test content
Logo
What is the Arc Client?
Install Arc
power drain
silverashes1
Member Posts: 192 Arc User
something needs to be done about power drain builds. with all the diff versions of pol weapons and flow cap a low lvl skill they have become way too powerful. there are escorts in game that can depower oddys and galaxy's just by shooting them! they dont even need to use Boff powers to do it.and thats just one ship when there is 2 or more there is no point in even trying(i ran a full power insulator setup and it made little if any diff on my eng cruiser vs a power drain escort) with phaser/pol, tet/pol,disrupter/pol and regular pol(for those on a budget)they have the most adaptability of any energy type. i think that this should be limited to sci ships and cruisers, escorts dont need this added ability on top of the already high dps they have.
and thats not counting the plasmonic leach which even makes it worse. when the feds get it will just 2X the number of ships doing it.
ether flow cap stops boosting pol procs, make it a higher lvl skill( so escorts have to sacrifice something for the bonus) or change the proc so it does less drain.(i think it had a different proc once something about crew i dont remember)
im sure il get hate and learn to play bs for saying this but someone had too
and thats not counting the plasmonic leach which even makes it worse. when the feds get it will just 2X the number of ships doing it.
ether flow cap stops boosting pol procs, make it a higher lvl skill( so escorts have to sacrifice something for the bonus) or change the proc so it does less drain.(i think it had a different proc once something about crew i dont remember)
im sure il get hate and learn to play bs for saying this but someone had too
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Post edited by silverashes1 on
0
Comments
-Fleet Admiral Sebastion SSC
Plasmonic Leech has already been looked at once, but I doubt they'll do it again.
Polaron weapons have already been changed once. I haven't used them in a while, but from what I remember of the changes, Polarons alone shouldn't be dropping you. Even if an Escort is rocking 4x Flow Cap consoles, since the proc should have diminishing returns. Severely cripple, yes, but no sap you dry.
But I wholly agree; Plasmonic Leech is a crummy ability. Way too much gain for a little loss. Especially now that KDF also has access to MACO (the main argument before being that KDF had nothing against the free +Power from MACO shields). Feds are undoubtedly going to get it soon, making it all the worse.
some escorts are better at power drain than sci ships since they can fire weapons faster and have higher dps. since sci ships are the ones that get the power drain pets i dont see that as much as a issue since sci ships excluding vesta(which has no kdf counter) are at the bottom of the dps list
the leach is a console that will never be totally balanced and as much as i love the kdf it should never have been allowed on escorts or at least never been made universal.
these days any escort can be turned into a drain ship with pol weapons and flow capacitors since its a ensign lvl skill
You must have not been around before Season 5. Those were the good old days when you could be one shot by a Tric torpedo after having all your shield power sucked away by a well timed Tyken's Rift 3 and Target Shields 1 combination. Really we don't have it too bad at the moment when you think about how things used to be. The KDF is the only faction right now with the potential for a really devastating power drain ship anyway. A fed ship can still get good results but no where near what the KDF can do.
i was around then and it wasnt quite that bad. my point was drain builds on escort type ships(difiant mobius garumba and krenn to name a few) and on that point the only thing that kdf escort type ships have is the leach. syphons are sci carrier only and are only effective once the "latch on" to a ship escorts can drain just by shooting. most escorts cant afford to lose a heal for a rift so thats limated to sci ships(face it they need to be good at something
note to all who read this: this is a general statement for both factions
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=563321
interesting i think part of it goes with my sugestion that flow cap be moved to a higher rank so its harder for escorts to use power drain builds
note: this thread is not about drain in general but about power drain escorts
How about this: i did, not a huge improvement
This is the last that I am going to mention on this: I don't think that you fully explored counters to power drains. It is out there. It would be more constructive to get a group to find the counter rather than running to the forums screaming nerf.
Honestly, I don't know how anyone could arrive at that conclusion seeing as though there is one huge difference between the game played now compared to the way it was prior to S5. That difference being resists. Power drains builds, in particular, are in the worst shape they've ever been in this game at the moment. I can agree Siphon Drones need tempered but one of the worst things that could happen to this game right now is for the devs to go TRIBBLE with Science abilities even further. That also includes other things that run synergy with them including Polarons. Part of the problem is that there is less opportunity cost for people who want to run Polarons than what there used to be so you see more people running them on the field now. That is a negative outcome that came with the skill tree revamp over a year ago. If decent mods actually came on antiproton weapons there would be a thread complaining about huge crits right now instead of this one complaining about drains.
they are carrier exclusive. what i am talking about is making it harder for tac/escorts to power drain AND dps at the same time
one i am not running to the forums screaming nerf, my plan does not lessin the effect of drain just restricts so tacs cant drain/dps at the same time
two me and several others in my fleet HAVE done tests thats why i posted about it
LOL can i have a "Like" button for post #14 Nicely put there silverashes1 ^_^
-Sebastion SSC
A player built to counter power drain serves no purpose at all.
