In my opinion, its really is not that great of a ship. I know its free, so to me it dont matter, but that does not change the fact that for to me, it really is some thrown together garbage. I personally think its perfect as a novelty ship to have sitting on your shelf, but to me that's it.
I personally believe The fleet excelsior is superior in all ways....turn rate, hull, boff layout and consoles.
I think even the C store Assault cruiser is a better ship with the same turn rate and hull basically.
I own the fleet assault cruiser myself, have encountered several of these ambassador ships in pvp match and blow them up just as easy as i do any ship but really, I dont think this free ship is nothing to be praised. Maybe "if" they release a fleet version it would be ok to me, but they have not yet.
I am just becoming irritated more and more with the F2P crowd that comes in from flying what I believe to be mirror universe garbage ships to obtaining this other free ship and telling everyone that its the best ship in game, and that every class can use it without a hiccup....well, im sorry, but I personally believe they r wrong.
You know, as a F2P player I feel slightly offended and here is why. Some of us don't have the money to try and sink into this game to get the best stuff like you do. I personally make do with what I can get and I was very impressed with the Ambassador during the mission.
I am considering both my regular and fleet versions to run a pure Chronitron build on the weapon setup with and RCS console, Polyduranium/Neutrionium armor, EMF, and Plasma Manifolds for the eng slots; Bio-Function and Shield Emitters for the Sci, and than whatever else I can fit into the Tac to boost the weapons; or even get the Temporal set if I can. This would also include Combat Impulse Engines and Regenerative Shields. Not sure about the Deflector yet.
It really is not that great of a ship. I know its free, so it dont matter, but that does not change the fact that it really is some thrown together garbage. Its perfect as a novelty ship to have sitting on your shelf, but that's it.
The fleet excelsior is superior in all ways....turn rate, hull, boff layout and consoles.
Even the C store Assault cruiser is a better ship with the same turn rate and hull basically.
I own the fleet assault cruiser myself, have encountered several of these ambassador ships in pvp match and blow them up just as easy as i do any ship but really, this free ship is nothing to be praised. Maybe "if" they release a fleet version it would be ok, but they have not yet.
I am just becoming irritated more and more with the F2P crowd that comes in from flying mirror universe garbage ships to obtaining this other free ship and telling everyone that its the best ship in game, and that every class can use it without a hiccup....well, im sorry, but they r wrong.
*Cheers*
So, a free ship that takes 15 minutes to get is "not that great" compared to what is supposedly the best ship in the game (which costs like 25 bucks if you're f2p) with 500K in dilithium worth of equipment?
I think the "love" is coming from surprise that the ship isn't complete garbage, as one would expect a free ship to be. Granted, -I- wish there was a sci-heavy version, as I prefer Science buffs/debuffs to Engineering ones and just respec'd my whole crew to function in a Rear-Admiral Science ship (I forget what class it is)... but ah well. It's a good second choice if I feel I need firepower more than de/buffs.
I think the "love" is coming from surprise that the ship isn't complete garbage, as one would expect a free ship to be.
To be fair ... When the game launched, the best ships in the game were free. It took two years or so of constant c-store punishment for the playerbase to be trained to have the pavlovian response that free ships are garbage.
Why would they give us a ship then take it away? That never happened before. When the event is over it means, you can't get the ship for free and the may start selling it C-store.
Yes, it did happen, BTW. When the new Enterprise class was first launched (For free I might add) it was nerfed when the 3 ships were released in the C-store. That's why I said that and that's why I stand by it. Ok?
You know, as a F2P player I feel slightly offended and here is why. Some of us don't have the money to try and sink into this game to get the best stuff like you do. I personally make do with what I can get and I was very impressed with the Ambassador during the mission.
I am considering both my regular and fleet versions to run a pure Chronitron build on the weapon setup with and RCS console, Polyduranium/Neutrionium armor, EMF, and Plasma Manifolds for the eng slots; Bio-Function and Shield Emitters for the Sci, and than whatever else I can fit into the Tac to boost the weapons; or even get the Temporal set if I can. This would also include Combat Impulse Engines and Regenerative Shields. Not sure about the Deflector yet.
