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Advanced fleet weapons: Tetryon vs Antiproton?
b3tazoid
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Hi,
I have a Mobius temporal destroyer, and my fleet just unlocked advanced fleet weapons.
I currently used 3 phased tetryon cannons, and 2 phased tetryon turrets, and a quantum with torp spread 1 and 3 and a cutting beam for hull damage.
So, my main question is: Fleet antiproton or tetryon?
I prefer the look and sound of tetryon, and like the shield stripping ability, (and trust me, I AM PEDANTIC about looks on my ship), but a few people have said I should switch to antiproton.
Someone also recommended that I use antiproton along with tetryon glider from the omega set, but I'm still only tier 2 omega, so I wouldn't be able to get the omega at a decent level for a while.
Can anyone help me, pro's and con's of both?
I have a Mobius temporal destroyer, and my fleet just unlocked advanced fleet weapons.
I currently used 3 phased tetryon cannons, and 2 phased tetryon turrets, and a quantum with torp spread 1 and 3 and a cutting beam for hull damage.
So, my main question is: Fleet antiproton or tetryon?
I prefer the look and sound of tetryon, and like the shield stripping ability, (and trust me, I AM PEDANTIC about looks on my ship), but a few people have said I should switch to antiproton.
Someone also recommended that I use antiproton along with tetryon glider from the omega set, but I'm still only tier 2 omega, so I wouldn't be able to get the omega at a decent level for a while.
Can anyone help me, pro's and con's of both?
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DO NOT buy advanced fleet weapons until this upcoming Thursday 3/21... the next patch will be adding [Acc]x2[Dmg] Advanced and Elite fleet weapons.
I use Polaron on my Science captain with a power drain build, everything else is either disruptor or anti-proton. At end game there really is nothing better.
Doesn't matter about waiting till Thursday, it will take me until next Monday to have all the dil I need.
Thanks guys, you were really helpful in a short space of time
True that the proc may not affect everything, like the items mentioned above are not affected by a shield stripping proc that Tetryons have.
That's just their proc. Otherwise they do as much damage as all the other energy weapons. Get Tetryons that have the same crits (CrtD) as Antiprotons and you'll have the equivalent weapon but with an proc as well.
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Antiprotons have an inherent +20 crit severity mod, while Tetryons get a 2.5% shield stripping proc. As a result, AP weapons will always enjoy a +20 crit-severity advantage over Tetryon weapons with identical mods / suffixes. When the the target has no shields, tetryon really becomes lack-luster compared to other energy weapon types.
Should be for all types.
as Stated before the AP setup is better for overall damage, Tetryon is great at dropping shields. Vs unshielded targets you lose out on the proc.
Do not laugh. I have a Fleet Escort Retrofit that runs 2 Fleet transphasics, 2 Transphasic cluster fore, 2 fleet transpasics , 1 disruptor turret aft.
Running Adapated MAC0, uni Assimilate console, Rules 62 uni console. APOIII,TrpSprdIIIx2,ATPBIx2,TactTmI x2
That lone disruptor keep ATPB on target and the occasional proc means My custer torps do obscene damages.
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i thought the bonus was to chroniton projectiles. is it confirmed that ap counts for that? as well as the chroniton torps in that set?
also, do ap consoles buff the chroniton dbb as well?
i might have to change my mobius fit up ^^
reedit: although, even if they do, it won't work with crf or csv, what with the not being cannons and all...i dunno...might work best with a wells
Long ago, Anti-Proton weapons were all the rage for space combat. No longer. But when you look at the weapon types & procs, AP still holds up well.
Unless someone brings up a REALLY good point about anti-proton, as frankly I can live without th 20% crit bonus, I'll stick with 2 tetryon dhc and a dc on front (both with dmgx2 accx2), and 2 tetryon turrets with dmgx2 accx2 (th eother slots eing taken up by the torpedo and cutting beam)
Why don't they bring out anti-tetryonic plasmic disruptive phased polarized weapons already?
The Temporal Warfare set's 2-item bonus boosts chroniton projectiles. However, The Chroniton Dual Beam Array that is a part of that set is anti-proton-based, therefore, antiproton mag regulator consoles will boost its damage. The Chroniton Dual Beam Array is the only energy weapon presently in the game with a target-slowing proc, reducing speed-based defense ratings when it triggers. They crit very hard when used with Beam Overload because of their +40 crit-severity
If you've ever seen Temporal Inversion on a Mobius Destroyer, you know why so many Mobius users swear by it:
Set 3: Temporal Inversion Field
Toggle (20 max)
Affect Foe
5 kilometer Sphere
0.5 sec activate
3 min recharge
To all enemies within 5.0km:
-200% Flight Speed
(-400% Flight Speed vs. Small Craft)
-150% Turn Rate
-150% Power Recharge Speed
To self when equipped on Temporal Science Vessel or Temporal Destroyer:
+50% Flight Speed
+100% Turn Rate
+150% Power Recharge Speed
My fleet mates hate fighting my Mobius Destroyer because of the above.
