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whats the point of new ships when pvp is in such a sorry state?

dylantrinidydylantrinidy Member Posts: 313 Arc User
Does anyone else think that all these new ship are a little pointless with no real pvp or any reason to pvp? I know they need to make money but would'nt they sell more ships if there was some fun pvp? Boot camp should show cryptic that there is a big interest in pvp and its worth investing in. I feel sorry for the boot camp grads because there is really no reason to put their new skills to use.

I know the devs said pvp is going to be worked on but c'mon season 9 is too far away and they did even say season 9 was going to be pvp so it might not even be this year.


From a pvp'er with no reason to log in

Krag
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  • cptvanorcptvanor Member Posts: 274 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Does anyone else think that all these new ship are a little pointless with no real pvp or any reason to pvp?

    What do the ships have to do with PvP? I mean it's not like these ships were designed to only be used in PvP. So the state of PvP has no impact on if new ships should be added or not.
  • crazy6665crazy6665 Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Does anyone else think that all these new ship are a little pointless with no real pvp or any reason to pvp? I know they need to make money but would'nt they sell more ships if there was some fun pvp? Boot camp should show cryptic that there is a big interest in pvp and its worth investing in. I feel sorry for the boot camp grads because there is really no reason to put their new skills to use.

    I know the devs said pvp is going to be worked on but c'mon season 9 is too far away and they did even say season 9 was going to be pvp so it might not even be this year.


    From a pvp'er with no reason to log in

    Krag

    you do know pvp is not the only thing in this game its called pve and people that pve want new ships so they add new ships
  • tenkaritenkari Member Posts: 2,906 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    if i want to PvP i play my klingon... if i want to just blow the TRIBBLE out of things with shiny toys, i play fed.

    for blowing the TRIBBLE out of borg with cool looking cannons, i'll buy the kumari.

    give me a 5 fore slot bop and i'd buy it as well for PvP purposes.
  • shaanithegreenshaanithegreen Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Mo' money, mo' ships.

    -Cryptic Studios (not really)
  • dylantrinidydylantrinidy Member Posts: 313 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    crazy6665 wrote: »
    you do know pvp is not the only thing in this game its called pve and people that pve want new ships so they add new ships

    you defend the pve'ers fine, every new ship is for them because pvp is not worth playing!
    really nothing has been done in 3 years for pvp I think its our turn.
  • ashkrik23ashkrik23 Member Posts: 10,809 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    When was the PVP the reason for new ships?
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  • crazy6665crazy6665 Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    you defend the pve'ers fine, every new ship is for them because pvp is not worth playing!
    really nothing has been done in 3 years for pvp I think its our turn.

    understand where you coming from but you got to look at it this way the people that make those ships are not the ones that make the content for pvp or pve ;) two diff dev teams
  • dylantrinidydylantrinidy Member Posts: 313 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    crazy6665 wrote: »
    understand where you coming from but you got to look at it this way the people that make those ships are not the ones that make the content for pvp or pve ;) two diff dev teams

    there is no pvp dev team, what have they produced in 3 years
  • tsurutafan01tsurutafan01 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    This may come as a massive shock to some mutants, but PvP is in fact not the be all end all in video games. Unless you're playing with your buddies it's a near totally worthless experience in literally every video game that's been done in the past two decades.


    "We are smart." - Grebnedlog

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  • tangolighttangolight Member Posts: 777 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    You're right, they should stop putting out new ships like the Andorian ship they promised over a year ago. It's not lots and lots of people have been waiting for it.

    Let's get those ship artists working on PVP balance instead.
  • azntrigboiazntrigboi Member Posts: 139 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    tangolight wrote: »
    Let's get those ship artists working on PVP balance instead.

    Huh? That kind of doesn't make sense.

    Job Title: Ship Artist
    Job Description: Balancing game mechanics for PvP combat

    :confused:
  • erei1erei1 Member Posts: 4,081 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    azntrigboi wrote: »
    Huh? That kind of doesn't make sense.

