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The bio neural warhead

mrphazermrphazer Member Posts: 17 Arc User
edited February 2013 in Federation Discussion
let me ask u some thing why cant fed ship have it because the uss voyager is the first ship to even see them
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  • shookyangshookyang Member Posts: 1,122
    edited September 2012
    mrphazer wrote: »
    let me ask u some thing why cant fed ship have it because the uss voyager is the first ship to even see them

    http://www.stowiki.org/Bio-neural_Warhead
    STO wiki wrote:
    A Bio-neural Warhead is a heavily armored tricobalt explosive equipped with shields and a Point Defense System, piloted by an onboard sentient Bio-neural A.I..

    I'm guessing that has something to do with the Federation not using this particular technology.
  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,885 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    mrphazer wrote: »
    let me ask u some thing why cant fed ship have it because the uss voyager is the first ship to even see them

    Umm no, they used basic Tricobalt devices, they did not use bio neural warheads.
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  • travelingmastertravelingmaster Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    One, because it's not the kind of technology the Feds would use.

    Two, it's a KDF exclusive and should remain so. We get some of those too, you know? It's not all about the Feds.
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  • hevachhevach Member Posts: 2,777 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    shookyang wrote: »
    http://www.stowiki.org/Bio-neural_Warhead


    I'm guessing that has something to do with the Federation not using this particular technology.

    Seriously, that part.

    It's existence seems to be a simple act of cruelty. It needs minimal intelligence and gains nothing by being sentient - other unmanned devices exist that duplicate its functions without sentient AI. It is brought into existence only to die. It's as if the only reason for it to be sentient is that conventional warfare just isn't cruel enough for some people. Those people need to know that their bullets are dying, too. Because.
  • hereticknight085hereticknight085 Member Posts: 3,783 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    travelingmaster wrote: »
    One, because it's not the kind of technology the Feds would use.

    Two, it's a KDF exclusive and should remain so. We get some of those too, you know? It's not all about the Feds.

    What he said. Besides, think about it. Why would the Federation use tech like that? It's basically death on impulse engines. Feds are supposed to be more civilized. The KDF on the other hand is not above using something like that to get the job done, because let's face it, it's brutal, it's cruel, it's disgusting, but by GOD it's effective.
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,005 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    Why does the KDF has something I can't use on my FED toon? I call foulplay! This has to stop!

    Or, you know, make a KDF char. If you want one thing the other side has... play the other side instead of demanding everything is copied in blue. It's not that KDF content is something exclusive you couldn't access by creating a klingon toon for free.
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  • shookyangshookyang Member Posts: 1,122
    edited September 2012
    hevach wrote: »
    Seriously, that part.

    It's existence seems to be a simple act of cruelty. It needs minimal intelligence and gains nothing by being sentient - other unmanned devices exist that duplicate its functions without sentient AI. It is brought into existence only to die. It's as if the only reason for it to be sentient is that conventional warfare just isn't cruel enough for some people. Those people need to know that their bullets are dying, too. Because.
    Bio-Neural Warhead: It's like strapping a missile to a puppy and telling it to go fetch.
  • tlamstriketlamstrike Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    shookyang wrote: »
    Bio-Neural Warhead: It's like strapping a missile to a puppy and telling it to go fetch.

    Its been done...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-tank_dog

    In Several...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bat_bomb

    Different ways...

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  • angarus1angarus1 Member Posts: 684 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    As a Fed player, I'd like to keep the Bio-Neural Warhead KDF-exclusive. :P
  • hevachhevach Member Posts: 2,777 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    tlamstrike wrote: »
    Its been done...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-tank_dog

    In Several...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bat_bomb

    Different ways...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Pigeon

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  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    tlamstrike wrote: »
    Its been done...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-tank_dog

    In Several...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bat_bomb

    Different ways...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Pigeon

    True, but the Humans of the the Star Trek reality have moved past such barbaric pratices that make a mockery of thier ideals about the rights of sentient life, no matter how evolved.

    Klingons have a different view on artificial life it seems and see the minds that control the Bio-Nueral missles as only simple software.

    It needs to remain a KDF only weapon. In fact I think its our only KDF specific torpedo while the feds have at least two they call thier own.
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  • mrphazermrphazer Member Posts: 17 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    lianthelia wrote: »
    Umm no, they used basic Tricobalt devices, they did not use bio neural warheads.
    The bio nural warhead was being fired at voyager (voy ep human error) seven of nine analysed it 4 times so starfleet should of learned about the bio nural warhead to fight the klingion empire
  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,885 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    mrphazer wrote: »
    The bio nural warhead was being fired at voyager (voy ep human error) seven of nine analysed it 4 times so starfleet should of learned about the bio nural warhead to fight the klingion empire

    Just because they might know how it works and how to fight it doesn't mean that they themselves would employ it.

