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k022#6452 k022 Member Posts: 300 Arc User
If we get a new Romulan faction... The devs might make it so you need to have T-5 ROM REP completed....:mad:
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Extremely doubtful if its an actual faction. If the devs are deciding to remove the barrier for playing a KDF character, then such restrictions will not exist in future factions. If Romulans are a level 50 faction, then they could restrict it to needing Tier 5 Romulan Reputation.

    However, a Romulan faction would make more sense in having nothing to do with New Romulus except for what the Captains decide to do. A Romulan captain could level up Romulan Reputation and might have a few dialog changes due to being the same race, but New Romulus might be considered as a group of cowards by whatever Romulan government forms. Have some doubts about a Romulan faction since the outcry by introducing a new faction without finishing KDF would be enormous.
  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I doubt it.......
  • erei1erei1 Member Posts: 4,081 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I think you'll have to do the reputation grind. Just like in LOTRO, you can be a lorien elf, but your faction with lorien will start at 0, just like anyone else. It's kinda stupid, but it's for gameplay sake.

    Also, there is 2 solutions for a Romulan faction, either it will be a 3rd faction, probably not related to New Romulus, and you'll have to help them, just like feds or klingons did. Or you'll start as a New Romulus member, and join either KDF or Feds, and have to help because you are part of a larger faction.

    I'm sure you'll have to grind, don't worry !
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  • thutmosis85thutmosis85 Member Posts: 2,358 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    poopbang wrote: »
    If we get a new Romulan faction... The devs might make it so you need to have T-5 ROM REP completed....:mad:

    Not that hard anyway ... 2 hours of chasing bunnies does the trick ... what's more frightening is, how they're gonna implement FE's with 3 Factions ... it's already kind of silly in some Missions, playing as KDF ... not gonna cry doom now, but this might be the death of "regular" Story Content ...
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  • captainrevo1captainrevo1 Member Posts: 3,948 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Other than the fact its actually not that hard to get to tier 5, i see no reason why they would do this at all.

    no doubt, if it is a romulan faction, it will be tied to the c-store in some capacity as its a free game so they have to. why would you then block the content off and a source of income off by a time wall?

    i know they added some of the missions to the rep system, but that a quite a different thing, as they are small. an entire faction that would attract a lot of players, old and new would not have that kind of restriction
  • khayuungkhayuung Member Posts: 1,876 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Come on, doing Romulan STFs would still be Marching Under The Raptor's Wings...

    I bet that's what we're getting. A head on fight with Sela. Which is a cutpasta of the Donatra fight.


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  • captainrevo1captainrevo1 Member Posts: 3,948 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    khayuung wrote: »
    Come on, doing Romulan STFs would still be Marching Under The Raptor's Wings...

    I bet that's what we're getting. A head on fight with Sela. Which is a cutpasta of the Donatra fight.

    do you really think they would advertise an stf fight 4 months in advance, with teaser videos and its own web page?

    it may not be a faction, but if its content it will be significant.
  • unangbangkayunangbangkay Member Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    no doubt, if it is a romulan faction, it will be tied to the c-store in some capacity as its a free game so they have to. why would you then block the content off and a source of income off by a time wall?

    I don't think it would be tied to the C-store. They tried that with the "Adventure Packs" for Champions Online.

    The result was that the Adventure packs sold quite poorly, so they simply unlocked everything into the main game and set it up to emulate STO's Feature Episodes.

    I have 3 predictions how this will go:

    1. Full 3rd faction, similar to the current KDF (i.e. only unlockable if you have a Fed of a certain level, starts at Level 20 or 50), with a full tier 3-5 ship progression featuring Rommie designs. IMO this is the least likely, but if it happened I wouldn't be surprised.

    2. A Romulan Lockbox/C-store debut, Playable Race Unlock, and Feature Episode set (which may or may not be restricted to Romulan Characters). This would be the simplest to implement, but given that they're teasing it like it matters a lot more implies that the work will be more indepth than usual. If they plan to actually sell this, this is where it will happen.

    3. An exclusive "semi-faction" with a new "Starter/Home zone". Players will create a Romulan Character of a certain level and proceed through missions exclusive to Romulans, with a tiered set of Romulan ship progression or choices, but end up "aligning" with the Feds or the Klinks when they get to the endgame. Rommie ships will be added to the selection of both factions, but may or may not be exclusive to Rommie characters. Feds will finally get ships with battle cloaks, and KDF...BIG ships with cloaks? Can't remember if Neg or Voquv can cloak. But D'deridex can.

