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I have a cruel theory as to why PWE and Cryptic are now frantically finishing the KDF
khayuung
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This post assumes that they somehow are.
In this scenario, I'm thinking they allow the KDF to be your starting faction, add a tutorial that instantly levels you to lv 10 once done, up each individual mission rewards so that you level twice after each mission, and call it a day.
This will come at a price, and I think I know what it is. And further more why PWE has authorized Cryptic to spend time fixing the KDF.
They will drastically reduce the rewards from Marauding, and effectively remove contraband for all reward tables. Your only sources of contraband will only be from those missions that the Fed have access to get contraband.
(I'd use much bigger font if I were allowed to.)
This will, together with the change to remove PVP wrappers from the game as part of fixing PVP, cause the utter and total demise of dil farming, dropping it right down to CO levels where only dedication will get you to currency cap for 1 character only.
The price of zen will crash because dil sources dry up. Already, increasing requirements for pvp wrappers gave the market a 3 point hit, bouyed only by larger fleets doing speed pvp with the mass to complete a match fast.
Once that is cut down by PVP 'fixes' and KDF 'completion', we will be in a far worse place than we are now.
So, to recap, for all the 'benefits' Cryptic will 'give' us, they will drastically reduce the rewards from Marauding, remove pvp wrappers, and effectively remove contraband from all AFK-able reward tables.
I pray that I am wrong, but the signs are telling. Not to mention the fact that they sat with their hands close to their chest about axing the IOR fleet mark rewards for months just because they wanted to drum up positivity during the Anniversary sets a dangerous precedent for all future big nerfs we will all cry foul about. They could be looking at PVP and doffing, and thinking how to further reduce players abilities to farm currency 'willy-nilly', and we will be none the wiser instead of farming desperately for dry times ahead.
So, in the mean time, please stop saying PVP and KDF fixes will somehow save your game. I fear that we will only suffer for what some of us wish for.
In this scenario, I'm thinking they allow the KDF to be your starting faction, add a tutorial that instantly levels you to lv 10 once done, up each individual mission rewards so that you level twice after each mission, and call it a day.
This will come at a price, and I think I know what it is. And further more why PWE has authorized Cryptic to spend time fixing the KDF.
They will drastically reduce the rewards from Marauding, and effectively remove contraband for all reward tables. Your only sources of contraband will only be from those missions that the Fed have access to get contraband.
(I'd use much bigger font if I were allowed to.)
This will, together with the change to remove PVP wrappers from the game as part of fixing PVP, cause the utter and total demise of dil farming, dropping it right down to CO levels where only dedication will get you to currency cap for 1 character only.
The price of zen will crash because dil sources dry up. Already, increasing requirements for pvp wrappers gave the market a 3 point hit, bouyed only by larger fleets doing speed pvp with the mass to complete a match fast.
Once that is cut down by PVP 'fixes' and KDF 'completion', we will be in a far worse place than we are now.
So, to recap, for all the 'benefits' Cryptic will 'give' us, they will drastically reduce the rewards from Marauding, remove pvp wrappers, and effectively remove contraband from all AFK-able reward tables.
I pray that I am wrong, but the signs are telling. Not to mention the fact that they sat with their hands close to their chest about axing the IOR fleet mark rewards for months just because they wanted to drum up positivity during the Anniversary sets a dangerous precedent for all future big nerfs we will all cry foul about. They could be looking at PVP and doffing, and thinking how to further reduce players abilities to farm currency 'willy-nilly', and we will be none the wiser instead of farming desperately for dry times ahead.
So, in the mean time, please stop saying PVP and KDF fixes will somehow save your game. I fear that we will only suffer for what some of us wish for.
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The KDF is NOT JUST a farming faction for dilithium.
To be blunt -- I would rather have a playable faction, with content, vessels, and gameplay comparable to the Federation, than to be a second-rate faction primarily used by Federation captains on alts to farm dilithium that goes straight to the exchange in return for Zen.
So...if the faction really is completed, complete with a full stable of fleet ships, content, and missions, and the price is the removal or reduction of our enhanced ability to farm dilithium..to me that is a fair trade.
I also understand where you are coming from. I myself play both sides, as a Federation Section 31 operative, and his part-time accomplice (and full-time nemesis) -- an Orion Marauder, smuggler and slave mistress. I too would be happy if I could get the full KDF spread of ships that the Fed have in exchange for losing the power to dil-farm like all get out.
But as that takes much more effort than giving a token effort, call the KDF complete, and then use that as an excuse to kill off dil farming.
My fear is that it will end up with the Fed farmers crying foul for losing their source of dil, and the honorable warriors of the KDF baying blood for a half-assed result.
But I don't profess to have any proof of my theory, so I hope that is that. Just wanted to bring it up as food for thought, and maybe some discussion.
