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Fleet Economics: A New Approach

dkeith2011dkeith2011 Member Posts: 595 Arc User
To any Devs who happen to be reading this and find it interesting and/or useful, I offer it freely for use in any way.


Here is my idea for a new approach to the Starbase economy.

The goal is to create a balanced system that is equally fair to all fleet sizes and avoids the massive grinds for specific items that the current system is overloaded with.

1: Throw the current contribution system and all of its requirements out the airlock and forget about it. Project durations will be maintained however.

2: Place a Fleet Resource Coordinator (FRC) on the base.

3: Donate any and all items, DOffs, BOffs and select currencies to the FRC to be converted into Fleet Resources (FR). The amount of FR generated will depend on the quality/rarity of the donated item(s)/currency and the total available is stored numerically in the Fleet Bank in the same manner as ECs.

4: Players receive Fleet Credits (FC) for donations to the FRC. The amount of FC generated will depend on the quality/rarity of the donated item(s)/currency.

5: Reset all projects to use FR rather than the specific items currently required.

6: Any fleet member normally able to contribute to fleet projects can allocate FR to a scheduled project.


This system will remove bottlenecks created by specific item requirements.

The broader base of items/currencies available for donation would allow smaller fleets to achieve development goals more quickly and easily.

The retained time-gates on projects will maintain advancement balance regardless of fleet size. Small fleets will still take longer to complete projects simple because they have fewer donations overall in comparison to larger fleets.

Thoughts anyone?
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  • dkeith2011dkeith2011 Member Posts: 595 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    And for clarity, the same mechanics would apply to Embasy projects.
  • coastcomiccoastcomic Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    I think this is a great idea -- to me, it's much more "realistic" a feel, as it evokes thoughts of visiting the FRC and arranging for donations to be ferried or transported over from my captain's ship to the starbase for use by the fleet.

    Frankly, the current set-up is extremely clunky and not overly user-friendly. Opening up the donation possibilities would really benefit everyone in my opinion.


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  • crusty8maccrusty8mac Member Posts: 1,381 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    I like this idea.

    I'm sitting on a bunch of common DOffs waiting for an appropriate project to open up. It would be nice to just contribute them to the system and be done with it.

    It would also make it much easier to increase the item types acceptable into the system.
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  • gavinrunebladegavinruneblade Member Posts: 3,894 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    dkeith2011 wrote: »
    To any Devs who happen to be reading this and find it interesting and/or useful, I offer it freely for use in any way.


    Here is my idea for a new approach to the Starbase economy.

    The goal is to create a balanced system that is equally fair to all fleet sizes and avoids the massive grinds for specific items that the current system is overloaded with.

    1: Throw the current contribution system and all of its requirements out the airlock and forget about it. Project durations will be maintained however.

    2: Place a Fleet Resource Coordinator (FRC) on the base.

    3: Donate any and all items, DOffs, BOffs and select currencies to the FRC to be converted into Fleet Resources (FR). The amount of FR generated will depend on the quality/rarity of the donated item(s)/currency and the total available is stored numerically in the Fleet Bank in the same manner as ECs.

    4: Players receive Fleet Credits (FC) for donations to the FRC. The amount of FC generated will depend on the quality/rarity of the donated item(s)/currency.

    5: Reset all projects to use FR rather than the specific items currently required.

    6: Any fleet member normally able to contribute to fleet projects can allocate FR to a scheduled project.


    This system will remove bottlenecks created by specific item requirements.

    The broader base of items/currencies available for donation would allow smaller fleets to achieve development goals more quickly and easily.

    The retained time-gates on projects will maintain advancement balance regardless of fleet size. Small fleets will still take longer to complete projects simple because they have fewer donations overall in comparison to larger fleets.

    Thoughts anyone?
    This is quite a good idea. I had a similar one but it was more clunky and focused on adding flexibility on the project level not at the top like you did. Very elegant idea.

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  • startrek1234567startrek1234567 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Love the idea.

    +1
  • jbmaverickjbmaverick Member Posts: 935 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    I think it's a good idea in general, although some materials would need to be rebalanced, in particular data samples, since they can be acquired with little-to-no effort without limit.

