Torpedo Spread, Cannon Scatter Volley
Lt. Com Tac: Torpedo Spread, Cannon Scatter Volley
Lt. Com Eng: Emergency to Shields, Emergency to Shields, Aux to Struct
Ens Sci: Hazard Emitters

This is pretty much the only ship I fly anymore. I find the dreads crew takes care of a lot of the repairs just by themselves. Two tactical teams and two EPTS means your shields can take one hell of a beating before they go down. I like having torp spreads for the hyper torpedo, because torp spread means more hyper torpedos flooding the field. Plus if your DHC's tend to kill off all the small things after a torp spread hyper, you've now got a billion hyper torpedoes heading for the big guy. Cannon scatter volley is more useful to me than CRF. Mostly because AOE tends to be a bit better in most situations.

I like to fly my dread like a dread. You sit still, siege the hell out of a target, and if anything becomes annoying, sick your fighters on em. This is definitely my favorite ship in the game.

squishkin · March 2013

I have...hmm.

Fore Weapons:
4x Advanced Fleet Polaron Dual Heavy Cannons

Aft:
2x Advanced Fleet Polaron Turrets / 1x Kinetic Cutting Beam

Shield:
Mk XII MACO

Engine:
Mk XII Jem'Hadar

Deflector:
Mk XII Jem'Hadar

Engineering Consoles (4):
Tachyokinetic, Zero-Point, RCS Mk XII, RCS Mk XII

Science Consoles (2):
Assimilated, Field Gen

Tactical Consoles (4):

4x Polaron Phase Modulator

Hangar:
2x Elite Scorpion Fighters or 2x Jem'Hadar Attack Ship (haven't decided whether it's worth getting the Advanced versions).

Commander Tactical: TT1, CSV1, CSV2, APO3
Lt. Tactical: TT1, APB1
Lt. Commander Engineer: EPtS1, RSP2, Aux2SiF3
Ens. Sci: TSS1
Lt. Uni (Sci): HE1, PH2

Much like Overmaximusmax, I mostly use her as a siege ship. While I get 13-14 turn even before APO or Evasive Maneuvers (mostly so I can actually get my cannons on target, especially Borg trash in STFs), the most damage is done by cruising into range, heaving to, and then opening up with everything cannon while the fighters go off and blow up **** (the Elite Scorps are especially good for this).

This is quite different from how I outfitted my Recluse (plasma beams/torps, mostly for broadsiding and torpedo volleys) but in some ways, it's much more satisfying.

If I had to compare it to anything, I would probably compare it to flying a D'Kora Marauder in a cannon configuration, and I play it accordingly. Do everything you can to maximize your cannon time on target and let your heavy hull and shields take most of the beating for you.

I'd like an extra point of turn to make it equivalent to the Kar'fi in that sense, but she's not half bad this way.

xantris · March 2013

droim wrote: »

Notes:

The Jem'Hadar Attack Ship pets (especially the advanced) outperform the scorpion's from romulan reputation in raw damage potential

No, unfortunately they do not. At least not if your utilizing your carrier properly, which means lowering launch times about as low as they can go(good Aux and 3x purple Flight Deck Doffs). The HY1 Plasmas of newly launched Elite Scorpions every 6-7 seconds far outstrips the damage potential of the Adv Jem'hadars.

Don't make the mistake of wasting resources on the attack ships.

droim · March 2013

xantris wrote: »

No, unfortunately they do not. At least not if your utilizing your carrier properly, which means lowering launch times about as low as they can go(good Aux and 3x purple Flight Deck Doffs). The HY1 Plasmas of newly launched Elite Scorpions every 6-7 seconds far outstrips the damage potential of the Adv Jem'hadars.

Don't make the mistake of wasting resources on the attack ships.

I have tested 1 hanger of the Elite Scorpions directly vs 1 hanger of Jem'hadar attack ships (bug ship, not the fighters) running my third hanger officer and the jem'hadar ships came out ahead.

To be fair this was against a shielded target, so the anti proton sweeps, while not extremely powerful, did play a role. The scorpions are probably still the most raw damage vs unshielded targets simply due to the raw number of torpedoes. I will have to test that and see.

doughboy2 · March 2013

Below is my current setup...seems to work well...working to upgrade Field Generator and maybe replace RCS with something more usefull.

