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redshirtthefirstredshirtthefirst Member Posts: 415 Arc User
edited March 2013 in Klingon Discussion
So, if I take This link for official, You will be able to start a Klingon at lvl 1.

From there, will there be any content filling the gaps? Who knows, I hope there will or it will go against the reason of why KDF was condensed in the first place to avoid spread leveling content and grind.

That is aside from a new UI that seem more Klingon-esque and less eye bleeding looking...

Thoughts?
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  • farmallmfarmallm Member Posts: 4,630 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    I don't know, but the site looked sweet. Playing a Romulan will be very sweet as well. Good thing when I bought 2 additional Character slots. I saved one open for now, when I created my 3rd to be my tactical captain.
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  • dixa1dixa1 Member Posts: 92 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    i was really hoping we wouldnt have a third faction

    the game doesn't properly support 2 as is.
  • scififan78scififan78 Member Posts: 1,383 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    dixa1 wrote: »
    i was really hoping we wouldnt have a third faction

    the game doesn't properly support 2 as is.

    If you look at the link, you would see that you can start ANY of the three factions from lvl 1. It will be much clearer once the English site is updated.
  • diogene0diogene0 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    My hopes are on new episodes and not on a rabbit tagging and pigs hunting from lvl 1 to 20. :rolleyes:
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    diogene0 wrote: »
    My hopes are on new episodes and not on a rabbit tagging and pigs hunting from lvl 1 to 20. :rolleyes:

    Romulans and Klingons saving Captain Brott...
  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    diogene0 wrote: »
    My hopes are on new episodes and not on a rabbit tagging and pigs hunting from lvl 1 to 20. :rolleyes:

    I dunno I would not mind hunting Saber bear:D
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  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    I'm very happy about all of this. :D

    Starting from level 1 is something that the KDF never had before. This is a BIG step in the right direction for the KDF! :)

    Having a Romulan faction is a BIG step in the right direction for STO! It is a fresh breath for the game and the game just became much more interesting. ;)
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  • stirling191stirling191 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    shpoks wrote: »
    Starting from level 1 is something that the KDF never had before. This is a BIG step in the right direction for the KDF! :)

    While technically correct (original KDF started at I believe 5?) you're mostly wrong. KDF started out at low levels before, and had zero content. You had to grind star cluster missions for the first 20-30 levels or so.

    Without details on how Cryptic plans on plugging that content gap, I'm not impressed.
  • cmdrskyfallercmdrskyfaller Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    So, if I take This link for official, You will be able to start a Klingon at lvl 1.

    From there, will there be any content filling the gaps? Who knows, I hope there will or it will go against the reason of why KDF was condensed in the first place to avoid spread leveling content and grind.

    That is aside from a new UI that seem more Klingon-esque and less eye bleeding looking...

    Thoughts?


    #1 - The only content KDF gets is the lame tutorial and perhaps 2 hastily put together 1-30 level missions. I bet it will be just one set of missions that levels you up quickly to 30...its the easiest, lazy way to just use the existing 30->50 mission sets.

    #2 - Now that KDF starts at level 1 we could have seen an increase in player base which could lead to KDF receiving some 3-year waiting attention. Sadly, the romulan faction will also start in level 1 and now KDF numbers will never reach the numbers needed for the metrics to show KDF is worthy of some love.

    Why? Simple, their metrics shows number of characters. Every Fed and KDF player will open at least 1 romulan account. POW metrics shift to romulan over fed and KDF left in the far low metric readings. Not just third place but third place with a fraction of the characters the romulan and federation factions have.

    This means one thing: KDF will never receive a single season dedicated to them. Ever. Cryptic will be too busy rabidly monetizing the romulan faction... and working on the next faction that will be playable after it.. which will be ready in about 1 year time. Why one year? Easy: Each faction is also a resource time sink. FLEETS. Fleet starbase tier 5 take a year. Do you think its a coincidence a brand new faction that will require a year's worth of grinding just happens to be added when most fleets in the game are about to reach tier 5 starbase?
  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    While technically correct (original KDF started at I believe 5?) you're mostly wrong. KDF started out at low levels before, and had zero content. You had to grind star cluster missions for the first 20-30 levels or so.

    Without details on how Cryptic plans on plugging that content gap, I'm not impressed.

    Yeah, but thaw was ages ago. I believe Cryptic has finally walked out of their though period (Atari, purchased by PWE, going f2p), their staff has doubled and we can all start watching the results now.