Thank you from me for pointing out to many of these players that many of us can't afford to pay that kind of money are doing our best to make due. Some players act like they just don't get that.
It really is not that great of a ship. I know its free, so it dont matter, but that does not change the fact that it really is some thrown together garbage. Its perfect as a novelty ship to have sitting on your shelf, but that's it.
The fleet excelsior is superior in all ways....turn rate, hull, boff layout and consoles.
Even the C store Assault cruiser is a better ship with the same turn rate and hull basically.
I own the fleet assault cruiser myself, have encountered several of these ambassador ships in pvp match and blow them up just as easy as i do any ship but really, this free ship is nothing to be praised. Maybe "if" they release a fleet version it would be ok, but they have not yet.
I am just becoming irritated more and more with the F2P crowd that comes in from flying mirror universe garbage ships to obtaining this other free ship and telling everyone that its the best ship in game, and that every class can use it without a hiccup....well, im sorry, but they r wrong.
*Cheers*
I just dig when some player tells others that they are wrong because they disagree with their OPINION.
I am just becoming irritated more and more with the F2P crowd that comes in from flying mirror universe garbage ships to obtaining this other free ship and telling everyone that its the best ship in game, and that every class can use it without a hiccup....well, im sorry, but they r wrong.
The freebie ship is on par with the other freebie ships of that level. The C-Store version will doubtlessly have better stats. So you can go buy it and feel as 733t as heck over the great unwashed masses of Silvers once you get it.
It really is not that great of a ship. I know its free, so it dont matter, but that does not change the fact that it really is some thrown together garbage. Its perfect as a novelty ship to have sitting on your shelf, but that's it.
The fleet excelsior is superior in all ways....turn rate, hull, boff layout and consoles.
Even the C store Assault cruiser is a better ship with the same turn rate and hull basically.
I own the fleet assault cruiser myself, have encountered several of these ambassador ships in pvp match and blow them up just as easy as i do any ship but really, this free ship is nothing to be praised. Maybe "if" they release a fleet version it would be ok, but they have not yet.
I am just becoming irritated more and more with the F2P crowd that comes in from flying mirror universe garbage ships to obtaining this other free ship and telling everyone that its the best ship in game, and that every class can use it without a hiccup....well, im sorry, but they r wrong.
*Cheers*
Interesting that you seem to feel an Assault Cruiser is a better Science/Support ship. Checking all of the Assault Cruisers, I see none of them are capable of lvl 3 Science Skills, and none can have more Science consoles than the Ambassador. Further, only the Assault-Retrofit has better Tactical Boff stations (both ships have identical console allocations), but costs 2500 Z-points compared to the Ambassador's 0 Z-points. The Fleet Assault Cruiser is even more expensive overall, and still does not equal the Ambassador in Science ability.
You base your evaluation of the ship on -solo- -PVP- play. That is wrong, especially for a -support ship-. PVP is not the main part of STO, and support ships are teamplay ships, not soloists. So maybe you should evaluate the Ambassador on what it can do to support other ships in team PVE missions compared to how useful a baseline Assault Cruiser (which is the ship you will have to compare the Ambassador to in price and Tier) is in that same role.
In short, your analysis is flawed and based on how good an Assault Cruiser the Ambassador is, not how good a Support Ship it is, and you are comparing it with ships not in its tier.
Please dont lump all of us f2players together....i for one have used my own money to get the vesta 3 pack, the oddy three pack, the armatage, defiant refit, defiant retrofit, fleet defiant, tier 5 heavy cruiser, and on the doorstep of fleet heavy cruiser. and i am 3 weeks away from getting my lifetime membership. That being said i enjoyed the ambassador today. i took it to an elite khitomer match and owned the probes and a cube solo......not bad for a free "garbage" ship.
I am Loving the Ambassador Class Ship. I think it is the most balanced ship in the game that is good for Tac, Eng, and Sci captains alike. The BOFF layout is great with the the LT, and Commander Eng Boff slots, LT Commander slot, and LT / Ensign Tac slot, eventhough I would prefer a Lt Commander Tac and dump the Ensign just to get the better offensive powers and manuvers. The three Tac consoles has been what all cruisers needed from day one. It adds a little bite to the beams.