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  • dkeith2011dkeith2011 Member Posts: 595 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    jbmaverick wrote: »
    I think it's a good idea in general, although some materials would need to be rebalanced, in particular data samples, since they can be acquired with little-to-no effort without limit.

    Getting the balance right would be a delicate business, but I think the end result would be well worth the effort.
  • victorsteelevictorsteele Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    I agree that it's a good idea.

    The only problem that I see is that it's againsj the developers' stated policy of making smaller fleets have to grind harder to earn the upper fleet ranks.
  • dkeith2011dkeith2011 Member Posts: 595 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Ah yes, that boneheaded policy.

    If this system or something similar was adopted I believe players would be more attracted to the fleet system because it would be more open and accessible.

    In a reasonable world, getting more paying customers in your game should trump enforcing a punitive policy just to avoid admitting that you were wrong.
  • lordvalecortezlordvalecortez Member Posts: 479 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    dkeith2011 wrote: »
    Ah yes, that boneheaded policy.

    If this system or something similar was adopted I believe players would be more attracted to the fleet system because it would be more open and accessible.

    In a reasonable world, getting more paying customers in your game should trump enforcing a punitive policy just to avoid admitting that you were wrong.

    Sadly though we live in a Perfect World. :) Sorry, couldn't help myself.

    But I do like the idea, and that is why we can't have it. It makes too much sense. Yes some balancing would have to go into it but it shouldn't be that hard. Their current FC values for various items can be adapted and changed with little effort.
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  • crusty8maccrusty8mac Member Posts: 1,381 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    The only rational objection that I can see the Devs making is that you wouldn't have to do any Fleet related events. That is solvable by making the contribution to Fleet assignments require fleet marks plus the new fleet credits.

    I think it is an elegant solution that would solve a ton of problems.
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  • dkeith2011dkeith2011 Member Posts: 595 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Or simply give Fleet Marks a very high conversion rate.

    In my opinion, Fleet Marks and Dilithium should be the first and second most valuable items to donate.
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  • squishkinsquishkin Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    This is a problematic idea insofar as not all resources are equally meaningful in the in-game economy.

    Note that I did not say valuable; certain items have essentially no significantly useful purpose, such as data samples; others have very limited purpose, such as doffs, especially common ones; and others are extremely restricted and quite valuable, such as refined dilithium.

    The way the projects are set up now, the devs can carefully balance how they want players to spend resources on those projects. This takes away all of that ability to tune and replaces it with a much more general ability to tune the relative contribution value of each type. That's a very much more blunt method of tuning, though.

    The idea that the devs are 'bad' for 'herding' people into specific content to get specific rewards is silly. Taken to its logical conclusion, you should get everything for free and be able to play whatever content you like, but that's not really a game so much as it is a fantasy win button that people will pick up for a day or two, get their jollies off on, and then put down again. A game needs some kind of contribution of effort, some challenge, some difficult to obtain reward commensurate with that challenge and risk. I honestly don't think that the challenge is the issue in that respect: I think that people ultimately are more rightly concerned that the reward is where things fall down flat.
  • dkeith2011dkeith2011 Member Posts: 595 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    crusty8mac wrote: »
    The only rational objection that I can see the Devs making is that you wouldn't have to do any Fleet related events. That is solvable by making the contribution to Fleet assignments require fleet marks plus the new fleet credits.

    I think it is an elegant solution that would solve a ton of problems.
    This is Cryptic's problem right there...

    THEY want us to do this or that. They don't get it that some of us just don't LIKE this or that, and no matter what carrot they put on a stick attached to it, it isn't going to make us WANT to do it.

    Instead of trying to herd us down paths they want us to go, they should be paying attention to where WE want to go and design their freaking game around that.

    As has been said many times, their metrics may show how many people are doing this or that, but the metrics do not show whether or not those people are having fun.

    Very true.

    In game metrics show the players are doing what the Devs want them to do, but not the reason they are doing those things.

    They are doing those things because it is the only option. If you want X you have to do Y.
  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Hmmm. I think Cryptic would be more open to it if there was "Fleet Marks", "Dilithium", and "all the rest" buttons.
  • dkeith2011dkeith2011 Member Posts: 595 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Hmmm. I think Cryptic would be more open to it if there was "Fleet Marks", "Dilithium", and "all the rest" buttons.


    That could work and would still be an improvement over the current system.
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