    Job Title: Ship Artist
    Job Description: Balancing game mechanics for PvP combat

    :confused:
    That was his point.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • dylantrinidydylantrinidy Member Posts: 313 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    This may come as a massive shock to some mutants, but PvP is in fact not the be all end all in video games. Unless you're playing with your buddies it's a near totally worthless experience in literally every video game that's been done in the past two decades.

    Bloodlines from funcom, DC Universe Online,Ultima Online,guild wars 1,league of legends Heroes of Newerth, Global Agenda,warhammer online, **** and the list goes on really 20 years how many people were pvping in 1992
  • wirtddwirtdd Member Posts: 211 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Does anyone else think that all these new ship are a little pointless with no real pvp or any reason to pvp? I know they need to make money but would'nt they sell more ships if there was some fun pvp? Boot camp should show cryptic that there is a big interest in pvp and its worth investing in. I feel sorry for the boot camp grads because there is really no reason to put their new skills to use.

    I know the devs said pvp is going to be worked on but c'mon season 9 is too far away and they did even say season 9 was going to be pvp so it might not even be this year.


    From a pvp'er with no reason to log in

    Krag

    No. I don't do pvp, I can?t care less about pvp and I love new ships. :D
    Bastet
  • dylantrinidydylantrinidy Member Posts: 313 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    yey buy a 25$ ship so i can destroy some npc hey whatever you into but can we at least agree pvp needs work right now ITS BEEN 3 YEARS
  • dylantrinidydylantrinidy Member Posts: 313 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    tangolight wrote: »
    You're right, they should stop putting out new ships like the Andorian ship they promised over a year ago. It's not lots and lots of people have been waiting for it.

    Let's get those ship artists working on PVP balance instead.

    i didnt say "lets get those artists working on pvp" i said lets get SOMEONE working on pvp just do something tell us your doing something this year? next year? just give us some hope.
  • kahless2001kahless2001 Member Posts: 130 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    yey buy a 25$ ship so i can destroy some npc hey whatever you into but can we at least agree pvp needs work right now ITS BEEN 3 YEARS

    ...and if you had been paying attention through those three years young man, you'd know that PvP is nowhere near the top of the monetary value tree for Cryptic to do anything with :P

    New shiny ships though...they're a money maker and they can keep a lot of players happy.
  • cptvanorcptvanor Member Posts: 274 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Bloodlines from funcom, DC Universe Online,Ultima Online,guild wars 1,league of legends Heroes of Newerth, Global Agenda,warhammer online, **** and the list goes on really 20 years how many people were pvping in 1992

    And of that list... League of Legends is the only game that actually has much of a player base left.

    UO, GW1, War Online, ect... all are either effectively or actually shut down. Perhaps you should try listing some games that people actually play that are PvP focused?
  • azntrigboiazntrigboi Member Posts: 139 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    erei1 wrote: »
    That was his point.

    Ok, now I feel stupid. I think I need my afternoon coffee. :(
  • dylantrinidydylantrinidy Member Posts: 313 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    cptvanor wrote: »
    And of that list... League of Legends is the only game that actually has much of a player base left.

    UO, GW1, War Online, ect... all are either effectively or actually shut down. Perhaps you should try listing some games that people actually play that are PvP focused?

    oh pvp focused now? change your mind ok then

    company of heroes, war thunder, wot, c&c, and every other rts game in the last 20 years wait now you will say mmo's right
  • dylantrinidydylantrinidy Member Posts: 313 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    tangolight wrote: »
    You're right, they should stop putting out new ships like the Andorian ship they promised over a year ago. It's not lots and lots of people have been waiting for it.

    Let's get those ship artists working on PVP balance instead.

    they promised that ship a year ago ok what about the pvp update they promised back in season2
  • azntrigboiazntrigboi Member Posts: 139 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    cptvanor wrote: »
    And of that list... League of Legends is the only game that actually has much of a player base left.

    UO, GW1, War Online, ect... all are either effectively or actually shut down. Perhaps you should try listing some games that people actually play that are PvP focused?