    I think #3 is the one that will happen. It's more in-depth than a Feature Ep or a Lockbox, but is less work and risk than debuting a whole new faction with all the hangups that entails. Furthermore, it adds Romulan ships to the rosters, which have been heavily demanded.

    And even they don't debut any original, 25th-century classes, the rommie ships fit perfectly into the class trinity. Bird of Prey is a BoP, Mogai is an Escort/Raptor, and D'Deridex is a fat cruiser/BC. Maybe they'll add a carrier type to hold Scorpions, though I doubt it will be a Scimitar (sorry guys). Maybe something that LOOKS like a Scimitar, but smaller and not a dreadnought.

    Lastly, there's also potential for a story there. Because the Star Empire is cast as an enemy in game, it might make more sense to debut the character as a New Romulus officer. Both the Feds and Klinks are courting them, so it's possible that the New Romulans would join up with either.
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  • captainrevo1captainrevo1 Member Posts: 3,948 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I don't think it would be tied to the C-store. They tried that with the "Adventure Packs" for Champions Online.

    The result was that the Adventure packs sold quite poorly, so they simply unlocked everything into the main game and set it up to emulate STO's Feature Episodes.

    I dont mean the faction itself, that will almost certainly be free as that is how PW do things. i mean the ships, costumes, hirogen playable race, lock box keys etc.

    if you play a romulan, there will be something to buy, or someway to spend money for starbases or whatever. they wont want to hinder that income by having people go through hoops to begin with.
  • unangbangkayunangbangkay Member Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I dont mean the faction itself, that will almost certainly be free as that is how PW do things. i mean the ships, costumes, hirogen playable race, lock box keys etc.

    if you play a romulan, there will be something to buy, or someway to spend money for starbases or whatever. they wont want to hinder that income by having people go through hoops to begin with.

    Oh I see. Almost certainly there will be paid Rommie stuff.

    Allow me to revise my #3 prediction from above:

    Romulans unlock as a playable race of either faction, but with an exclusive set of quests that end in Rommies joining the usual endgame grind alongside either faction. This makes most sense if the player is a New Romulan and not a regular Rommie.

    Rommies will have a choice of free romulan-designed ship that may be exclusive to Romulan captains. I predict you will be able to choose from the 3 most common rommie ships (BoP, Mogai, D'deridex). Based on stats and likely performance they will be closest to the Klingon class trinity (BoP/Raptor/Battlecruiser). Feds finally get a battle cloak ship and a BoP-equivalent. The ships may or may not be unlocked for all faction characters via the shipyard or starbase.

    Shortly after, Cryptic debuts the Romulan Lockbox with a lockbox ship and lobi ship of original, 25th-century Rommie design. The new ships will have set synergy with the Reman and Romulan Rep equipment sets.

    On the C-store, Cryptic debuts a Hirogen race unlock (possible, but also possibly not, since the Hirogen are allied with the "evil" romulans), a classic Romulan BoP replica ship (like the NX or TOS Connie).

    Thoughts?
  • captainrevo1captainrevo1 Member Posts: 3,948 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I think Romulans will start at level 30, 40, maybe even 50 itself.

    its tricky when you only have like 4 canon ships to work with and 2, maybe 3 races. coupled with the fact they dont have the time to fully flesh out klingons anything more than that seems unlikely.

    this will basically get them in the game, give them access to the endgame stuff, maybe some of the FE and any upcoming content. they will most likely use new romulus as their start zone, with some modifications and extra missions just for romulan players. they will also probably add their own starbase which will get even more people pumping in dilithium.

    i am unsure if they will do a romulan lockbox itself. its possible but i doubt it. it depends what direction they go in.
  • unangbangkayunangbangkay Member Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I think Romulans will start at level 30, 40, maybe even 50 itself.

    its tricky when you only have like 4 canon ships to work with and 2, maybe 3 races. coupled with the fact they dont have the time to fully flesh out klingons anything more than that seems unlikely.

    This is why I don't think Roms will be a full faction. Not enough races, not enough ships (barring even more original designs).

    And even though Roms were in demand as a faction, will people really flock to Rom content enough to endure the Dil/Rep/Starbase grind when they're already doing it for their Klinks and Feds? Cryptic already said themselves that fleshing out more Klink content is hard enough to justify when Klinks are in the minority, what more a move that risks splitting the overall level of investment across the existing factions?