    They did mention that a new FEs will be released in the next update, so thay'd be my clue of how they plan to fill that lvl 1 to 20 gap.
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  • schneemann83schneemann83 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Klingon progression 1-20 and new tutorial:

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  • stirling191stirling191 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    shpoks wrote: »
    Yeah, but thaw was ages ago. I believe Cryptic has finally walked out of their though period (Atari, purchased by PWE, going f2p), their staff has doubled and we can all start watching the results now.

    They did mention that a new FEs will be released in the next update, so thay'd be my clue of how they plan to fill that lvl 1 to 20 gap.

    Unless Cryptic is sitting on a massive low level FE (IE: 10+ missions) I don't see that alone being enough to bridge the 1-20 divide.
  • gerwalk0769gerwalk0769 Member Posts: 1,095 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Given the announcement of the new faction, I really feel badly for KDF players. I'm a Fed, but I hope they fill the KDF faction out sooner than later.

    I understand that PW/CRYP choices are driven by numbers, as pointed out by numerous interviews, but from what I've read from the players, ye gads, the Klingon faction really needs more attention.

    What?!! Shiny new faction...I mean object?!
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  • lordmalak1lordmalak1 Member Posts: 4,681 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    There's just not enough information to support being a happy klingon player. Cryptics history with the KDF doesn't evoke warm an fuzzy feelings when thinking about those added 20 levels of content allowing toon start at level 1. I can just see all those early fed missions cut-and-pasted to the other factions with little editing.

    We'll see in the next few weeks, but I'm more worried about the trait rework than happy about any low level content that most will only play once in their characters lifetime.
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  • benovidebenovide Member Posts: 397
    edited March 2013
    In April KDF is getting a full content overhaul. At least that's what's been stated, unless they are blowing smoke.

    There is also content from the Romulans that can be crossed over Klingon Side.

    I don't care to play from level 1 again as a Klingon, since I'm level 47 as it is on my main KDF. I look forward to the Tholian STFs and new Tholian Space Set, though.
  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Look, guys, and this comes from a player that still doesn't have a Federation VA. :D
    I have been trying to get my Andorian up, but that is going rather slowly. I am a dedicated KDF player in this game.

    At this point we really should let bygones be bygones. In all honesty, as much unhappy as I am about the KDF being neglected, Cryptic went through many changes and problems in the past and I guess they did what they thought to be the best to keep the game allive. As far as I can see, it worked. Now, standing at much more stable ground and their dev. team doubled they can do more. That they couldn't do something in the past does not mean that they won't be able to do it in the future.

    At this moment, we have no proof that they wont deliver. And all I've seen so far seems very positive for everyone in this game. Well.....maybe except the Feds. - imagine the whining of having to deal with 2 factions that can cloak their ships! lol :D

    They said the KDF will become a full faction before any new faction. Being able to start as lvl 1 seems to me that they plan to deliver on it. Mind you, I don't expect any other faction to be as "full" as the Federation is. So, we really don't have to hold any grudges for the RR over this.

    And I really don't want to read posts against the Romulan faction on this side of the forums.
    It is their job, as some of the Romulan fans stated that they wish the KDF would cease to exist. They're the spies, liars and deceivers, so let them do it.
    We're the honorable ones. And as such, I'm happy for all the true Romulan fans that finally got what they've been fighting for over the last 3 years.
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  • oldkhemaraaoldkhemaraa Member Posts: 1,039 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    we'll see what we see, when we see it.

    Now they start the marketting blitz *sigh* for the Rommy's.

    I'm jelous. The Rommy leader has a voice.. They get to hear Sela's sultry voice in breifing.

    Just hope we get our content. Noticed a TOS warbird cruiser tearing up a romulan frigate in the teaser. Looks like rommys get new romulus rep. I assume we'll see them in action against the Borg.

    Players apparently will get to customize hud colors somewhat so maybe that'll drag a few feds over who scream so much about the KDF HUD colors. The color pallet isn't that different from the old SFC hud colors... don't recall people carping about those though. *shugs again*

    Other then stating clearly that starting players can go with any faction not much information for us KDF. Got a 100 GPL says we will continue to not have much said untill its launched for our content. If theres no information its real hard for folks to complain about anything other then no information.

    On the other hand, they certainly have been busy little beavers.....

