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Andorian, Catian ship idea

berniestompaberniestompa Member Posts: 34 Arc User
Hello peeps.

With the recent release of the Andorian escorts, love mine btw, we are starting to see alot of the member races have more influence in ship construction within the Federation.

So far we have the Vulcan science vessel, Caitian Atrox carrier and the Andorian Kumari escorts.

I am wondering if cryptic has any plans to enhance these lines. What I mean is to make lower tier'd variants. This would allow you to play an Andorian and fly nothing but Andorian ships. I feel that this might be an interesting feature. You may change the characteristics of each races ships. Standard Starfleet ships can be your standard, Vulcan are more science focused, andorian are pure dps glass cannons and caitian can be carriers and or other pet control classes.

Obviously this is just and example. I think this idea has merit and could be easily extended to the klink side of the game and any other races that may be added.

So please discuss :)

Regards.
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  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I'd support this (as we've already got something similar with the Klingons).

    That being said, the Federation is built around the sharing of technology. The Klingon Empire is built around Alliances. In theory, Andorian, Vulcan, Caitian (etc) ships shouldn't actually exist (at least military ones). Such species are all members of the Federation, and as such their home planets and military will all be through the Federation.

    If Andoria is attacked, the Federation would send aid, and they'd be Federation ships. Having an Andorian or Vulcan ship indicates that they're pure Andorian/Vulcan design, which somewhat defeats the object of unification between Federation members.

    Least from a lore point of view. But then, there are lore inconsistencies within STO, so hell, why not? :cool:
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  • arcademasterarcademaster Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    More racial themed ships come, but I'm 99,9999% certain they won't be lower tier. There is no money to be made there.
  • scififan78scififan78 Member Posts: 1,383 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    flash525 wrote: »
    I'd support this (as we've already got something similar with the Klingons).

    That being said, the Federation is built around the sharing of technology. The Klingon Empire is built around Alliances. In theory, Andorian, Vulcan, Caitian (etc) ships shouldn't actually exist (at least military ones). Such species are all members of the Federation, and as such their home planets and military will all be through the Federation.

    If Andoria is attacked, the Federation would send aid, and they'd be Federation ships. Having an Andorian or Vulcan ship indicates that they're pure Andorian/Vulcan design, which somewhat defeats the object of unification between Federation members.

    Least from a lore point of view. But then, there are lore inconsistencies within STO, so hell, why not? :cool:

    I wouldn't think that to be entirely accurate. Why? Because the Federation is built to be more in line with the UN rather the US. Each member world is still a sovereign state. With that, they would still have the right to maintain their own military/police organizations. Remember, it is not in Starfleet's mandate to police (Paradise Lost) the Federation's citizens.
  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    scififan78 wrote: »
    I wouldn't think that to be entirely accurate. Why? Because the Federation is built to be more in line with the UN rather the US. Each member world is still a sovereign state. With that, they would still have the right to maintain their own military/police organizations. Remember, it is not in Starfleet's mandate to police (Paradise Lost) the Federation's citizens.
    I suppose that is one way of looking at it.
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  • berniestompaberniestompa Member Posts: 34 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    scififan78 wrote: »
    I wouldn't think that to be entirely accurate. Why? Because the Federation is built to be more in line with the UN rather the US. Each member world is still a sovereign state. With that, they would still have the right to maintain their own military/police organizations. Remember, it is not in Starfleet's mandate to police (Paradise Lost) the Federation's citizens.

    I think the federation is a step beyond UN, especially militarily. Mainly due to the fact that the federations military are capable :P

    Anywhooo :)


    I know it is not canon and has no basis in STO, however the board game, starfleet battles, does have a rather brief history outline. It states that the member worlds fleets were absorbed into starfleet. Soon all ship building was to starfleet standard, sovereign nation starships were slowly retired/mothballed.

    from more canon perspective I can see this being true. Starfleet is the military. Starfleet ships offer the best tech from across the federation. However, starfleet ships are very generalised. They need to be ready to respond to anything and have the equipment on hand. The newer race ships could be an attempt to breed out generalisation for a more specialised set of ships. Once this is completed, treat current vessels as tests, they would be incorporated into starfleet fleet doctrine.