Thanks, Devs.:-)
While Ambassador is a *decent* ship, I will hold my reservations - until a Cstore of Fleet (10 console) version is made. I think it needs another Tac or Sci slot to be considered *on-par* with its elder sister, Excelsior. As is stands, the Fleet Excelsior is still superior to the Ambassador.
Don't get me wrong, the *free* Ambassador is a good free ship. As a player I hope the Devs are smart enough to release a Fleet or Mirror, or Cstore version that is slightly better. Bottom Line: Ambassador's final Fleet/Cstore should be on-par with the Excelsior in every way (10th console, turn, etc). Just a different BOFF setup and that would be a fair compromise.
I just played the mission to get the ship. I play a Sci an i usally use sciships and from the stats the Ambassador was a normal Engi Cruiser, maybee a Taccruiser for me.
But after the mission i have to say, see it as a wish cryptic.
I want a Enterprise C Refit of the Ambassador.
Realy, that was the ship i allways wanted. Commander and Lt. Commander Sci Slots on a Cruiser. It could have been the first real scicruiser after we got a lot of taccruisers. Or even some mix between a cruiser and an escort (Breen). As a sci, that wants to play a sci, my choices are limited. The typical sciships, the Wells and the Vesta. Even the sci Ody is not a real option.
So please, I realy want to see that Refit for the Ambassador. In the Z-Store or somewhere else. For the Z-Store there should be a 3. sci console to bring it in line (10 consoles). And maybe an universal ensing slot.
Or make it the new BoP, 3 of each console, 4 universal slots
I just played the mission to get the ship. I play a Sci an i usually use sciships and from the stats the Ambassador was a normal Engi Cruiser, maybe a Tac cruiser for me.
Really, that was the ship i always wanted. Commander and Lt. Commander Sci Slots on a Cruiser. In the Z-Store or somewhere else. For the Z-Store there should be a 3. sci console to bring it in line (10 consoles). And maybe an universal ensing slot.
Or make it the new BoP, 3 of each console, 4 universal slots
Well, perhaps a sci orented fleet version with an 8 turn, (10 console slots) those 2 Sci Boffs would fill in a nice niche for captains.
That being said i enjoyed the ambassador today. i took it to an elite khitomer match and owned the probes and a cube solo......not bad for a free "garbage" ship.
+1 on this observation. It may not have the same stats as a fleet Excelsior (which I also own) but with a proper build and single cannons/turret build I saw very little difference in performance. At times it felt over powered against the Borg which surprised me. In any case, for a free ship, its nicer than some of your average c-store stuff.
"The world ain't all sunshine and rainbows. It's a very mean and nasty place and I don't care how tough you are it will beat you to your knees and keep you there permanently if you let it. You, me, or nobody is gonna hit as hard as life. But it ain't about how hard ya hit. It's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward." - Rocky Balboa (2006)
By the way for all those down talking the Ambassador and saying what ah horrible ship it is, and oh it will be nerfed when the waaay better C-Store version comes out, etc etc etc...
Well guess what.
THERE WILL BE NO C-STORE VERSION!
A couple Dev's were on ESD a couple nights ago, someone said one of them was Stahl himself.
They were participating in the Anniversary Festivities and answering questions about the Ambassador and said that there are no plans for a C-Store Ambassador, but that they are considering offering a Fleet Variant at some point.
But for now, the Ambassador is as it is... it will be a unique ship and those of us who have them are the lucky ones with a kick TRIBBLE Cruiser!
By the way for all those down talking the Ambassador and saying what ah horrible ship it is, and oh it will be nerfed when the waaay better C-Store version comes out, etc etc etc...
Well guess what.
THERE WILL BE NO C-STORE VERSION!
A couple Dev's were on ESD a couple nights ago, someone said one of them was Stahl himself.
They were participating in the Anniversary Festivities and answering questions about the Ambassador and said that there are no plans for a C-Store Ambassador, but that they are considering offering a Fleet Variant at some point.