    I'm still seriously concerned about mission content. There are a number of fairly obvious RSE story arcs concerning the recovery of the RSE faction after the Hobus nova, including several previously touched apon in the federation story arcs but from a Romulan point of view. ((its entirely possible for the RSE to have achived a successfull fielding of ixed Romulan and borg tech ships even with federation interfearence. Cats out of the bag on that one anyway. adapted Borg sets anyone?))

    So, many possibilities of various story arcs for the Rom. More hurry up and wait to see what they are going to do for the larger KDF faction (if previous Trek multiplayer games are anything to go on)

    I wonder if starting player are going to be bumped to an additional starting character slot so they have a single mandatory Fed, KDF, and RSE slot, or if the manatory's are going to be done away with?

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  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited March 2013

    I'm jelous. The Rommy leader has a voice.. They get to hear Sela's sultry voice in breifing.

    I'm not jealous. I'd pay money not to hear Sela's sultry voice in briefing! lol :D

    P.S. I have nothing against Denise Crosby, I'm happy that she's working with Cryptic on STO. Any other voiceover of hers (ex.Tasha Yar), sure....but Sela.....grrrrrr :mad: :P
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  • pwedisplaynamepwedisplayname Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    While technically correct (original KDF started at I believe 5?) you're mostly wrong. KDF started out at low levels before, and had zero content. You had to grind star cluster missions for the first 20-30 levels or so.

    Without details on how Cryptic plans on plugging that content gap, I'm not impressed.

    Details? OK... Let me get out my DevSpy.

    "Let's take, I dunno, the top 25 player written missions and convert them. BOOM!"

    Huh. I wasn't expecting that.
  • gstamo01gstamo01 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    I figure they will have two sets of missions for Romulans, with one of those sets being shared with Klingons and expect the kdf players to be all happy about it.
    You know Cryptic has Jumped the Proverbial Shark when they introduced Tractor Pulling to Star Trek Online! :D
  • doffingcomradedoffingcomrade Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    While I can't say I'm particularly enthused about this outcome, it seems like a generally good move for the KDF as a whole: Players become attached to their first characters first and foremost, and often stick to them in spite of their inevitably flawed choices. Only a small fraction of players are altaholics and are unlikely to make more characters that they put effort into.

    But I, for one, intend to get all my Klingon-making done BEFORE they add another pointless 20 levels of extended-newbie-tutorial TRIBBLE.
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  • lordrezeonlordrezeon Member Posts: 399 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Well this certainly doesn't bode well for the future of KDF development.

    Despite some very vague rumors, I'm not seeing much in the way of details pertaining to filling in that early level gap for the KDF. At best I think all we can hope for is remastered versions of some of the early Fed missions that are tweaked to be Klingon and Romulan neutral. We might get a fancier tutorial mission for the KDF, but I'm not expecting much in the way of unique content.

    The only thing that we have confirmed at this point is that they are finally giving the KDF the ability to be playable from the start. Aside from that it appears they are ready to stick a fork in the faction as they are done with it.


    Sadly since game development is a zero sum game this means the majority of development resources for the KDF will be drying up. The KDF will probably be left with the scraps from lock boxes, rep system stuff, and fleet ship variants... well that and whatever new bugs pop up when they implement this massive update.
  • startuxstartux Member Posts: 135 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Excellent news, and with the new movie coming out soon this is rather good timing. I doubt the tutorial will be up to the level we see with the Fed's (it doesn't have to be), but neither do I see it being at the level it was before.
  • startuxstartux Member Posts: 135 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    lordrezeon wrote: »
    Well this certainly doesn't bode well for the future of KDF development.

    Despite some very vague rumors, I'm not seeing much in the way of details pertaining to filling in that early level gap for the KDF. At best I think all we can hope for is remastered versions of some of the early Fed missions that are tweaked to be Klingon and Romulan neutral. We might get a fancier tutorial mission for the KDF, but I'm not expecting much in the way of unique content.

    The only thing that we have confirmed at this point is that they are finally giving the KDF the ability to be playable from the start. Aside from that it appears they are ready to stick a fork in the faction as they are done with it.


    Sadly since game development is a zero sum game this means the majority of development resources for the KDF will be drying up. The KDF will probably be left with the scraps from lock boxes, rep system stuff, and fleet ship variants... well that and whatever new bugs pop up when they implement this massive update.

