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which do i choose caitian or tac odyssey?

lokenpulganlokenpulgan Member Posts: 0 Arc User
Hey all
So as the title states, which do I choose?
Well I'm a tac captain and i know those ships are for tanking and support, but i would like to be able to dish out some good dps too /-)
All advice is greatly appreciated
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  • scififan78scififan78 Member Posts: 1,383 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    If you are a tac captain then I would go with the Tac Odyssey. The Atrox is essentially a science ship with fighter pets. I have it on my Caitain Science Captain and I am still trying to learn how to use her effectively. Just my opinion though.
  • dracounguisdracounguis Member Posts: 5,358 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Go for the Odyssey bundle, as a Tac you're gonna want the saucer seperation but that comes with the engineering Oddy. so go bundle, you'll essentially get the Sci one for 'free'

    Neither ship is really a dps dealer, if you want a tac-y big ship (and have 90M EC) get the Jemmy Dreadnaught.

    Any my permanent advice, if you can be patient, wait for a Z-store sale. They are frequent enough that you should not have to wait too long. Save yourself 15%.

    There's always the Gal-X dreadnaught. Can carry cannons, but turns like a dead whale superglued to a sandbar grounded supertanker. But if you are doing STFs, the Borg NPCs don't move much so movement is not that great of a deal.
    Sometimes I think I play STO just to have something to complain about on the forums.
  • vintage1gamervintage1gamer Member Posts: 31 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    caitian of course
  • lokenpulganlokenpulgan Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Hey all
    So as the title states, which do I choose?
    Well I'm a tac captain and i know those ships are for tanking and support, but i would like to be able to dish out some good dps too /-)
    All advice is greatly appreciated
    Go for the Odyssey bundle, as a Tac you're gonna want the saucer seperation but that comes with the engineering Oddy. so go bundle, you'll essentially get the Sci one for 'free'

    Neither ship is really a dps dealer, if you want a tac-y big ship (and have 90M EC) get the Jemmy Dreadnaught.

    Any my permanent advice, if you can be patient, wait for a Z-store sale. They are frequent enough that you should not have to wait too long. Save yourself 15%.

    There's always the Gal-X dreadnaught. Can carry cannons, but turns like a dead whale superglued to a sandbar grounded supertanker. But if you are doing STFs, the Borg NPCs don't move much so movement is not that great of a deal.


    "Neither ship is really a dps dealer"

    Thx for the info, never understood why the big ships like these two ( and all carriers ) are not the dps dealers as they are portrayed in the films and all the series? I chose a tac captain as I intended play the big ships, but they turn out to be just hulks of shield and no dps :-(

    I wanted be in a huge ship, blowing stuff up with, not ease, but quickly and with a sense that I'm deal
  • lokenpulganlokenpulgan Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Sorry pressed enter on my phone in error.....

    So as i waa saying, a sense I was dealing high damage nice and steady. Seems lame that if I want to put out high dps I have to fly around in a tiny escort like a fly buzzing around the enemy ships :-(

    Shouldn't a powerhouse be like a powerhouse in every sense of the word, huge and destructive?

    Also why call it a tac odyssey if it ain't a dps machine...aren't the tac side of things meant to be the dps'ers??

    Thx again all for any replies and info...I do appreciate it
  • acoldtacoldt Member Posts: 64 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Neither, heavy escort carrier as an engineer, you can't do any better for tanky/killy ships.
  • lokenpulganlokenpulgan Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    acoldt wrote: »
    Neither, heavy escort carrier as an engineer, you can't do any better for tanky/killy ships.


    Thx, I just checked it out...to be hinest thats a pretty decet ship, that is a dps machine and an additional boff too! Hull a little weak, but again my point proven. If u want a killing machine you have to have one of these medium sized ships....why can't they make a nice bug carrier ship of destruction as it should be.....

    LOL I just had a thought, people buy bug cars to compensate, trust me that's not what I'm doing, I just live the big ships from the films and series.

    I don't want to be in a poo'ey defiant "little ship" as riker called it ahahah I want be in a huge ship, laying waste to enemy vessels :-)

    I'm just gonna get a caitiin and try kit it out with as much dps as n can :-/ and pray the fighters invet for it kick TRIBBLE.
  • lokenpulganlokenpulgan Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    any more ideas/suggestions plz?
  • starhoundstarhound Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Just buy the Excelsior. It has way better turn rate and with a nice cannon build it can cause some pain. Yet it feels 'bigger' than the escorts and can tank nicely.

    The Atrox doesn't seem like the route to go down if DPS is your thing. A TAC in an Atrox seems weird.
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  • erei1erei1 Member Posts: 4,081 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Thx, I just checked it out...to be hinest thats a pretty decet ship, that is a dps machine and an additional boff too! Hull a little weak, but again my point proven. If u want a killing machine you have to have one of these medium sized ships....why can't they make a nice bug carrier ship of destruction as it should be.....

    LOL I just had a thought, people buy bug cars to compensate, trust me that's not what I'm doing, I just live the big ships from the films and series.

    I don't want to be in a poo'ey defiant "little ship" as riker called it ahahah I want be in a huge ship, laying waste to enemy vessels :-)

    I'm just gonna get a caitiin and try kit it out with as much dps as n can :-/ and pray the fighters invet for it kick TRIBBLE.
    As history have proven time and time again, the most powerful ship were not the biggest. Nelson's English ship vs French ship, renaissance pirates ships vs galleon, antiquity greek ship vs persian ship, WWII german ship, WWI submarines...