But for now, the Ambassador is as it is... it will be a unique ship and those of us who have them are the lucky ones with a kick TRIBBLE Cruiser!
Stahl himself once said there were no plans for the game to go to free to play. Just something to keep in mind.
Enjoying the ship so far as I always loved the design of the Enterprise-C and it's nice to get a free ship you can use both while you are leveling and also at end game. Right now I'm using it mainly for a fresh look and to see something different when I am playing the game.
For my Engineering captains though I honestly don't see a whole lot of difference from my Excelsior retro-fit, and my Excelsior can def. take more punishment. Overall the Ambassador to me feels like a re-skinned Excelsior, but that's just me. I love it on my science captain though.
It really is not that great of a ship. I know its free, so it dont matter, but that does not change the fact that it really is some thrown together garbage. Its perfect as a novelty ship to have sitting on your shelf, but that's it.
The fleet excelsior is superior in all ways....turn rate, hull, boff layout and consoles.
Even the C store Assault cruiser is a better ship with the same turn rate and hull basically.
I own the fleet assault cruiser myself, have encountered several of these ambassador ships in pvp match and blow them up just as easy as i do any ship but really, this free ship is nothing to be praised. Maybe "if" they release a fleet version it would be ok, but they have not yet.
I am just becoming irritated more and more with the F2P crowd that comes in from flying mirror universe garbage ships to obtaining this other free ship and telling everyone that its the best ship in game, and that every class can use it without a hiccup....well, im sorry, but they r wrong.
*Cheers*
A cruiser shooting down another cruiser tends to have far more to do with comparative build viability and equipment than it does the quality of the cruisers themselves. And the Ambassador is far better equipped to look after it's wing men than any tactical cruiser out there. Cryptic love money: QED, Fleet version is inevitable.
Stahl himself once said there were no plans for the game to go to free to play. Just something to keep in mind.
A VERY valid point indeed.
Never underestimate Cryptic's ability to sniff out earnings potential.
This is a very popular ship, (course it's new), but I for one would buy a C store version, with a unique console and one of the other variants skins, like the Andrew Probert one maybe, AND I would get a fleet version too if it were available.
And to add my voice, I too wish they would give the Galaxy another pass to make it more viable.
Surely Cryptic must notice that that ship isn't used much. It's a damned shame too.
Well, perhaps a sci orented fleet version with an 8 turn, (10 console slots) those 2 Sci Boffs would fill in a nice niche for captains.
Please, not as a fleet variant. It is ok, when there are better versions for fleets. But not only for fleets. There are to much captains out there that are not in a fleet and don't want to be in a fleet.
Like me . I don't have the time for a fleet.
Please, not as a fleet variant. It is ok, when there are better versions for fleets. But not only for fleets. There are to much captains out there that are not in a fleet and don't want to be in a fleet.
Like me . I don't have the time for a fleet.
Just look for a large mainstream fleet and hop on board with them. A lot of fleets aren't so demanding and they benefit you GREATLY.
I don't see why anyone wouldn't want to be in a fleet. If you think you don't have time to be in one, then just do research for a large fleet that doesn't need much activity from every single person.
My fleet is great, I've been in it for awhile and they don't demand much from people. I'm sure there a plenty more out there like mine.
Not gonna lie, I think the Ambassador is fugly as hell, nor do I understand the obsession with this ship. But I will say, that despite my reservations, she does what she was stated to do, and does it surprisingly well. I won't be changing out of my Odyssey for her, nor will I permanently dock my defiant-R or my Regent, but she's not bad for a freebie ship.
So all of my Ambassador dislike/NO COMPRENDE SENOR!!! aside, well done Cryptic.
It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once.
I really love mine. Got it Friday night, and played around with it all weekend. It can really hold up and can fight it out. This ship can hold its worth. I did some Deferia daily runs, and it took out the Breen nicely. Then went to the "New Romulas" area and did some patrols. Really dishing it out and taking hits on those. Compared to my Sovereign I used for a long time. This ship really is amazing.
Expect to see me using the Ambassador for a long time to come.