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I can go dilithium farming on one of my fed toons and easily grind out 4 times the dilithium that I can refine per day even with my vet refining bonus. Doing it on my KDF toons takes less time because there are a hair more missions that reward dilithium, and my KDF get around the game universe just a little faster.
The KDF was not made a part of STO to sit as something you could EXPLOIT for its capabilities. You want Dilithium, a little easier to get a KDF.. but you still have to pretty much do the same things to pull it off. Want to get samples for crafting? Again much easier to do if your KDF. WHy? Duuu! LOOK AT THE MAP!..4 exploration zone boardaring on the KDF home sector block! We used to have a problem when crafting was hot of feds with diplomacy farming our explotion zones for data samples. It was more then a little annoying. Especially considering at the time that MARUDING didn't exist. We couldn't even force them to fight for the privelege.
This is why I consider the bulk of Fed players unthinking grubby little jerks who DON'T get Roddenberry, DON'T get Star Trek, and DON'T get the Federation. ANd I'm still unhappy with the comprimise the studio made as a solution.. Instead of making KDF exploration zone impassable to Fed players, they allowed KDF player to be able to enter fed exploration zones.. but we still couldn't enter Sirus sector yet.
If all your interested in is how easy it is to farm/grind certain items on the KDF side, I am honestly of the opinion that you need to have your KDF toons not only axed, but be banned from KDF play.
I see it as entirly unlikely that any KDF advantages in resourse gathering are going to be nerfed any time within the next year. More likely whats going to happen is Federation players will have opportunities provided that will make it easier for them to get more dilithium. Thats the way Cryptic has done things in the past for good or ill. they'll just get it done so the customers stop bothering them about it. It may not be nice, polite or politic to say, but it is the way it is. Better they do it that way, then actually try to fix things which is bound to simply make everyone unhappy.
This.
The OPs scenario seems kinda far fetched, since they could just remove or reduce contraband at the snip of a finger the way they changed the contraband turn-in before or how they changed STF or IOR rewards and wouldn't have to go through the trouble of creating level 1-25 content.
Even if they were to reduce contraband production or remove the turn-in doff assignment completely, it would probably barely make a dent in Zen-Dil prices. Dilithium is currently available everywhere and the only thing that effects the exchange rate or keeps it stable is the 8k refinement cap. People would just invest a few minutes more each day and still hit the cap.
The sheer number of people in this game that have apparently been watching the show on mute astounds me.
Yeah it's a real puzzle box. No one but the true believers can comprehend it.
Being part of a 400 person KDF fleet - yes 400 active people(500 toons total) - I never hear in chat people whining on about the problems the KDF faces. There are at least 30 people on at all times - all the talk in chat is about what to do next - groups - playing, pvp, builds, gear - etc
I think a 400 KDF player fleet is a pretty big cross-section of the KDF playerbase - and not to hear a whisper of complaint I just wonder some days if it's just a handful of KDF players jumping up and down.
As usually where is new content there are also new bugs ,it would be in my opinion, unwise to make federation player base mad about dilithium too in the same time.
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Speak for yourself, I would hate to see my KDF farmer alts go to waste! Only one was at max level before Dil farming.
I have already voiced similar concerns as the OP, but from a federation player with kdf farmer alts point of view. I agree that the real driving factor would be to remove dil farming by the greater fed population via kdf alts than any true desire to finish the KDF. Of course, the removal of Dil farming may be, pardoxically, the death knell of the KDF as people abandon or outright delete their KDF alts.
It would be a sad day indeed! But no worries, I'm sure a new shiny lockbox will promptly follow to make the masses forget!
Wut? No.
With just TWO KDF farmer alts you can get enough DIl to cap themselves and three (sometimes two) federation characters. it IS a hassle but it can be done in teh fraction of the time it'd take to the same with just regular grinding.
The KDF ships have always been better than their federation counterparts for survivability and dps. I am speaking of Klingon ships, not lockbox options. So for grinding, they rock.
Playing a Klingon has intrigued me at the beginning, especially when I saw the capabilities of their ships. Battle cloak? Hell yes! The few 'original' content episodes were interesting, but I quickly bored of the fantasy elements.
Group missions are harder to organize; epohh tagging as a Klingon anyone?
I joined a Klingon fleet, but it's been little more than a personal vanity project for the fleets owners. Access to resources is limited at best. I'll donate the odd crew member or asset. Any fleet marks I build I donate. Dilithium however is destined for my very active federation fleet.
I am not alone in this. I regularly play with others who do the exact same thing, and feel the same way.
PvP isn't for me even for Feds. So the thought of investing time into a Klingon PvP toon is not in the cards. The Foundary gave me hope for Klingon content, and some missions raised my hopes to make the KDF something I would want to play. New ships are cool (I buy Fed ships routinely), but nothing about the KDF ships screams 'I must buy this'.
edit: I did buy the Guramba Siege Destroyer after I saw it's effectiveness in the STF's. The T5 variants look awesome, but not enough to support developing a fleet where I 'might' get access to buy it. Yes, I can change fleets, but at this stage why bother?