    Any case lets keep the discussion going :)

    Also can we get some ideas for some other member worlds personal starships. I am thinking of a Rigelian Support cruiser with the ability to repair starships in your group. I know you can do that in already but I am thinking something that can do multiple ships. Sort of like a mini repair tug :)
  • eldarion79eldarion79 Member Posts: 1,679 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I think the federation is a step beyond UN, especially militarily. Mainly due to the fact that the federations military are capable :P

    Anywhooo :)


    I know it is not canon and has no basis in STO, however the board game, starfleet battles, does have a rather brief history outline. It states that the member worlds fleets were absorbed into starfleet. Soon all ship building was to starfleet standard, sovereign nation starships were slowly retired/mothballed.

    from more canon perspective I can see this being true. Starfleet is the military. Starfleet ships offer the best tech from across the federation. However, starfleet ships are very generalised. They need to be ready to respond to anything and have the equipment on hand. The newer race ships could be an attempt to breed out generalisation for a more specialised set of ships. Once this is completed, treat current vessels as tests, they would be incorporated into starfleet fleet doctrine.

    Any case lets keep the discussion going :)

    Also can we get some ideas for some other member worlds personal starships. I am thinking of a Rigelian Support cruiser with the ability to repair starships in your group. I know you can do that in already but I am thinking something that can do multiple ships. Sort of like a mini repair tug :)

    Starfleet is the UFP's military. Yes, we have some Picard quotes, but Starfleet has been shown to be the main defensive and offensive arm of the UFP. Starfleet does not police its citizens because you have the local authorities to do that. As for local defense and police fleets, I see them as their version of the US' National Guards and USCG. In time of war, they fall under Starfleet's purview.

    However, if the Astalox Class science ship was commissioned, I imagine it would reflect its design origins (let's say Tellarite) while falling into the design themes of Starfleet.
  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Mainly due to the fact that the federations military are capable.
    Hah! ;)
    The newer race ships could be an attempt to breed out generalisation for a more specialised set of ships. Once this is completed, treat current vessels as tests, they would be incorporated into starfleet fleet doctrine.
    This could be done without species-specific vessels.

    If you want an Escort you'd look toward the Defiant, Prometheus or Gryphon. If you need something Scientific, you look toward the Luna, Nova or Olympic (Medical). There would be little use for each member species having their own unique design just to fly around their home planet.
    I am thinking of a Rigelian Support cruiser with the ability to repair starships in your group. I know you can do that in already but I am thinking something that can do multiple ships.
    If we're getting any other ships, Cryptic first need to rework the D'kyr. There needs to be three versions of that, all with a unique skin. Then they work on a Tellarite Cruiser.


    Back in regard to species-specific ships; this would realistically work one way; if there were Vulcans, Andorians (etc) that wished to have their own ships / order code and didn't join Starfleet, more mercenary-like.

    I suppose there is nothing to say that a colony of Andorians or a colony of Vulcans who were opposed to the Federation created their own ships, but then they'd not be used by Federation players. :rolleyes:
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  • berniestompaberniestompa Member Posts: 34 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    eldarion79 wrote: »
    Starfleet is the UFP's military. Yes, we have some Picard quotes, but Starfleet has been shown to be the main defensive and offensive arm of the UFP. Starfleet does not police its citizens because you have the local authorities to do that. As for local defense and police fleets, I see them as their version of the US' National Guards and USCG. In time of war, they fall under Starfleet's purview.

    However, if the Astalox Class science ship was commissioned, I imagine it would reflect its design origins (let's say Tellarite) while falling into the design themes of Starfleet.

    I agree in some aspects. Local civilian authorities would indeed police their citizens with police forces. Also they would most likely have space based police divisions. However, I would imagine, like our own police forces, these would be very limited in range and weaponry. They would in no way be viable combat starships, unless there was a lot of them. Exception given to SWAT teams ofc :)

    I am seeing the new race specific ships being the result of a starfleet document asking member worlds to submit their out of the box designs. Each race playing to its strengths. Andorians are aggressive and prefer to deal massive damage. Caitians obviously think more along the lines of a pride of lions.
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