Deflector/Engine/Shields: Jem'Hadar Space Set MK XII

Fore Weapons:
1x Phased Polaron Beam Array MK XII (Very Rare)
1x Wide Angle Quantum Torpedo Launcher
1X Dual Phased Polaron beam bank MK XII (Very Rare)
1X AF Poloraon Beam MK XII (Very Rare)

Aft Weapons:
1x Phased Polaron Beam Array MK XII (Very Rare)
1X AF Poloraon Beam MK XII (Very Rare)
1X Kenetic Cutting Beam MX XII

Engineering Consoles:
Zero Point Energy Conduit
Assmiliated Module
Point Defense
RCS Xi (Very Rare)

Science Consoles:
Field Generator Mk XI (Rare)
Shield Emitter Array Mk XII (Rare)

Tactical Consoles:
4x Polaron Phase Modulator Mk XII (rare)

Hanger:
1x Advanced Jem'Hadar Fighter (very Rare)
1x Elite Scorpion fighter (Ultra Rare)

DOFF Choices
3x Projectile Weapons Officers
1x Energy weapon officer (sub system recharge)
1x Flight Deck Officers (reduce recharge on hanger bays)

petaluma1 · March 2013

Thanks everyone, not much support for loading the Jem'hadar Attack Ship. Please keep the comments going I'm still intrested in reading all about this ship. I do like and I fly it most of the time in between flying my MVAM and Steamrunner. Dis did se that most did not buy the Jem'hadar full upgraded space set from the Lobi store, Why not buy or load it?

squishkin · March 2013

petaluma1 wrote: »

Thanks everyone, not much support for loading the Jem'hadar Attack Ship. Please keep the comments going I'm still intrested in reading all about this ship. I do like and I fly it most of the time in between flying my MVAM and Steamrunner. Dis did se that most did not buy the Jem'hadar full upgraded space set from the Lobi store, Why not buy or load it?

I have it, but it's very expensive. The benefits that I mostly take advantage of (over the Mk XI version) is +2.5 weapons power, +5% polaron damage, and +11 power insulators. That's not bad, but is it worth 200 lobi (which is probably the equivalent of 50m EC)? Eh, not unless you have the lobi to spare.

Personally I am undecided as to whether or not the Mk XII Jem'Hadar shield is better than the MACO Mk XII shield. The Jem'Hadar shield has less regeneration (173.4 compared to 199.4 base) and less capacity (5224 compared to 7,775.9, at least according to stowiki), and I like the [plas] and power conduit link of the MACO.

But with the Jem'hadar, you get +10 kinetic resistance, antiproton sweep, and Victory is Life.

So far, I've stuck with the MACO shield and the two piece + MACO seems to work well enough.

vexashen · March 2013

Romulan weapon setup

http://www.stoacademy.com/tools/skillplanner/?build=vexdread1_3060

Phased Polaron weapon setup

http://www.stoacademy.com/tools/skillplanner/?build=vexdread2_3060

For doffs i run 2 attack pattern conn officers and 2 damage control engineers with the 10% damage to borg doff. All purples

This is a klingon toon but you can drop the plasmonic leech in favor of the tachyokinetic.

Both versions are capable of massive damage in pve

The strategy is full on broadsides while unleashing your pets as they are available.

momaw · March 2013

Apparently I'm unusual in that I use my Jemnaught as an artillery platform rather than a cannons platform.

Front weapons are dual beam, beam array, and 2 photon torpedo launchers. Rear weapons are cutting beam and 2 turrets. 3 projectile officers and 2 flight deck officers on duty. I have High Yield 2 in both tactical LT slots, then APB2 and APB3 on the higher slots. 2 disruptor coils, 2 photon detonation consoles, plus the KHG 2-piece bonus to torpedo damage.

I just sit waaaaaay in the back and spam torpedoes and fighters, while my APB keeps the target taking elevated damage from everything thrown at it.

vexashen · March 2013

One thing to note on my skill builds that I posted. I use that build on 5 different ships. A fleet bop, the carrier, the bug ship, a fleet vorcha and a krenn. So it is a bit of a generalist build. The 9 points in stealth dont do much for the carrier. But I live or die by not being seen in my bop.

transam83 · March 2013

Quoted:
Notes:

The Jem'Hadar Attack Ship pets (especially the advanced) outperform the scorpion's from romulan reputation in raw damage potential

NO THEY DO NOT. I OWN BOTH, ELITE SCORPIONS are SUPERIOR. GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.

squishkin · March 2013

transam83 wrote: »

The Jem'Hadar Attack Ship pets (especially the advanced) outperform the scorpion's from romulan reputation in raw damage potential

NO THEY DO NOT. I OWN BOTH, ELITE SCORPIONS are SUPERIOR. GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.

Well, can you provide some figures?

westx211 · March 2013

I always thought that they were about equal in performance.

thepantsparty · March 2013

The elite scorpions are better and it's not really close. A few people I know run the advanced JHAS pets and they average ~1.5 DPS/hanger when I've parsed it, I run elite scorpions and they average ~2.1-2.2k DPS/hanger.

vexashen · March 2013

ive parsed the jhas pets as high as 2.5k. but regularly they come in at 1.5. they have the potential for 2.5k but they dont always hit that mark.

momaw · March 2013

If we're all on a combat parsing lark, do remember to make sure that Elite Scorpions are getting credit for their heavy plasma torpedoes. Because the torpedoes are an "officer" and not direct damage caused by the fighter, some parsers can put them into their own category.

westx211 · March 2013

I have 5 phased polaron beam arrays and I'm still often taking 1st in fleet actions in my jem'hadar dreadnought.

Is it time to upgrade my Jem'Hadar Dreadnought?

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