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Can we get rid of captain trained only skills please?
ghennkins
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I see them as an unnecessary hassle.
At first I had no problem with asking someone to drop everything their doing to come meet me some place and train my boff in a skill only players can train. It made it feel more 'mmo'.
But, as more time goes on, it just gets frustrating and feels like a stupid game design. These are people you have to ask to train you're officers and most the time, they're busy doing their own thing, and the rest of the time they forget you asked. Add on top of that the potential for theft and that it's forced interaction (I loathe being forced), it can quickly become a frustrating headache.
I know someone will say it's not 'forced' blah blah you can just gimp yourself and use the lower rank version of a skill, but I see that as proof of the problem. I also can't always ask someone I trust because I never trust someone in an mmo 100%. And the entire act of asking makes me feel like a nag.
Hey can anyone train my boff in blah blah?
Hello anyone?
Stop what you're doing and train my boffs please
...Okay it's been 2 days, can anyone help me?
Yea no thanks, I don't much like being a bother to people. I humbly request for an alternate method.
At first I had no problem with asking someone to drop everything their doing to come meet me some place and train my boff in a skill only players can train. It made it feel more 'mmo'.
But, as more time goes on, it just gets frustrating and feels like a stupid game design. These are people you have to ask to train you're officers and most the time, they're busy doing their own thing, and the rest of the time they forget you asked. Add on top of that the potential for theft and that it's forced interaction (I loathe being forced), it can quickly become a frustrating headache.
I know someone will say it's not 'forced' blah blah you can just gimp yourself and use the lower rank version of a skill, but I see that as proof of the problem. I also can't always ask someone I trust because I never trust someone in an mmo 100%. And the entire act of asking makes me feel like a nag.
Hey can anyone train my boff in blah blah?
Hello anyone?
Stop what you're doing and train my boffs please
...Okay it's been 2 days, can anyone help me?
Yea no thanks, I don't much like being a bother to people. I humbly request for an alternate method.
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Currently, I'm playing with the idea of having [my girlfriend/father/cat/dog/psychiatrist/alternate ego]* set up a second account on my old laptop, so I can have one of my 8 alts train these skills for their co-alts. So far, that seems like the most convenient and safest route.
*not sure what the EULA says about multiple accounts; clearly I wouldn't ever break such rules.
Are you dense ?
Allowing people to train their Bridge Officers in more powers actually increases the diversity by allowing them to train MORE powers.
The Bridge Officer training system sucked from the beginning but now the game has an increasing amount of untradeable officers so you cant get them trained even if you have friends that can train the skill without a lot of unneeded hassle.
People like you argued against Cryptic streamlining the skill system so that you didnt have to specialise in a specific type of ship because it removed Diversity.
Turns out that doing that allowed people to fly all kinds of different ships when they liked rather than have to respec every time they wanted to fly a new ship. It also increased Cryptics income because now people have more incentive to fly new ships.
Doing the same with the skill system will allow people to fly the new ships effectively. The Profession trained only skills are a relic of the old skill system that needs to be removed.
If a Tactical Captain has skilled into Emergency Power skills then he should be able to train the Emergency Power to X III that goes with it. Likewise if an Engineer has skilled into Weapons, let them train their officers in Cannon Rapid Fire III
No, we need no class diversity at all because we never needed arbitrary classes in the first place. All Captains should have access to the same powers and the ship should be the arm that strikes with the fury of those powers.
Give people the ability to buy either by Dil or by C-Points a pack of Training Holo Chips
Captains can "train" or programme the holo chips much like they can with Bridge Officers
They can then be traded or sold on the exchange to train Bridge Officers up in those skills as some BO can not be traded and so cant be given certain skills from other captains or if its a slow day they can grab one from the exchange in whatever skill they want.
I see this case exactly like you do and i wish the devs would finally make captain only trainable powers availlable to the BOFF trainer NPC.
I think it's just annoying and a unnecissary risk to hand over your BOFFs to some completely unknown player.
Especially if you just want to test something new for example. I think game mechanics like that are an relic of the early years of MMOs, but thats just dead weight IMO. No one needs and no one really wants stuff like that.