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Edit: Wouldn't mind some temporal doffs/boffs inspired by the Enterprise-C crew.
This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
You do realize the Ambassador is the Sovy with -100 crew, slightly lower inertia, and the LtCmdr slots swapped right?
Unfortunately for your Sovereign, you can't swap your BOFF slots around. The swap in slots is working quite well for the Ambassador and it has more HP than the Excelsior.
the ambassador actually has more hull than the sovereign but yea as soon as i stepped onto this beauty of a ship as the Enterprise C it has turned into my favorite cruiser of the game and Stahl himself has confirmed that a fleet version is in the works so heres to the best cruiser in the fleet: the Ambassador class.
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I am considering both my regular and fleet versions to run a pure Chronitron build on the weapon setup with and RCS console, Polyduranium/Neutrionium armor, EMF, and Plasma Manifolds for the eng slots; Bio-Function and Shield Emitters for the Sci, and than whatever else I can fit into the Tac to boost the weapons; or even get the Temporal set if I can. This would also include Combat Impulse Engines and Regenerative Shields. Not sure about the Deflector yet.
So, a free ship that takes 15 minutes to get is "not that great" compared to what is supposedly the best ship in the game (which costs like 25 bucks if you're f2p) with 500K in dilithium worth of equipment?
I think the "love" is coming from surprise that the ship isn't complete garbage, as one would expect a free ship to be. Granted, -I- wish there was a sci-heavy version, as I prefer Science buffs/debuffs to Engineering ones and just respec'd my whole crew to function in a Rear-Admiral Science ship (I forget what class it is)... but ah well. It's a good second choice if I feel I need firepower more than de/buffs.
To be fair ... When the game launched, the best ships in the game were free. It took two years or so of constant c-store punishment for the playerbase to be trained to have the pavlovian response that free ships are garbage.
Yes, it did happen, BTW. When the new Enterprise class was first launched (For free I might add) it was nerfed when the 3 ships were released in the C-store. That's why I said that and that's why I stand by it. Ok?
Thank you from me for pointing out to many of these players that many of us can't afford to pay that kind of money are doing our best to make due. Some players act like they just don't get that.
I just dig when some player tells others that they are wrong because they disagree with their OPINION.
The freebie ship is on par with the other freebie ships of that level. The C-Store version will doubtlessly have better stats. So you can go buy it and feel as 733t as heck over the great unwashed masses of Silvers once you get it.
Interesting that you seem to feel an Assault Cruiser is a better Science/Support ship. Checking all of the Assault Cruisers, I see none of them are capable of lvl 3 Science Skills, and none can have more Science consoles than the Ambassador. Further, only the Assault-Retrofit has better Tactical Boff stations (both ships have identical console allocations), but costs 2500 Z-points compared to the Ambassador's 0 Z-points. The Fleet Assault Cruiser is even more expensive overall, and still does not equal the Ambassador in Science ability.
You base your evaluation of the ship on -solo- -PVP- play. That is wrong, especially for a -support ship-. PVP is not the main part of STO, and support ships are teamplay ships, not soloists. So maybe you should evaluate the Ambassador on what it can do to support other ships in team PVE missions compared to how useful a baseline Assault Cruiser (which is the ship you will have to compare the Ambassador to in price and Tier) is in that same role.
In short, your analysis is flawed and based on how good an Assault Cruiser the Ambassador is, not how good a Support Ship it is, and you are comparing it with ships not in its tier.
While Ambassador is a *decent* ship, I will hold my reservations - until a Cstore of Fleet (10 console) version is made. I think it needs another Tac or Sci slot to be considered *on-par* with its elder sister, Excelsior. As is stands, the Fleet Excelsior is still superior to the Ambassador.
Don't get me wrong, the *free* Ambassador is a good free ship. As a player I hope the Devs are smart enough to release a Fleet or Mirror, or Cstore version that is slightly better. Bottom Line: Ambassador's final Fleet/Cstore should be on-par with the Excelsior in every way (10th console, turn, etc). Just a different BOFF setup and that would be a fair compromise.
But after the mission i have to say, see it as a wish cryptic.
