How about a Dauntless Class

spork87 · February 2013

The ship from Voyager Hope and Fear that had built in Quantum Slipstream ect. I know it was an alien ship but Voyager would have made detailed scans of the vessel and its systems, so its forseeable that Star Fleet could build such a vessel. Id love to see it, as a Long Range Cruiser that operates at slipstream speeds instead of warp drive normally in sector space. Make it a Science or Tactical ship. But id just love to see this hull in the game.

lianthelia · February 2013

No thanks, the ship was rather ugly and didn't really resemble a federation ship much except for the grey hull color.

westx211 · February 2013

lianthelia wrote: »

No thanks, the ship was rather ugly and didn't really resemble a federation ship much except for the grey hull color.

It wasn't ugly it.

hylanvahr · February 2013

spork87 wrote: »

The ship from Voyager Hope and Fear that had built in Quantum Slipstream ect. I know it was an alien ship but Voyager would have made detailed scans of the vessel and its systems, so its forseeable that Star Fleet could build such a vessel. Id love to see it, as a Long Range Cruiser that operates at slipstream speeds instead of warp drive normally in sector space. Make it a Science or Tactical ship. But id just love to see this hull in the game.

Having the Dauntless in the game is a no-brainer, and probably one of the ships still lurking on CaptGecko's whiteboard at his Cryptic office, if not somewhere in the back of his mind. Although the Dauntless that Voyager encountered was an elaborate trap, it also served as the origin of all the quantum slipstream technology Starfleet and (for whatever gamey reason) the KDF take for granted in 2409.

I will say this, however, that it is effectively outdated by the presence of the Vesta series of ships, and that could be a design problem in terms of STO. With the two-piece Experimental Systems console set, you have the most advanced QSD in the known galaxy with 60 secs of slipstream speed plus high maneuverability (Odyssey comes close, but lacks the enhanced turning speed of the Vesta).

What will the Dauntless bring to the table? The whole ship was not built for combat, but for QSD and particle synthesis technology. It's a small ship, even smaller than Voyager was, so the crew count will be low along the lines of the new Kumari escorts, but it would likely be a science ship, so weapons would be the usual 3 fore/3 aft, and a high shield mod with reduced hull HP. Also, the fact that it has QSD automatically makes it a Vice Admiral level ship.

The issue of particle synthesis is a whole new beast unto itself. More advanced than current holographic technology (more along the lines of replicators, only better), it could be a pseudo-cloak ability that is similar to the USS Incursion from a little-known Trek game from year 2000 called Away Team. A Particle Synthesis universal console could allow players to disguise their Dauntless to match the appearance of whatever ship they have selected upon activation. I could see this as being a clever Trojan Horse type of power, especially in PvP where you can pick an enemy ship, and effectively make yourself one of them. You will appear friendly to them as if they were placated, but friendlies would still see you as one of them too so as not to cause confusion and be fired upon your own side.

Just some sauce for the goose. Let's make it happen.

psycoticvulcan · February 2013

I'd love to have a Dauntless. We know that Starfleet used them in the 26th century, which is only a century off. We've been using the Miranda for much longer.

thratch1 · February 2013

psycoticvulcan wrote: »

I'd love to have a Dauntless. We know that Starfleet used them in the 26th century, which is only a century off. We've been using the Miranda for much longer.

Correction: we know someone doing VFX for Enterprise snuck it in as an easter egg, there was a VFX mistake, or they just didn't care.

artan42 · February 2013

psycoticvulcan wrote: »

I'd love to have a Dauntless. We know that Starfleet used them in the 26th century, which is only a century off. We've been using the Miranda for much longer.

By that logic the Steemrunner has been in service since series 3 of ENT, as it's a few fleet shots.

thratch1 · February 2013

artan42 wrote: »

By that logic the Steemrunner has been in service since series 3 of ENT, as it's a few fleet shots.

And the Millennium Falcon was at the Battle of Sector 001.

psycoticvulcan · February 2013

thratch1 wrote: »

Correction: we know someone doing VFX for Enterprise snuck it in as an easter egg, there was a VFX mistake, or they just didn't care.

It's still canon.

artan42 wrote: »

By that logic the Steemrunner has been in service since series 3 of ENT, as it's a few fleet shots.

That was the Intrepid. They're similar, but not the same design.

thratch1 · February 2013

psycoticvulcan wrote: »

It's still canon.

Again, so is the Millennium Falcon fighting the Borg? And the Enterprise-D firing phasers from the torpedo tube? And all other VFX gaffes or easter eggs?

It was just a boneheaded choice by a VFX guy trying to fill out a shot, nothing more.

yreodred · February 2013

Someone at Utpoia Planitia easily could have found the recordings from Voyager and decided to use the Dauntless specifications as a basis for a Starfleet ship.

Let's be honest Cryptics has presented us more ludicrous ships than the Dauntless would be. Think about the galor or the Ferengi Marauder on Federation side and let's not forget the Moebius which is a totally made up ship and has no basis in Trek canon at all.

Anyway, i would see the Dauntless as a extreme Science ship, having a unique BOFF setup of maybe 2 CMDR Science and very few other Stations, maybe just one other Lieutenant and one or two Ensign Universal Stations.

Its console Layout could be similar, being heavy focussed on Science it could have some additional special consoles like the Vesta and some universal Console slots. Giving it's captain a high grade of flexibility to balance the ship between attack power and defense.

artan42 · February 2013

psycoticvulcan wrote: »

That was the Intrepid. They're similar, but not the same design.