    Its going to be down to metrics in the medium to long run, which means spreading the news to the old players and new about these changes. If the numbers improve enough then Cryptic will invest the time.
  • gstamo01gstamo01 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Yet had they invested time, the numbers would have followed long ago..
    You know Cryptic has Jumped the Proverbial Shark when they introduced Tractor Pulling to Star Trek Online! :D
  • hawks3052hawks3052 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Starting at level 1 can mean much. Either the do much more content or the just accelerate level ups.
  • mikenight00mikenight00 Member Posts: 101 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    If you guys remember our discussions about the lack of kdf content, missions that leveled people up from level 1 to 25 ranked lower than more end game content, bug fixes, more costume options, and more ships. Yes getting missions from level 1-25 will increase our metrics, but really if that's all we get we are just being thrown another bone again to shut us up. We've been thrown bones before if you remember, and many of our main concerns still went unanswered.

    I think we've been patient enough. Come May 21st if we aren't shown a good faith effort to meet at least a majority of our demands, its time to revive the in-game protest idea along with contacting the game media to draw attention to this issue and our protest. No more angry forum posts it'll be time for real action.
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  • travelingmastertravelingmaster Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    benovide wrote: »
    In April KDF is getting a full content overhaul. At least that's what's been stated, unless they are blowing smoke.

    There is also content from the Romulans that can be crossed over Klingon Side.

    I don't care to play from level 1 again as a Klingon, since I'm level 47 as it is on my main KDF. I look forward to the Tholian STFs and new Tholian Space Set, though.

    The whole point of having a level 1 starting point is to help increase KDF numbers. Having the faction be an option to play right out the starting gate, combined with a UI that's easier on the eyes, should go some way towards increasing KDF numbers, or at least keeping them the same after some KDF players decide to switch to primarily Romulan. If KDF numbers increase at least a little bit, that gives the KDF a little more leverage when it comes to inquiring about new content, etc.

    I'd settle for a distribution like this: Federation 50%, KDF 25%, Romulan 25%. It will likely be a little less balanced in the end (more like Federation 60%, KDF 20%, Romulan 20%), but that's the general balance I'm hoping will happen. Federation will hog less of the game development resources as such, since they wouldn't have the clear majority.

    What's really gonna make things interesting is that the May release is probably gonna be coupled with the release of Star Trek Into Darkness. If Cryptic/PWE don't half-TRIBBLE the advertising and marketing, they'll get a nice boost in new players coming to the game. Combine THAT with all three factions being available for selection right from the start, and who knows where the population balance will end up?
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  • travelingmastertravelingmaster Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    shpoks wrote: »
    Look, guys, and this comes from a player that still doesn't have a Federation VA. :D
    I have been trying to get my Andorian up, but that is going rather slowly. I am a dedicated KDF player in this game.

    At this point we really should let bygones be bygones. In all honesty, as much unhappy as I am about the KDF being neglected, Cryptic went through many changes and problems in the past and I guess they did what they thought to be the best to keep the game allive. As far as I can see, it worked. Now, standing at much more stable ground and their dev. team doubled they can do more. That they couldn't do something in the past does not mean that they won't be able to do it in the future.

    At this moment, we have no proof that they wont deliver. And all I've seen so far seems very positive for everyone in this game. Well.....maybe except the Feds. - imagine the whining of having to deal with 2 factions that can cloak their ships! lol :D

    They said the KDF will become a full faction before any new faction. Being able to start as lvl 1 seems to me that they plan to deliver on it. Mind you, I don't expect any other faction to be as "full" as the Federation is. So, we really don't have to hold any grudges for the RR over this.

    And I really don't want to read posts against the Romulan faction on this side of the forums.
    It is their job, as some of the Romulan fans stated that they wish the KDF would cease to exist. They're the spies, liars and deceivers, so let them do it.
    We're the honorable ones. And as such, I'm happy for all the true Romulan fans that finally got what they've been fighting for over the last 3 years.

    I welcome a Romulan faction in PvP. More enemies to shoot at. Blowing up Federation space whales gets old after a while. Time to start blowing up Warbirds :)
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  • oldkhemaraaoldkhemaraa Member Posts: 1,039 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Of course they'll be new content to fill the gaps. heck. We might even get a new sector block to play in for some of the new content. Maybe we'll finally get a bunch of system patrol missions to fill in around the needed storyline content.

    We won't get quite everything we would like, but we are going to get quite a bit... for those of firmly into end game though it won't be that noticable..

    What we will get though is more players flying KDF and that will make a big difference..

    downside.. Lag like ESD when at Qo'nos.

    Next up on the hit parade should be new PvP content starting in the third quarter.
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