I want a Enterprise C Refit of the Ambassador.
Realy, that was the ship i allways wanted. Commander and Lt. Commander Sci Slots on a Cruiser. It could have been the first real scicruiser after we got a lot of taccruisers. Or even some mix between a cruiser and an escort (Breen). As a sci, that wants to play a sci, my choices are limited. The typical sciships, the Wells and the Vesta. Even the sci Ody is not a real option.
So please, I realy want to see that Refit for the Ambassador. In the Z-Store or somewhere else. For the Z-Store there should be a 3. sci console to bring it in line (10 consoles). And maybe an universal ensing slot.
Or make it the new BoP, 3 of each console, 4 universal slots
Well, perhaps a sci orented fleet version with an 8 turn, (10 console slots) those 2 Sci Boffs would fill in a nice niche for captains.
+1 on this observation. It may not have the same stats as a fleet Excelsior (which I also own) but with a proper build and single cannons/turret build I saw very little difference in performance. At times it felt over powered against the Borg which surprised me. In any case, for a free ship, its nicer than some of your average c-store stuff.
Well guess what.
THERE WILL BE NO C-STORE VERSION!
A couple Dev's were on ESD a couple nights ago, someone said one of them was Stahl himself.
They were participating in the Anniversary Festivities and answering questions about the Ambassador and said that there are no plans for a C-Store Ambassador, but that they are considering offering a Fleet Variant at some point.
But for now, the Ambassador is as it is... it will be a unique ship and those of us who have them are the lucky ones with a kick TRIBBLE Cruiser!
Stahl himself once said there were no plans for the game to go to free to play. Just something to keep in mind.
For my Engineering captains though I honestly don't see a whole lot of difference from my Excelsior retro-fit, and my Excelsior can def. take more punishment. Overall the Ambassador to me feels like a re-skinned Excelsior, but that's just me. I love it on my science captain though.
A cruiser shooting down another cruiser tends to have far more to do with comparative build viability and equipment than it does the quality of the cruisers themselves. And the Ambassador is far better equipped to look after it's wing men than any tactical cruiser out there. Cryptic love money: QED, Fleet version is inevitable.
A VERY valid point indeed.
Never underestimate Cryptic's ability to sniff out earnings potential.
This is a very popular ship, (course it's new), but I for one would buy a C store version, with a unique console and one of the other variants skins, like the Andrew Probert one maybe, AND I would get a fleet version too if it were available.
And to add my voice, I too wish they would give the Galaxy another pass to make it more viable.
Surely Cryptic must notice that that ship isn't used much. It's a damned shame too.
Like me
Just look for a large mainstream fleet and hop on board with them. A lot of fleets aren't so demanding and they benefit you GREATLY.
I don't see why anyone wouldn't want to be in a fleet. If you think you don't have time to be in one, then just do research for a large fleet that doesn't need much activity from every single person.
My fleet is great, I've been in it for awhile and they don't demand much from people. I'm sure there a plenty more out there like mine.
So all of my Ambassador dislike/NO COMPRENDE SENOR!!! aside, well done Cryptic.
id say its superior to the freebie Odyssey class , not much , but theres a bit of an edge
cant say ill do much more than experiment with it , but its nice to have
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Expect to see me using the Ambassador for a long time to come.
USS Casinghead NCC 92047 launched 2350
Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
You do realize the Ambassador is the Sovy with -100 crew, slightly lower inertia, and the LtCmdr slots swapped right?
Maybe that is its strength. Personally i'm going to equip mine as the Ent-C.
Can the developers recreate the Battle of Narendra III scenario please?
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Battle_of_Narendra_III
Edit: Wouldn't mind some temporal doffs/boffs inspired by the Enterprise-C crew.
Yeah, tbh, I would rather take an EPtW3/EPtS3/ET3 over most of the LtCmdr science abilities.
But I will admit if you aren't an Eng captain, the LtCmdr science is better. But if you are an Eng captain, the EPtX3 is incredibly useful.
Unfortunately for your Sovereign, you can't swap your BOFF slots around. The swap in slots is working quite well for the Ambassador and it has more HP than the Excelsior.