    As for the TV shows ship, the cruisers are usually not warship, but exploration ship. As such, they are not the best for war.
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  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    acoldt wrote: »
    Neither, heavy escort carrier as an engineer, you can't do any better for tanky/killy ships.

    I think he should be flying a Galor if he wants a big ship that is a beast in combat.
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  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I feel for you. I don't like the small escorts any more than you do, I actually only like the MVAE, although I'm developing a newfound respect for the patrol escort.

    From your suggesttions, I'd agree with the member that recomended the Oddy. bundle. Get the bundle, you'll have the aquarius to support you although sometimes it dies rather fast, but you'll also get nice defensive bonus from the consoles. And you'll have the saucer separation, so you can make use of an cannon/turret build for higher DPS than beams.
    The Atrox is predominantely a science ship and you can set it up to take a hell of a beating and be an excellent healer/buffer/debuffer, but not even Gandalf's magic can make that one a good DPS dealer. :P

    However if you want to maximize on your tac. skills and DPS, you're best off flying an escort. The patrol escort is tanky for an escort and the MVAE is also cool. You can get MVAE and the the Mirror Patrol Escort for 100-150 k EC from exchange and slap the Multi-Vector console for added tankiness to that one.

    But if you like using bigger ships like cruisers, do it. The game is about having fun after all and if you like a cruiser, get a cruiser. Try the Tac. Oddy with the bundle if you have the zen. Or, you can look into the Regent or even better the Excelsior. Excelsiors are known to work well with tac. captains.
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  • gavinrunebladegavinruneblade Member Posts: 3,894 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    "Neither ship is really a dps dealer"

    Thx for the info, never understood why the big ships like these two ( and all carriers ) are not the dps dealers as they are portrayed in the films and all the series? I chose a tac captain as I intended play the big ships, but they turn out to be just hulks of shield and no dps :-(

    I wanted be in a huge ship, blowing stuff up with, not ease, but quickly and with a sense that I'm deal

    Apparently it is a video game rule that MMO designers must incorporate the "holy trinity":
    Healers/debuffers with low damage and medium to low survivability
    Tanks with low damage
    Damage with low survivability

    In STO this became, in order, Science, Engineer, Tactical officers and respectively Science Ships, Cruisers, and Escorts.

    Nevermind that the big guns of a battleship were backed up by the heaviest armor available so those things were both the highest damage and highest survivability...

    The though process is that if you don't make everything "balanced" everyone will just go for whatever is "the best". Then no MMO ever gets balance correct and everyone does exactly that anyway. So meh.
  • thepantspartythepantsparty Member Posts: 431 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    The reason the biggest, most survivable ships don't deal the most damage is that game balance trumps anything else. Having a single type of ship with the highest damage and defense might be more realistic, but it would make any other type of ship irrelevant.
  • momawmomaw Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Really it sounds like the OP wants a battlecruiser. The KDF does these the best, but on the Federation side you can get the D'kora Marauder or Galor cruisers from the exchange (for a lot of EC). The Excelsior (advanced heavy cruiser) is a reasonable approximation of a battlecruiser and can be bought for zen.
  • rustiswordzrustiswordz Member Posts: 824 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Its funny for me. My Tac Captain is in an Oddy cruiser and my engineers use escorts! That's the gret thing about this game you can mix and match an awful lot if you wish.

    My Oddy is the free 02 anniversary one and its still an awesome ship in its own right despite the release of the Cstore versions. It has a Lt Commander universal slot so if you want extra bang bang these consoles will give it. It turns like a cow but its turn is still a fraction better than the Galaxy X Dreddy. The c store ones are even better with the extra abilities.

    Excelsior Retrofit. Nice speed and turn, has a good tac boff slot and its transwarp drive is useful if you need to zip about the universe in a hurry.

    Regent, lays between the Oddy and the Ex, a good all round ship with a little pew a little zoom and a little tanky. Also has the very nice wide angle quantum torpedo launcher, a very useful piece of kit with a full 180 degree firing angle and only slightly less dps than a normal XII purple launcher. Can be fitted to any ship too! Niiice!

    Galaxy X. So deeply disappointed with this ship. On paper it should lay between the Ambassador and the Sovereign. Its more useless than the ambassador which is a nice flexible cruiser in its own right.
    The X is fitted with dual heavy cannons and a forward lance super phaser. However its speed and turn is so bad you might once maybe twice get the chance to take a pot shot with these weapons during an stf. In pvp its useless because only the most stupid of players will fly in front of the X, sticking to the sides. The phaser lance because it is a phaser weapon means to get the most out of it you need to equip the ship only with phasers which limits you to the type of energy weapons to use. Its tactical boff slots are equally as bad. Should be as good as the Excelsior or better. I think Cryptic will surprise us and give the Galaxy line an overhaul until then avoid the X.

    Those are my cruiser impressions. As with any ship, only you the ships owner can bring out your vessels true potential. Hope it helps. :D

    PS: If you really want a pew pew cruiser, GO KLINGON!!! LOL ;)
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  • temp3rustemp3rus Member Posts: 125 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Hey, I have both the Oddy and the Kitty Carrier captained by Tacts, my opinion is the Oddy bundle as its more versatile than the Kitty.

    Now I'm not dissing the Kitty as its a beauty if flown correctly and does take a bit of time to fine tune. In STFs I love using it, it tanks and it hits and heals.

    Like I said the Oddy is more versatile, don't underestimate the universal boffs and the chevron separation to quickly tune it into a more escort type.

    Neither ship will out DPS an escort but both are fun to fly and can really take a beating, have fun :)
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