    I don't remember that warhead having anything to do with the Klingons.
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  • mrphazermrphazer Member Posts: 17 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    travelingmaster wrote: »
    One, because it's not the kind of technology the Feds would use.

    Two, it's a KDF exclusive and should remain so. We get some of those too, you know? It's not all about the Feds.

    they used it on "the warship voyager" in "liveing witness" they may off goten the disign because the federatoion has transwarp
  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    mrphazer wrote: »
    they used it on "the warship voyager" in "liveing witness" they may off goten the disign because the federatoion has transwarp

    It had *EDIT CORRECTION: biogenic* weapons, not bioneural.

    Also "Warship Voyager" was supposedly armed with "Photonic Torpedoes" and had a crew of 300, a Borg Assault Squad...and did you forget the entire thing was a totally fake propaganda history made up centuries after the show?
  • bubblygumsworthbubblygumsworth Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    I'm all for unique consoles, if I had it my way I'd return my AMS to the fed ship that it was stolen from :P
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  • scipherscipher Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    LOL you know the Devs will give it to the Feds its just a matter of time mark my words.
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  • vadmjasonwolfevadmjasonwolfe Member Posts: 15 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    fetching puppy missile ftw
  • vadmjasonwolfevadmjasonwolfe Member Posts: 15 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    shookyang wrote: »
    Bio-Neural Warhead: It's like strapping a missile to a puppy and telling it to go fetch.

    Fetching puppy missile ftw

    LOL

    Seriously though, the Russians actually tried that during WWII. It was called the dog bomb, and was devised as a means of destroying enemy tanks. It worked sort of. Look it up.
  • crusty8maccrusty8mac Member Posts: 1,381 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    angrytarg wrote: »
    Why does the KDF has something I can't use on my FED toon? I call foulplay! This has to stop!

    Or, you know, make a KDF char. If you want one thing the other side has... play the other side instead of demanding everything is copied in blue. It's not that KDF content is something exclusive you couldn't access by creating a klingon toon for free.

    This. Really. Embrace the KDF for those things they have that the Feds don't. You might have fun.
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  • vadmjasonwolfevadmjasonwolfe Member Posts: 15 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    hevach wrote: »
    90's TV flashback: Wasn't the talking superdolphin on Seaquest originally trained to plant bombs on enemy submarines?

    OMG :0
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  • futurepastnowfuturepastnow Member Posts: 3,660 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    I'd say there's a decent chance that a future lockbox will include a cross-faction torpedo pack, from which Feds get the Bioneural and KDF get the wide-angle.
  • andoriansrusandoriansrus Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    @futurepastnow

    and with that said I expect to see that lockbox either as season 7 releases or very shortly thereafter.... but they are gonna have to come up with an amazing ship to put in there too... like oh I dont know the Jem'hadar Dreadnought ? maybe the Romulan Bird of Prey/Warbird ??? who knows


    and thuse another distinctly unique thing from the KDF will dissapear.....
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  • belalbelal Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    I just had one drop from a dominion chest for my federation character, been trying it out. Hate its bound to character, would love it to be bound to account so I can send it to other characters.
  • hravikhravik Member Posts: 1,203 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Bad necromancer! Bad! *squirts with squirt bottle*
  • lasoniolasonio Member Posts: 490 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    lol, what a totally useless weapon.

    And a totally old thread.

    Anyhow didn't voyager fire something like this at the Undine to help the borg defeat the first enemy they ever truly feared?

    I fire it all the time since i like the way it looks and I get 965 damage to ring up... big whopdedo...

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  • captainfry420xcaptainfry420x Member Posts: 28 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I loved the Bio-Neural Warhead until today's Tricobalt update. I'm ok with the update in general, but the Bio-Neural Warhead seems to have its damage halved but not the cooldown. This is a serious problem, in my view, and I hope it is fixed quickly.
  • helixsunbringerhelixsunbringer Member Posts: 249 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    shookyang wrote: »
    http://www.stowiki.org/Bio-neural_Warhead

    I'm guessing that has something to do with the Federation not using this particular technology.
    STO Wiki wrote:
    A Bio-neural Warhead is a heavily armored tricobalt explosive equipped with shields and a Point Defense System, piloted by an onboard sentient Bio-neural A.I..

    That fact would be a valid one, assuming that the artificial intelligence in question is on the same level as a Positronic Brain such as what is inside of Data mk1, Lore, and B4 (though B4's brain is a bit lower level than Data and Lore's Brains). However from what I am gathering the Bio-Neural A.I. is probably just a basic Intelligence program installed with enough software to allow it to perform tactical maneuvers on it's own while operating weaponry and activating an arming sequence. Nothing so advanced as to have higher reasoning capacity or emotions. However as we all know, Star Trek Artificial Intelligence is a Crapshoot.
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