So as i already said, i completely agree with the OP.
Just about everything you read in these forums is about people wanting to optimize the various "builds" whether its the ship build, the capt skills or boff layouts, even doffs used for space or ground. For people who take team play seriously and want to "do their part" in team play, all boff skills should be accessible to them.
What we need, and i'll draw some fire here from my fellow forumites, is a dillithium bridge trainer who for a quantity of dilithium will train skills formerly only available from certain very rare boffs and certain captains with points in the related skill. With this approach very rare boffs are still valuable as would be the ability to train the skill yourself, as it would be a cost savings for the ever increasingly valuable currency dilithium!
I agree with this - 5000d to train a lv3 skill would be a fair price for the luxury of having the very best skills without hassle, plus remove the possibility of losing your highly trained boffs (the number of tss3 trained boffs I've lost on my klink engie while asking for gw3 among others...) - far fairer than 5000d to upgrade a duty officer, at least...
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So, I think just as the OP, we can get rid of this cumbersome system and have all abillities be trainable at the Boff trainer.
Another thing I would like to see. Once a Boff is trained in a certain skill, I don't want him to forget it. I mean, when I change ship and reallocate my Boffs, in most cases, one or two need some other skills which they are using now an I have to go to the trainer. When I swap ship again ... same thing again.
I don't want a big thing, every skill on my boff, just a couple. It is like an sales agent that speaks french. You send him to France. Then you want him to go to Germany, but he has to learn German first. Then he goes again to France again, but first he has to learn french. That doesn't make sense, does it.
I agree something needs to be done with this. Introduce a new easy to use mechanic (tradeable BOff data pads the skill can be trained to perhaps) or completely dump the original concept and add everything to the current BOFF trainer.
And forced to.... xD
1: Trying to find someone who not only has a toon of the right class, but also has put the 3 or 6 ranks in the right skill to unlock the ability to train in the skill your looking for. Which for alot of skills isn't a big issue since they are linked to skills almost all players are going to put ranks into, but for some skills you looking for someone who has a very rare/odd build.
2: Having to trade a boff to someone. This has two problems, the first is it opens you up to having the boff stole, its rare but it does happen. The second problem is it requires the person to have a open boff slot to be able to help. All my toons use all my boff slots, for my ships and/or awayteam layouts. So even though I'd be more then willing to help someone i can't.
Can a person make a 2nd/3rd character and level up their skills enough to train the 1st character's boffs? Is it something you can mail between characters? Does it require a 2nd account with dual boxing to do it?
*sigh* so confused...
If you see me in my Ody and I'm only using EWP2, you can blame shoddy UI code...
Fleet Admiral Space Orphidian Possiblities Wizard
Using a eng that has a sci that needs training? ... right in the mail.
Train up,
Right back in the mail.
Heck i would even be happy enough to have to spend expertise points all over again on all skills if thats a limiting factor as to why we cant mail boffs
You can only trade boffs by meeting another person on a ground map and using the trade window. And note that to do that you have to have already removed all items from the boff (possibly only all bound items, but I always assume it's all items for safety). That means that there is no way to have different toons on the same account train each other's boffs except by going through a second party.
oh for the love of...
*long drawn out sigh*
But still, a wholly unnecessary inconvenience.
Fleet Admiral Space Orphidian Possiblities Wizard
But I have to agree to a certain point.
Currently it's not much more than a nuisance.
I'd prefer it if the devs would make up their mind between having unique skills only available to a certain profession (or store item), or generally available skills.
The current implementation is inconsequent, thus potentially annoying.
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This system adds nothing of value to the game especially when you factor in the annoyance factor that it does add. It reminds me of most bad forms of DRM, doing nothing but irritating me.
In the past the defense was 'it promotes social activity and fleet bonding'. We have a grind for social activity now this system has now outlived any meager benefit it never actually added.
It's not a whine. :rolleyes:
It's a legitimate complaint to an archaic system which serves no purpose at all in STO anno 2013. But then again we've been saying this for over a year now, and Dstalh has yet to do anything about it.