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Do Cryptic/pwe ever listen to us and the heavy cost of these new ships.

chaz200565chaz200565 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
Do cryptic ever listen to us,regardless of what we write in any thread?
What is being done about these bug problems?theres been no information to the best of my knowledge. Do they seriously want to lose more players,or do they even care????

The heavy cost of new ships.

Yet again another new ship heavily way overpriced.The kumari.
With the way things are in the world today,there are many who like me do not have loads of money to splash out.
Does cryptic/pwe think we all are very rich or have won the lottery??? I hope not.
I know they are a business and have to make money,but in todays economic climate,cheaper more reasonable prices are a must.
2,500 zen for a ship,in uk terms works out as about ?20-?25. That is far too much.
1,000 zen would be a more reasonable affordable price.
Yes i could save the zen through the exchange but for that price,its weeks possibly months to get that. Thats an easy way to get very TRIBBLE off.
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  • kahless2001kahless2001 Member Posts: 130 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Ok, I'll bite...

    It's a F2P game. People have been wanting to buy it for a very long time and put up the pennies for it.

    Cryptic want your money, not a little, a lot of your money. People WILL pay for this ship, and will pay for the whole set. Keep in mind there are still plenty of alternatives to gaining ships via dilithium to Zen conversion. The paying real money route is a quick and easy route but not the only one.

    Whether or not I will put up the pennies for it depends on whether I want it on one of my characters. I don't have to buy it after all.
  • grazyc2#7847 grazyc2 Member Posts: 1,988 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    If you think it's wrong start play somewhere else all you guys do is complain.
    If this was the case when you could only enter the game if you had to pay I would agree with you but this is complaining about something that doesn't even excist.

    The game is FREE TO PLAY, so if you want someting special you have to pay, remember that all those guys have to pay mortgage on there houses, they have to pay the bills just like us. so I find it normal to pay for some extra on a game I can join for free.
    Ok so please stop complaining the whole time try to enjoy the game as it is otherwise I strongly sugest to wait for the big patch the bugs will be adressed then if not just report it again and again. But stop complaining cause I do think Cryptic allready know the bugs are there.
    STO is one MMORPG who is holding there ground against mega ferms like Electronic Arts, Maxis, Sierra and lot's more !!!
    But they standing there ground, they realy came thrue that last three years for that I can only say they did an outstanding job well done.
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  • momawmomaw Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    People WILL pay for this ship, and will pay for the whole set. Keep in mind there are still plenty of alternatives to gaining ships via dilithium to Zen conversion. The paying real money route is a quick and easy route but not the only one.


    Actually, since somebody had to spend to get that zen to sell in the first place, every Z-store or lobi ship you see flying is money for Cryptic somewhere along the way.
  • hravikhravik Member Posts: 1,203 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Yes, they do listen. They listen to the people that will pay those prices. I don't like the prices either, but if enough people are willing to pay it, Cryptic will keep doing it.
  • chaz200565chaz200565 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    kirk2390 wrote: »
    If you think it's wrong start play somewhere else all you guys do is complain.
    If this was the case when you could only enter the game if you had to pay I would agree with you but this is complaining about something that doesn't even excist.

    The game is FREE TO PLAY, so if you want someting special you have to pay, remember that all those guys have to pay mortgage on there houses, they have to pay the bills just like us. so I find it normal to pay for some extra on a game I can join for free.
    Ok so please stop complaining the whole time try to enjoy the game as it is otherwise I strongly sugest to wait for the big patch the bugs will be adressed then if not just report it again and again. But stop complaining cause I do think Cryptic allready know the bugs are there.
    STO is one MMORPG who is holding there ground against mega ferms like Electronic Arts, Maxis, Sierra and lot's more !!!
    But they standing there ground, they realy came thrue that last three years for that I can only say they did an outstanding job well done.
    :D
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    I would to be able to buy ships or other items at affordable prices,not the current ones which are way overpriced. Yes i know its free to play by the way.
    I don't expect things to be totally free,just affordable which they are not at this time.
  • alsomeiguessalsomeiguess Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    put aside a dollar a day and you can buy a ship a month....its called budgeting.
  • grazyc2#7847 grazyc2 Member Posts: 1,988 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    put aside a dollar a day and you can buy a ship a month....its called budgeting.