Syphon drones are still a problem but more annoying than anything. Of course now with the Tric nerf, that's not even viable for spam clearing. Although in spite of this, Klinks still whine about Danubes being OP. I hate em both.
As for Plasmonic Leech, every Klink and I mean EVERY Klink uses them. Yes, they're that good. Giving it to the Feds as well is not the answer I am hoping for so the only viable solution is to cut the effects of power drain across the board.
Sorry, its sound like you are suggesting resrictions on a weapon type. I would not think that is a viable solution.
I also do not believe that an escort armed with polarons as any more op than an escort with phasers. Phaser procs are just as problematic.
If you would argue that the KDF have the leech, I could turn that argument on its head. (points conveniently to the 5-tac console, 5-weapon, pet spewing Andorian escort, Danube-spawn Armitage, 5-TAC console pet-capable MVAE, etc etc.)
I believe that we are seeing the result of one problem.
The lack of alternatives for the KDF.
What else are we suppose to play with?
Sure the KDF can probably match any build any fed ships has, but we lack the ships to complement the builds.
If there is a sudden surge of drain builds out there, I can bet it has to do with the level of frustration KDF players are feeling.
What are escorts using to drain power that a science ship can't use?
Seriously, what is it?
Also, moving flow caps higher in the tree would be a massive nerf to science abilities since most of them are effected by this skill.
But really, what are escorts using to drain power better then science ships?
Do you even Science Bro?
Aside from having a 7th polaron weapon for proc fishing, your guess is as good as mine.
If the OP means that multiple back-to-back procs from Polaron weapons are very much capable of blacking out a ship, well, yeah, but it's not very likely to happen.
But it seems the polaron proc isnt reduced by power insulators. The proc alone can make a cube drop its shields.
Not all kdf ships have leech, you guys are making these things up to be something they are clearly not. Phasers are just as crippling as polaron, even more so. phased polaron....welll cryptic dumped those on us.
Complain about OP fed ships without a kdf counterpart, like, fleet defiant, vesta, Armitage, and smurf. Once the friggin spam fest that is federation has been brought back in line, we can talk about evul kdf things. The idea that the current game favors kdf builds or toys in any way, i laughable at best, or outright stupid at worst.
I m sorry guys, but this is a non issue, fleet shields are an issue, fed ship choices are an issue. Leech is not, and drain are not.
Let me repeat what i said in the drain test builds, maybe polaron procs should be more in line with tets, and palsma aka useless. Not that the shut down in those test only occured once polaron was in the mix. So stop blaming the kdf, and start asking for nerfs to your own toys.
a history of sto pvp: 2010 - 2011
a history of sto pvp: 2012 - 2013
just that none of what the op describes is part of that list. My ship has no aceton, no leach, no polaron, no siphon drones. So TRIBBLE you whinner. Fed's keep whinning about KDF toys, just as in this thread.
So yes a full team with all these toys can completely shut a target down. Just as a full team of OP fed ships with phasers, virals, danoobs can completely shut a ship down. Tough luck.
Sorry you keep loosing to evil klingons and want them nerfed. ALl the shiney fed toys with 5 tac consoles, and hangar pets, better shield mods, can't save you. Too bad. KDF toys are fine, FED carebears suck at PvP, that is the problem.
a history of sto pvp: 2010 - 2011
a history of sto pvp: 2012 - 2013
you guys came here complaining that something is off, no actual proof, just acusations that "waaaaaa i have no power evil klingons waaaa" maybe you should do some testing and bring the proof?
now now havam, you should no better then to argue with fedbears.
after all, kirk was one himself.
if polaron proc isnt reduced as you claim we need actual testing on this to see if its a specific combo of things or if its something else entirely.
im personally still wondering what the op was talking about that an escort has to drain power better then a science ship, the only possible thing is target subsystems 3 but thats reduced by power insulators.
the only other other thing i could think is maybe leech got broken again in a recent patch? can i get a klingon to check that out for me?
Do you even Science Bro?
wait wut? are you calling me a klingon player? HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA
im still asking what the hell the other ship the op was taking about that drains more then a science ship.
maybe you were hit with that tholian torp that drains/disables a power?
seriously dude.
give proof so we can start invesitgating it.
Do you even Science Bro?
*sneaks up behind maicake's nebula and hits it on the head* Drain baby drain
a history of sto pvp: 2010 - 2011
a history of sto pvp: 2012 - 2013