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PvP Boot Camp Updates - 2/20/2013
pwebranflakes
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Community Member Sargon checks in to provide important updates for PvP Boot Camp participants, including information about Space PvP Session #3, the new Ground PvP sessions, and more.
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Pull out your credit card and buy $3000 zen points. Buy 3000 keys and sell them for 3 billion energy credits.
Buy a Jem hadar attack ship so you can have a ship that holds 5 tactical consoles and turns like a BOP with decent hull. It should cost you about 500,000,000 energy credits. Then buy the premium duty officers, you know the ones that "sometimes" come in the packs and thatsell on the exchange for 50,000,000 ec. Then you want dual heavy cannons with [acc]x3 flags on them and I imagine by the time you add 7 weapons with acc x 3 on them that you will have spent 1,500,000,000 energy credits. You need purple mk xii consoles and those will run you 250,000,000 ec or thereabouts. The guys you will be fighting often have all veteran boffs and they sell on the black market for 350,000,000 and you will want 5 of those so expect 1,500,000,000 for your boffs if you can find them. After this you will want a pay to win console and a premium engine / deflector / shield set. You might need to donate $1000 worth of "stuff" to your fleet so you can get tier 5 starbase buffs added to your fleet. Rechargeable shield batteries that cost 50,000,000 and other nice add ons will complete the picture.
Add it up together and your total cost will be:
1. 500,000,000 pay to win ship
2. 1,500,000,000 weapons for it
3. 250,000,000 top duty officers
4. 1,500,000,000 boffs
5. 250,000,000 consoles
6. 1,000,000,000 sets ie Jem Hadar mk xii or better
7. 500,000,000 random misc items like recharg shield batt - pay to win console - etc...
Total cost about 5,000,000,000 for your ride. I will even be pleasant and assume you are a dedicated shopper or that you play stfs enough to get one accx3 weapon for free or that you can find discounts. Even if you are great at this it should cost you about 3,000,000,000 for your ride or about $3000.
If you do not have these things then enjoy fighting pvp matches with others that do because there are lots of them out there that will pay any price to enjoy defeating you.
You can go to boot camps all day but they wont teach you things that pay to win players do not know. You might get encouraged to become cannon fodder for awhile but if you want to win or even just to compete you better pay up. Thats the point here isnt it. Encourage people to pay.
PvP would be fun if the playing fields were equal. League of Legends is overflowing because its wonderfully balanced and the newest player that signs up today is on an equal playing field based on equipment, balance, and playability. Skill separates people there. Money separates people here.
Hey, I love pvp and I want you to have fun with it. But if you want to be the best then look at whats on the rides of the best players and then build it up. If you dont then pvp will be frustrating for you.
Just one mans opinion.
Go to Boot Camp if you want,
New friends are good
I think they point they were trying to make is that it feels like you really can pay to win. Sure, there are captains out there that can take out most pay to win people, but they are few and far between. In most cases, even they have spent money to get better gear. It is exceedingly rare that a 100% ftp player is going to best someone who has dropped money on this game. Like I said, I am sure there are a couple of people who really are that good out there, but they are very much a rare commodity.
That being said, attending a free class is hardly a bad thing. Who knows. You may actually come away with some useful information.
Thus, given the constant negativity in general on the STO forum, when it comes to the PVP Boot camp people need to quit being negative! There is a time and place for everything and when it comes to bootcamp in particular there need only be praise of the efforts behind putting this together for FREE and out of the personal time and efforts of each personal coach!
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It's not just a free class though.
Top PvPers are just there, doling out their knowledge for the sake of PvP, for the sake of the PvP ecosystem.
Even if you never PvP again afterwards (which would be a shame) you will still learn quite a lot about the combat mechanics in this game, team-focused play, skills & BOFF powers.
It's definitely worth it.
Considering that I play League of Legends on and off, I wouldn't call that game balanced either. I get what your saying about pay to win in PVP in this game, it holds true in most MMOs. Even fighting games like Street Fighter 4 and Tekken Tag aren't truly balanced, the competitive pros will tell you that. But what's the harm in learning about PVP from veteran players and playing with them for fun. I don't see anything bad about the boot camp at all. I don't play the pvp modes in STO, but this interests me as a way to learn more about the game and how to become a better player overall.