    Allready did that and I'm not rich either but I manage and we don't have to buy it directly right so indeed just make a little saveing each day or weak thats how we do it same goes for the lockboxes with a bit off luck offcourse....
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  • tenkaritenkari Member Posts: 2,906 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    kirk2390 wrote: »
    Allready did that and I'm not rich either but I manage and we don't have to buy it directly right so indeed just make a little saveing each day or weak thats how we do it same goes for the lockboxes with a bit off luck offcourse....

    penny pinch dilithium and real money and you could probably cut down almost half the price in a week or two of dilithium converting.
  • nyniknynik Member Posts: 1,628 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    chaz200565 wrote: »
    What is being done about these bug problems?theres been no information to the best of my knowledge. Do they seriously want to lose more players,or do they even care????

    I gather that the best of your knowledge doesn't extend to peeking at the Tribble test forums?
  • ufpterrellufpterrell Member Posts: 736 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Put it this way, STO's F2P framework is VERY generous. Having recently tried SWTOR again I was shocked how restrictive the game was for free players or even those with preferred status. Imagine being only able to run a handful of STF's per week, having to buy a one time token to equip those MkXII MACO sets you've been grinding so long for.

    Cryptic make up "losses" from actually allowing people to play the game by charging extra for the main attractions in the C-Store, the ships. They are nice to have but NOT a requirement for playing the game. Hell if I can level a character from 1-50 with a TOS Constitution I think you'll do fine in your plain Tier 5 Sovereign.

    You are not being forced to buy these ships, and like has been mentioned previously... there are alternative means of getting them. Unlike in TOR you can get Zen through the Dilithium exchange. I only paid for 500zen to get my Vesta bundle, I paid for the rest with hard earned Dilithium.
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  • smokeybacon90smokeybacon90 Member Posts: 2,252 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Alternatively, do your prior research and don't jump at every shiny 3-pack that they release. The Ody pack, may look pretty, but all 3 ships are superseded by other cruisers. Flashy Vesta pack? Wells and Mobius want to say hello. These are not the be-all and end-all, and you should think whether you really need 3 ships and 3 universal consoles for this much money.
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  • zerobangzerobang Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    chaz200565 wrote: »
    Yes i could save the zen through the exchange but for that price,its weeks possibly months to get that. Thats an easy way to get very TRIBBLE off.

    that tells me that you really need to work on your Dil farming infrastructure.

    i can do that in 20 days without going out of my way to earn it.

    if i really want to grind it out i can do it in a week.


    of course the Dil to Zen rate being as low as it is (went up to 93 yesterday) helps a lot.


    10 Chars give you a cap of 80.000 Dilithium per day, if you do just 20.000 a day (2000 per char) you are already in the green zone.

    20.000 / 93 = 215 Zen per day * 20 days = 4300 Zen, and the other 700 you will get in that time from normal play... a bit of DOffing every day, and STF here and there... no problem.


    If you just have one character... well time to work on some ALTs.

    I did this the whole last year, takes about 45 minutes a day. I got almost nothing left to buy in the C-Store now. It isn't hard all you need to be is persistent. One log in a day doing the easy stuff a few times.
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  • lordagamemnonb5lordagamemnonb5 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Flashy Vesta pack? Wells and Mobius want to say hello..

    The Vesta is superior to both of those as a science ship. Moe on point all three cost an exorbitant amount.

    OTOH, if people enjoy forking over money for new ships for which there is nothing new in game to use them on, more power to you.
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  • twg042370twg042370 Member Posts: 2,312 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    chaz200565 wrote: »
    Do cryptic ever listen to us,regardless of what we write in any thread?

    Sure. But I bet that as professionals they're really good at filtering the useful feedback from the screaming and breath-holding and don't respond to the second. Take from that what you will.
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  • naeviusnaevius Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Remember they have plenty of metrics about how many people buy what, so I'm sure they set their prices fairly optimally.