    I play World of Tanks in addition to STO. Now there is a game that's ONLY PvP. However, I will tell you that the issue you're having w/ STF's and PvP matches occur there too. A lot of disgruntled people about AFKers, balance problems, etc. You also have team killing there which doesn't happen in STO, but it also a major issue w/ PvP games. PvP or not, you got the same old TRIBBLE, so to say that PvP is the height of gaming experience is...yeah...not really the case.
  • dylantrinidydylantrinidy Member Posts: 313 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    azntrigboi wrote: »
    I play World of Tanks in addition to STO. Now there is a game that's ONLY PvP. However, I will tell you that the issue you're having w/ STF's and PvP matches occur there too. A lot of disgruntled people about AFKers, balance problems, etc. PvP or not, you got the same old TRIBBLE, so to say that PvP is the height of gaming experience is...yeah...not really the case.

    yeah but how old is wot i dont think it will be the same in 2 years and im not talking about the afk'ers and balance problems ect. just the fact that there has been nothing done in 3 years
  • scheinerchen77scheinerchen77 Member Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    they promised that ship a year ago ok what about the pvp update they promised back in season2


    No they promised the andorian escort right after the release of season 2.
    Maybe the next point on the list is the pvp update, but i wouldn't bet my money on it.

    And like somebody wrote it already.
    New ship = more money for PW and Cryptic
    PvP update = more work for Cryptic and not more money for PW
  • dylantrinidydylantrinidy Member Posts: 313 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    ...and if you had been paying attention through those three years young man, you'd know that PvP is nowhere near the top of the monetary value tree for Cryptic to do anything with :P

    New shiny ships though...they're a money maker and they can keep a lot of players happy.

    well if the "top of the monetary tree" is all cryptic cares about and not what players have been asking for, then geezer all we will get is ships and grind
  • cptvanorcptvanor Member Posts: 274 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    wait now you will say mmo's right

    Well this is a form for STO, which is a MMO. What they do in other games simply doesn't mean a thing here.

    Might as well complain about aim-bots, because talking about what RTS' do means about as much as an aim-bot in a MMO would.

    But please feel free to keep posting nonsense and look even more like the stereotypical PvP'er. You know the kind that do more harm to PvP then anyone else on a message board.
  • pyryckpyryck Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    If you've come to STO to PvP then "you're doing it wrong"! ;)

    If you want PvP in ships in space then EvE is
    that-a-way
    > ;)

    What's the point of even having PvP in STO if it doesn't serve to sell ships? ;)

    Oh, and if you want perfectly balanced PvP play then I can loan you a really old set of Rock'em Sock'em Robots! And when you want a different arena or map to "fight" in, you can just pick it up and move it to another room! Or even outside! ;)
  • cptvanorcptvanor Member Posts: 274 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    just the fact that there has been nothing done in 3 years

    And yet, the game has more players now then it did 3 years ago. Yet lack any sort of meaningful PvP.

    So why exactly should cryptic invest money and resources into a segment of the game that so few people play when they see such a big return on things like new ships, which just about everyone seems to like having.

    Again, it's not like the new ships won't be used by PvPers.
  • cptvanorcptvanor Member Posts: 274 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    pyryck wrote: »
    Oh, and if you want perfectly balanced PvP play then I can loan you a really old set of Rock'em Sock'em Robots!

    Everyone knows Blue is WAY OP'ed and needs to be nerfed.
  • dylantrinidydylantrinidy Member Posts: 313 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    cptvanor wrote: »
    Well this is a form for STO, which is a MMO. What they do in other games simply doesn't mean a thing here.

    Might as well complain about aim-bots, because talking about what RTS' means about as much as an aim-bot in a MMO would.

    But please feel free to keep posting nonsense and look even more like the stereotypical PvP'er. You know the kind that do more harm to PvP then anyone else on a message board.

    just about every mmo has better pvp then sto and you HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT "aim bots in rts? what rts game has any type of aim bot your the guy who said no game in the last 20 yeas has a viable pvp and i list mmo's you say "oh not many people play those list games with a pvp focus" so i list pvp focused games and you say oh those are not mmo's" your a fanboy go kill some npc's
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