For the vast majority of sheer mortals, spending billions to get Mk XII purple shinnies, Doffs, bugs and whatnot won't save them. Gear dependency used to be a non-issue in STO. This has slightly changed, and we should all keep a careful eye on that development. However, PvP Boot Camp is about the power of teamwork. Two people in RA ships with green gear who know what they are doing are often enough to destroy an all lockbox pug on the opposing side.
I am still using Mk XI blue gear on 3 of my toons. From S2 when those Crafted or Dil Store items were the standard end-game gear. The fact that many players feel that pay2win has gotten out of hand is something that should be of interest to Cryptic. But in 99.99% of matches, gear is not the deciding factor. If you want to find out what is, feel free to sign up.
And since I just stumbled across this rumor in game yesterday, let me be very clear. Boot Camp does not impose any gear restrictions for the sessions. If something is broke and you play style relies on it, you are better of learning to move without the crutch, which is what we are trying to help players with. So we will explain why certain items and powers are broken and considered crutches, and often banned from premade matches. We won't, however, deny you your crutches.
a history of sto pvp: 2010 - 2011
a history of sto pvp: 2012 - 2013
Having played only RTS games for pvp enjoyment and competition, i've always found that the more prominent players offer help and training in effort to polish their own ego's, and tend to act like they're doing something other than sitting at a computer desk. Do players here act like they're doing something other than playing a sci fi game derived from a series that's commonly associated with social rejects? :eek:
Yes, I realise i'm playing a star trek game myself, but I didn't say anywhere i'm anything but ashamed of the fact I really like it, who's to blame for that? If you're currently single, own a captains uniform and hate star wars, you know who you are. :P
As for the balanced comments, I've played forsaken and perfect world with PW and those are what you call unbalanced, try playing someone that can wipe you out with one skill due to epic mastery and chroma. ( which is where this game will be going, so enjoy the ride!
Where do people like you come up with the justification to start baseless rumors and outright lies?
There is no nonsense like any of what you state above, and for the record I am not a teacher (I'm a student in the ground portion).
We call each other by our character names or @handles, we chat on TS like real humans and are accountable like real humans for the things we say and do and can't hide behind the anonymity of text.
I saw that in the comments section of the article... Teamspeak. As in, teamspeak is required to participate.
If this is true, that needs to be made clear.
I would argue that it should be made clear, anyway. If it isn't required it should also say that.
Because I don't use voicechat. I won't use voicechat.
I don't care if someone thinks that I am condemned to suck at life because of it. Those people aren't worth my time.
But if I am going to consider signing up for some game thing or joining a fleet, whether voice chat of some sort is required, or if it is going to place you into a second-class citizen bracket if you choose not to use it, should be clearly stated up front.
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As far as the video, it's all well and good and pretty, and I suppose that it is serving double-duty as a commercial to get people to buy non-standard ships, but if everyone is flying the special stuff, it probably isn't encouraging to people that fly the normal stuff.
Hey, I get it; People that spend money are the people that they want playing the game. I am okay with that.
But those ships weren't particularly 'Star Trek-y', if you know what I mean.
I would have much rather seen a team of one tac, one eng, and one sci on each side, with the federation in an escort, cruiser, and science ship, and the other in comparable Klingon vessels.
Also seemed oriented towards escorts. Maybe escorts are superior in PvP (or maybe they are superior in general), but skill isn't about using the best ships with the best gear. It's about making the most of what you have.
1.) It's a lot easier for many people to give and receive long-form explanations through voice chat than through text chat.
2.) During combat, you can't type. You can speak. A significant portion of good teamwork is communication, and you don't win team PvP matches without teamwork. PvE and random/pickup PvP may be Escorts Online, but Organized/premade PvP is about teamwork. Escorts tank well enough for PvE, but in PvP having a Cruiser by your side turns a tough little warship into an unbreakable little warship, and a Science ship is often what you need to soften up targets so that the Escort's strikes will actually matter.
If you can't type and fight you've failed to understand the ability of keybinds.txt in this game.
And no amount of boot-camp will save you from a group of friends who know each-others style of play with a balanced set of ships and have top gear. Because of how niche and deprived PvP in this game is the ironic result is that only the enthusiasts play it and they are damn good at it. What you have in this game is a cadre of hardcore PvPr's making up the majority of the PvP playerbase making it very hard to break into especially with underpowered gear.
And of course rule no.1 Beware Klingons.
Having said that learning team work principles would be damn useful for those who engage in PvE as well so even if they find it to hard to break the glass ceiling in PvP they can always transfer the skills they learned from PvP Bootcamp to PvE.