    How many people run around in 800 lobi ships? That alone requires spending $200 on keys! Basically the F2P model here is that enough people will spend big bucks to support all those who spend very little or nothing.
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  • emacsheadroomemacsheadroom Member Posts: 994 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Meh. The dilithium exchange is so deep in the toilet that it takes roughly a month and a half to grind enough dilithium to afford a 3-pack like the Odyssey. That's ludicrous generosity from a mmo company that would prefer you buy virtual items for real cash.
  • lordagamemnonb5lordagamemnonb5 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Nothing wrong with an adult spending their money the way they want to. I just wish we got some actually content and bug fixes for our investment. Where's all that money we give them going?
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  • thisisoverlordthisisoverlord Member Posts: 949 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    twg042370 wrote: »
    Sure. But I bet that as professionals they're really good at filtering the useful feedback from the screaming and breath-holding and don't respond to the second. Take from that what you will.

    They aren't professionals they can't even deliver assets in a uniform way Unique bridge for Andorian ship none for Vesta or D'Kyr, smacks of amateurs failing deadlines and cutting components out accordingly just to rush to sale.

    Nothing about Cryptic strikes me as being "professional"
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  • thisisoverlordthisisoverlord Member Posts: 949 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    ufpterrell wrote: »
    Put it this way, STO's F2P framework is VERY generous. Having recently tried SWTOR again I was shocked how restrictive the game was for free players or even those with preferred status. Imagine being only able to run a handful of STF's per week, having to buy a one time token to equip those MkXII MACO sets you've been grinding so long for.

    Cryptic make up "losses" from actually allowing people to play the game by charging extra for the main attractions in the C-Store, the ships. They are nice to have but NOT a requirement for playing the game. Hell if I can level a character from 1-50 with a TOS Constitution I think you'll do fine in your plain Tier 5 Sovereign.

    You are not being forced to buy these ships, and like has been mentioned previously... there are alternative means of getting them. Unlike in TOR you can get Zen through the Dilithium exchange. I only paid for 500zen to get my Vesta bundle, I paid for the rest with hard earned Dilithium.

    You must be joking you used SWTOR as a comparison? firstly TOR is horribly TRIBBLE when it comes to it's pricing, at least it actually has a good storyline that is F2P. Still it's foolish to use SWTOR's system as comparison as it's the worst in the industry and not representative of the industry at all.

    If you look at DDO or LOTRO or DCOnline for example they have a way better more successful F2P framework which offers far better value for money, they all also offer a more polished less beta game experience.

    People aren't forced to buy these ships but people are looking for anything to make the game feel a little less boring and crappy.
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  • hyplhypl Member Posts: 3,719 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    The sad thing is, people seem to be completely fine with MACRO-transactions and forking over so much money for imaginary spaceships in an online game. Honestly, I'd rather spend $50 on another game. Or two. Maybe three.
  • erei1erei1 Member Posts: 4,081 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    zerobang wrote: »
    I did this the whole last year, takes about 45 minutes a day. I got almost nothing left to buy in the C-Store now. It isn't hard all you need to be is persistent. One log in a day doing the easy stuff a few times.
    For all your alts ? because if you are able to generate 215zen/45m, I really want to know how you do that. I still have a lot of C store item to unlock^^
    hypl wrote: »
    The sad thing is, people seem to be completely fine with MACRO-transactions and forking over so much money for imaginary spaceships in an online game. Honestly, I'd rather spend $50 on another game. Or two. Maybe three.
    Buying imaginary things on an online universe, that's the whole cash shop idea across every games so far. If you don't like it, you should stay on p2p and avoid cash shop. I still find a bit stupid the whole concept of paying for something that do not really exist, even if I do it, but I guess that's because I'm becoming old.
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  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    nynik wrote: »
    I gather that the best of your knowledge doesn't extend to peeking at the Tribble test forums?

    Your post suggests that testing on Tribble actually does something about bugs. But this game's three year history demonstrates that Tribble is just an exit that bugs pass quickly on the highway between the internal test server and Holodeck. The bugs don't even play punch Cruiser or wave at the silly players who are trying to "test" things as they zip on past Tribble and jump onto the live server.
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  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    twg042370 wrote: »
    Sure. But I bet that as professionals they're really good at filtering the useful feedback from the screaming and breath-holding and don't respond to the second. Take from that what you will.

    That's debatable. A lot of useful feedback has been delivered on issues in the past, like how to create more story content with less staff. Yet they didn't do much with that feedback.

    Right now they're taking feedback on fleet marks and starbase progression. They don't seem to be filtering that feedback very well.
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