That was because AP was the only end-game weapon type originally offered in the early seasons (back when Battle-Group Omega was still relevant). They are still nasty when used by crit-optimized Tac builds since they can crank their critical hit rates and severity by stacking AP-Alpha with GDF and other damage boosting skills.
I used Tetryon a long time ago back in Season1, and now it is the only energy type I no longer use at all
If you're a tactical captain, then antiproton is going to be one of the strongest available energy weapon types (especially if you spec for max critical hits and severity). Otherwise feel free to ignore it.
AP chews through shields and hulls equally well, without any DPS-drop off nor sporadic proc-dependencies like Tetryon. If you want shield-drain abilities, then consider the 2-Piece Omega set bonus Tetryon Glider with max Flow Capacitors. TG actually outperforms full tetron-only ship builds not running Omega items because it triggers with every weapon hit, while the tetryon proc only has a 2.5% trigger rate per weapon per firing cycle (yes, this is quite depressing).
:X ok, i might have to give it a whirl, once i get a handful more lobi.
That's why you would have to get Tetryon's that have an extra crit modifier to get the +20 crit-sev. Then they would be equivalent, as far as that goes.
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Not to mention one of the rep space skills adds 3% crit as well as the Romulan Crit boffs from the embassy
I am up around 12% base crit on my patrol escort
That would only be true if you compare a tetryon weapon with [CrtD] vs. an antiproton weapon without [CrtD], ie, non-equivalent versions. If you compare apples-to-apples, like a tetryon [CrtD]x3 vs. antiproton [CrtD]x3, then tetryon still loses by -20 crit severity.
Let's not forget the tetryon proc's inferior shield drain performance when benched against the tetryon glider mechanic. Cryptic can correct this by increasing the shield quantity removed by the tetryon proc, but I have not seen any hints that this will be happening anytime soon.
Tet weapons aren't as effective as AP or disruptors against unshielded argets, or against player ships which focus on hull tanking.
But by the same token, using the Kinetic Cutting beam and even one good torpedo (with HY3 or TS3 preferably) will still cause immense damage to hulls. In STFs, I find tets help to peel the shields of multiple targets with CSV or BFAW, exposing them to a torp spread. This in turn helps to attain the optional objestives, such as stopping waves from reaching the kang or the gate, or destroying nanite spheres.
The Tet proc does its shield drain to all 4 facings, very helpful when fighting slippery foes (such as fast, maneuvarable ships in pvp). Ships with a high defence rating, such as escorts in PVP arent going be critted as often, but the tet proc and drain is a fixed chance.
Looking at upcoming changes to pvp as well, extra shied damage may well become even more important. Elite fleet phasers and elite shields will make shields a lot tankier as they become more common, increasing the relative value of tet weapons.
AP is doubtkess better against hull tanks, but again there are other sources of high kinetic damage. The recent boosts to crit rate (such as rommie passive and zero point console) are probably why ap seems so much more popular these days, that and there is now finally a simple way to get them in Accx2.
If you want to boost the hull damage from your tet weapons, why not use some plasma infused romulan consoles (id choose flow caps variant)? They basically add a plasma hull damage proc to your weapons. Granted they'd do the same for AP, but AP wouldnt get anything out of flow capacitors.
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Conversely antiproton is keyed to percentage of damage, so maxing out consoles maxes out the proc too.
I'm planning to switch my fed escort over to AP, once I clear some other projects. My cruiser will keep the tet beams for the foreseeable future.
Tetryon weapon shield drain quantities are also reduced by power insulators -- the more the target stacks, the less tetryons drain shields (I typically run L6 / +85 base Power Insulators IIRC). Fortunately NPC's don't tend to have any such stats, but in PVP, power insulator stats are standard.
The problem with tetryons do not go away by compensating for their lack of extra hull damage with torpedoes -- you still have an energy weapon type that is over-specialized against shields. Torpedoes are the opposite end of the spectrum -- they score extra damage vs. exposed hulls but are mitigated via Brace for Impact.
There is a bright side to Tetryon -- is shield drain is counted as damage for game DPS metrics purposes, so even if a tetryon-armed ship does not inflict lethal damage to destroy a ship, it still scores higher net damage for competitive fleet action rankings. I watched a Galor warship consistently place 1st in Gorn Mine Field using this tactic. I usually place first in my JHAS, but the Galor captain's build was well tuned towards padding its numbers via tetryon cannons and turrets.
When I get home, I'll try slotting 2 Omega pieces and see if it makes any difference.
Thanks for all your help guys
But since I lack the ability to read properly, I now have 3 fleet dual cannons instead of dual heavy cannons.
You may still be able to salvage the situation by using the Omega Space Set. Since Dual cannons fire at 2x the rate of DHC's, you will get double the Tetryon Glider shield drain per cannon volley.