Don't get me wrong - KDF has been worth playing. Seeing the other side of the equation has been fun. But there's really nothing that makes me want to use it for anything more than a source of dilithium.
Now if STO adds a romulan faction, that's something I'd pay to play.
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That said a game where one faction is blatantly a farm feeding main toons in another faction shows without a doubt how broken and mis used the KDF is and the devs should be able to see that.
When you guys talk about builds do you talk about getting any new things? New ships? With new layouts? When there are no options for doing that, does anyone ever seem miffed? Like that they can't get a new escort/raptor/raider/anything with 5 tactical consoles?
Back when the Fed Doomsday mission was revamped, did anyone in your fleet complain that the Klingons couldn't get the item? That the fed only mission had the best Klingon storyline in ages and really good Klingon Opera?
Any storyline focused players in your 400 active fleetmates? Of those storyline focused players, did any of them ever mention that the anniversarry mission made little to no sense from a Klingon Perspective?
I find it hard to believe that 400 active Klingon players in a fleet have never mentioned any problems at all ever.
How can that be bad?
PhaK the afk Dilithium Farmers, I'd ban them if it were my choice. KDF is inactive enough with out more AFK farmers.
Not like there are a ton of us to start with, our numbers are only dwindling more with each new Fed Perk.
If you don't know, check the link in my Sig. The True Story of Craptic n the KDF right there.
"...just look at my track record for making the improvements that I said we would with the KDF and judge by that." - Dan Stahl
House of Beautiful Orions is one of the biggest - if not the biggest - and most active KDF fleet in STO - there are things mentioned sometimes - but very very rarely. If someone visits the forums you'd think the KDF is being oppressed and dragged through the gutter - but I just don't see that from the fleet members. And yes it is over 400 active people - we have to keep cutting players over 60 days inactive as we keep hitting the 500 cap.
We have a T5 starbase - T5 Eng - which allows Elite fleet weapons and are 40 days from T5 shipyard - and really all the talk is about things we can do/get - not things that we can't get or don't have.
Point is - the game is what YOU make it.
The reality is the game is what Cryptic make it. If they make badly enough bad things will happen.
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I'd say there's good reason why the forums demonstrate more of the 'complaining' mindset than in-game chats.
For one thing, what's posted on the forum can STAY on the forum and be easily accessed by anyone interested in reading. It's the main venue in which players can voice dissatisfaction. There's little point doing it in private fleet chats, because the developers rarely frequent those (I've personally seen 3 visits by developers in the RedditAlert chat, which is an open chat). In a fleet chat, I'd expect players to mention 'wish-list' type things, like wanting 5-tac console ships, better storylines, new ideas for storyline, etc. Not so much 'complaining' as much as 'collaborating'.
Most KDF players are well-aware that the KDF has been left behind development-wise. However, there's an awful lot of Federation players that seem oblivious to that, and also demand that KDF perks/features be added to the Federation. They may or may not read the forums. By continuously posting about the mistreatment of the KDF on the forums, we're reminding folks that the KDF has been left behind, and is continuing to be left behind.
I seriously doubt that there is an entire 500-strong KDF fleet out there that is completely and totally oblivious to the issues that surround this faction -- especially in comparison to the Federation fleet...and if statistics hold true, there may be a significant number of fleet members on at a time, but if they are 500-strong, 30 members is less than 10% of the membership....which tells me that a solid chunk of said members are likely KDF alts for Federation captains who just want to "live on the wild side" for a few hours a week...
Not to disparage this fleet -- shoot, I just did a PUG with a member of this fleet in it, and the player did quite well.
I gave 30 as an avg - it varies from 15 at night to as high as 200 I have seen it on a fleet event day. Sure there are feds with alts - so what - you know if every Fed had a KDF toon as well, the faction would get a LOT more attention. That's a Big problem with this game - too much I will play Fed or KDF only. House of Beautiful Orions is the best fleet I have been in - both Fed side and KDF side. Nice leadership and nice people.
In 7 days our base upgrades to T5 - it will be interesting to see how many log on.
The point was that yes - complaining in fleet chat would be pointless as we are all well aware of the problems with the KDF - but - the same goes for making threads about it here in KDF gameplay - how many Fed only players look at these threads - bet you could count it on your 2 hands - TOPS
Worse - how many Devs read these threads?? I can't remember the last time a Dev has posted in this section.
I am starting to become more like Roach(bitmepwe) in that complaining in the forums has done nothing for 3 years - why get overly aggravated.
I keep my expectations at zero - that and counting down the days till Fleet B'rel time!!