No. The Steamrunner it's self, not the Half Saucer ship.
Two are in the Earth Fleet in Stormfront part 2, yes along with the Intrepid Type, and the NC , Emmette, and Warp Delta ships.

thegreendragoon1 · February 2013

Setting aside for a moment the excuse of how an alien ship would get into regular Starfleet service, how do you see the ship represented in the game?

The thing is small, only 7 decks (6 full ones) so it's only a little bit larger than the Defiant. Unlike the Defiant, it lacks any significant firepower. From what we see in Voyager, it's one specialized skill is to go really fast. It also gives up a lot of what Starfleet typically puts in their ships in order to do so.

misterde3 · February 2013

psycoticvulcan wrote: »

It's still canon.

Canon is what's in the prime timeline, this is an alternate timeline.
To be precise it's an alernate timeline where the expanse was not destroyed.
Meaning it diverges from the Prime timeline 80 years earlier than the JJ verse.

spork87 · February 2013

thegreendragoon1 wrote: »

Setting aside for a moment the excuse of how an alien ship would get into regular Starfleet service, how do you see the ship represented in the game?

The thing is small, only 7 decks (6 full ones) so it's only a little bit larger than the Defiant. Unlike the Defiant, it lacks any significant firepower. From what we see in Voyager, it's one specialized skill is to go really fast. It also gives up a lot of what Starfleet typically puts in their ships in order to do so.

extreme long range science vessel. +10 to engines +10 to Aux -5 to weapons. Universal console gives +40 to partical generators +10 to starship stealth. Small Crew size of 230, turn of 17. Can only equip beam array's and torpedo's no dual beam banks. 5 Science Consoles, 4 Engineering, 1 Tactical. Boff layout 1CMDR Science, 1LTCMDR Sci, LT Tactical, LT Engineering, Engsign Science. Hull 32000

spork87 · February 2013

spork87 wrote: »

extreme long range science vessel. +10 to engines +10 to Aux -5 to weapons. Universal console gives +40 to partical generators +10 to starship stealth. Small Crew size of 230, turn of 17. Can only equip beam array's and torpedo's no dual beam banks. 5 Science Consoles, 4 Engineering, 1 Tactical. Boff layout 1CMDR Science, 1LTCMDR Sci, LT Tactical, LT Engineering, Engsign Science. Hull 32000

incorrect it was because of this battle that they sphere builders went back to change the timeline. In Truth Enterprise itself is an alternate timeline not accurate to the real timeline.

hereticknight085 · February 2013

Just gonna point this out: Deep Space Science Vessel, Trident-class. If you look at it, it is strikingly similar to the U.S.S. Dauntless. Just saying.

psycoticvulcan · February 2013

thratch1 wrote: »

Again, so is the Millennium Falcon fighting the Borg?

Yup. It even has its own article on Memory Alpha: http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Unnamed_Federation_starships#Cylindrical_ship_at_the_Battle_of_Sector_001.

artan42 wrote: »

No. The Steamrunner it's self, not the Half Saucer ship.
Two are in the Earth Fleet in Stormfront part 2, yes along with the Intrepid Type, and the NC , Emmette, and Warp Delta ships.

Do you have a screenshot?

misterde3 wrote: »

To be precise it's an alernate timeline where the expanse was not destroyed.
Meaning it diverges from the Prime timeline 80 years earlier than the JJ verse.

The Battle of Procyon V is part of the changes that happened to Daniels' timeline because of the Xindi arc. So it probably did happen.

artan42 · February 2013

psycoticvulcan wrote: »

Do you have a screenshot?

You mean I have to watch Stormfront again

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I'll see what I can do.

snoggymack22 · February 2013

spork87 wrote: »

The ship from Voyager Hope and Fear that had built in Quantum Slipstream ect. I know it was an alien ship but Voyager would have made detailed scans of the vessel and its systems, so its forseeable that Star Fleet could build such a vessel. Id love to see it, as a Long Range Cruiser that operates at slipstream speeds instead of warp drive normally in sector space. Make it a Science or Tactical ship. But id just love to see this hull in the game.

I like this idea. And yeah it was an alien ship. But it was set up to look exactly like a federation ship. And as seen in the episode, the modifications Voyager made to it allowed Seven and Janeway to escape the brig.

This could definitely be made into an in-game ship. Just use the ole "Inspired by" ex machina.

psycoticvulcan · February 2013

artan42 wrote: »

You mean I have to watch Stormfront again .

Just the last sixty seconds of it.

misterde3 · February 2013

psycoticvulcan wrote: »

The Battle of Procyon V is part of the changes that happened to Daniels' timeline because of the Xindi arc. So it probably did happen.

Unlikely given the following details:

The Delphic Expanse took 1000 years or more to form ("Chosen Realm").
At the time of Enterprise it was 2,000 light years in diameter.
It was destroyed at the end of the show's 3rd season.

The Battle of Procyon V was fought inside an Expanse that was 50,000 light years in diameter ("Azati Prime").
Given that the anomalies interacted with each other and thus accelerated the process they might have created an expanse that big by the Battle of Procyon V in the 26th century. Otherwise it is simply impossible even if they'd started over right after the events of "Enterprise's" 3rd season.

That was precisely the point of the entire Xindi arc: the Sphere Builders were aware of that they'd lose that battle and told the Xindi to blow up earth.
Had they not done that earth and the Federation would have been oblivious to what was going on and the battle would have taken place.
The way the Sphere Builders handled it, the entire matter totally backfired.

Also Starfleet would at that point have been aware of this process to transform space and would have curtailed any further atttempts.