    IMO it's better business to unlock Roms in such a way that players can contribute to their ongoing Fed/KDF participation while still experiencing new content in a substantial way, hence my prediction from above.
  • tobar26thtobar26th Member Posts: 799 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    poopbang wrote: »
    If we get a new Romulan faction... The devs might make it so you need to have T-5 ROM REP completed....:mad:

    Very unlikely to happen.




    And if it does? Meh, not like it's hard to hit T5 to be honest. I'd be ok with it I guess.
  • arcademasterarcademaster Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    this will basically get them in the game, give them access to the endgame stuff, maybe some of the FE and any upcoming content. they will most likely use new romulus as their start zone, with some modifications and extra missions just for romulan players.

    I'm for one would be totally happy with that. I already have four characters, when I make a new toon I don't do it so I can run through all the episodes over and over but to try new playstyles and ships. So the closer to endgame they start, the better.
  • synkr0nizedsynkr0nized Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I could easily see New Romulus being updated more, Romulans and Remans being an option in the character creator (either as an addition we all get or, much more likely, as new race unlocks in the Z-store), and a Death Knight or Pandaran-like process of leveling a bit to get some background and story relative to New Romulus and its growth before returning to / choosing your faction and continuing along the same episodes that Klingons and Federation players share on to end-game (i.e. being like the KDF, with regards to story, and only having differences in the first episode).

    Romulan and Reman ships would become available via the Z-store to both factions for folks who don't have more character slots or who don't want to make a Romulan or Reman. Romulan and Reman characters would get regular ship unlocks via the faction they belonged to if you didn't feel like buying these ships. Maybe you start out with a notable faction-specific ship, though.

    A couple of STFs that deal with New Romulus fighting off the Tal Shiar, the empress, and perhaps even Iconian nonsense would be added for end-game.


    That would be the easiest way to make a new "faction" and seem, to me anyway, to offer new options via the Z-store that align with how other unlocks have been added to the game.


    However if it's a full-blown copy of the KDF (as I highly doubt we'll see either the KDF or anything added for Romulans match fed content) that could be pleasantly surprising and offer additional racial choices in character creation if Romulan allies were included.


    In any case, if it's just lockbox stuff and a couple of store items, that would be a little disappointing compared to the hype given via the announcement page and dev/Dstahl comments posted here on the forum. But not wholly surprising.
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  • vsilverwings1vsilverwings1 Member Posts: 572 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I nearly misunderstood the subject of this thread. In any case if you think that's bad think about a new faction = new Fleet base, embassy, the reputations......all...over...again.

    Enjoy.
  • unangbangkayunangbangkay Member Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I'm for one would be totally happy with that. I already have four characters, when I make a new toon I don't do it so I can run through all the episodes over and over but to try new playstyles and ships. So the closer to endgame they start, the better.

    For the record I'd rather a Rom faction not start at 50 unless having an existing 50 is requirement for starting one.

    Why? Then you'll get a TRIBBLE-ton of newbs starting Romulans and entering the endgame with zero conception of how to play the game, even less than the newbs that got to 50 through missions only and enter ESTFs with skittleboats and whine that their c-store ships don't make them uber.
  • syberghostsyberghost Member Posts: 1,711 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    do you really think they would advertise an stf fight 4 months in advance, with teaser videos and its own web page?

    it may not be a faction, but if its content it will be significant.

    Actually, I could see them doing that, since it's been a long time since a truly "new" STF was added. Finishing up one that had been hyped for years is one thing, but a totally brand-new one, with a new reputation set, with much-asked-for rewards? Yeah, that would be something they'd hype bigtime.

    Not saying I think they'll do that; I think it's going to be a mini-faction. But yeah, it could be an STF and related reputation stuff including ships.
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  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    syberghost wrote: »
    Actually, I could see them doing that, since it's been a long time since a truly "new" STF was added. Finishing up one that had been hyped for years is one thing, but a totally brand-new one, with a new reputation set, with much-asked-for rewards? Yeah, that would be something they'd hype bigtime.

    Not saying I think they'll do that; I think it's going to be a mini-faction. But yeah, it could be an STF and related reputation stuff including ships.


    If cryptic were to hype a FE I think they would hype Iconions or something that would not lead players on ...But to hype on Romulans in this way knowing a good portion of the forums wants a Romulan faction, to tease it that way and make people assume....Cryptic is playing with Plasma fire. it will be an interesting few months.
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