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The attitude towards the coaches themselves as being ego driven is completely uncalled for and has absolutely no bearing on the reality of what Boot Camp was all about! Remember, the coaches themselves are doing this for FREE! So show some respect.
The whole point of PVP is TEAMWORK and the skills being taught could be easily transfered to PVE. Nobody is expecting to come out of this learning how to be invincible, rather, the information and practice itself is invaluable to our learning how to create and work better as a team. If anything, people should stop ******** and start asking for help instead...plenty of klingon players especially would be happy to help if you would just ask for it instead of hurl insults, have a tantrum and hide behind a BS attitude.
I don't know how Branflakes and company put up with this childish $hit... :eek: More power to them!!
Non-hearing impaired players, join bootcamp and listen to people say things that may well include language that you don't want invading your ears.
Hearing impaired people, well, too bad.
The whys and wherefores do not matter. I just think that this should be included in the article.
Doesn't seem like it would be too difficult to add "Teamspeak required to listen to instruction" to all of the other words that were in the article.
Adding a reference to listening to everyone else that decides to throw a tantrum when things don't go their way is optional. :cool:
not sure what you are talking about. We have text-only classes for hearing impaired players.
a history of sto pvp: 2010 - 2011
a history of sto pvp: 2012 - 2013
While denouncing the help that BootCamp PvP is trying to give out please remember that egoes are the biggest thing stopping one from enjoying this aspect of the game.
I dont have 3billion Ec to spend but I still have fun in PvP and have even occassionaly killed the so called P2w players from time to time with luck and teamwork.
Honestly, the parts of the playerbase calls the KDF ungrateful yet are just as bad themselves when someone tries to help.
Sheesh.
All I could do is listen this last BootCamp and yet I still learned things I did not know and am grateful for the knowledge.
R.I.P
It's required because it would be a truly ridiculous task to ask the teachers to try and teach using text only.
The sessions can literally go on for hours as PLAYERS, donate their FREE TIME, to teach anywhere from 6 to 12 other players combat & teaminc mechanics, gear, skills and answer every question under the sun.
It was made very clear, in all of the bootcamp registration threads.
Did you not read them? You who is adamant they will never use teamspeak, are you actually saying you are also unable to read details in a thread?
Teamspeak is required because:
A) It is the foundation for all high level team play.
C) It's the most efficient method for the teachers to communicate.
Don't join if you can't, but don't make a giant fuss about it here in a thread promoting PvP Bootcamp.
Not everything in life will be set up that let's you take part in it. That's life.
No amount of text/keybinds can realistically handle all of the fast paced communication, mid-battle strategy changes, rapid combat flow decision making and coordinated strikes that TS or Vent can provide.
Exactly.
And meeting other people through bootcamp means you will have other players you know and might be able to make groups with.
It means the other guy you are shooting might be someone you know or are friends with, or you have something in common with - it makes the whole community better for it.
Make no mistake, PvP Bootcamp is a community driven effort with the very specific goal of improving the PvP community and ecosystem.
Same top pvpers who make premades/pugmades to stomp pugs? :rolleyes:
Maybe there are some fleets that do this, however:
1) Most of the good fleets do not set out to specifically "stomp pugs".
2) Playing with your fleet mates does not automatically make the team some super premade that is totally optimized. A lot of times it's just "whoever is online" and a desire to play with your friends/fleet (insanity!!!)
3) The PvPers offering their time to PvP bootcamp are doing it with the goal to help other players get stronger, because it will hopefully create some stronger opponents to face and not "pug stomp".
Quite literally one of the goals is to teach more players how to not be disorganized pugs that are boring to fight.
If you think that keybinds text file will allow you to type and fight at the same time, either you don't understand the limitations of such a keybind file, or you have wayyyyy too much experience texting while driving, my friend. Besides, when you register, one of the points that you have to fill out clearly asks if you have any kind of disability that will stop you from using TS, in which case a text-only coach would have been provided to you. I'm myself a mic-muted student, meaning I can't speak in TS, but I can hear just fine. I don't think I lost out on anything because of that.
Elite Defense Stovokor
Even though I'm just a student, I want to thank you for posting this.
Its great when players such as yourself can come in and demonstrate the quality and value that bootcamp is providing and help douse the flames of people who seem upset about the whole thing without even trying it out for themselves.