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Yes, we get it. 47 is everywhere. But enough is enough.

janusforbearejanusforbeare Member Posts: 1 Arc User
For those who don't know what I'm talking about, I recommend reading this: http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/47

At first, I thought the "47" jokes in the vanilla missions were a little amusing. Not laugh-out-loud funny, mind you, but worth a smirk... and maybe a subdued chuckle. At first.

That was before I realized just how often they were used. It's gotten to the point that any time a number is given in a vanilla mission, you can be sure that "47" will appear somewhere in it. I understand that they're being included as a tribute to the Trek writers, but considering how blatant the references are, I think they've lost their charm, and stopped being a fitting tribute.

Think about it: in Trek, the "47" references were very, very subtle. The number was rarely used in actual dialogue (of course there are a few exceptions), but was more frequently seen on bulkhead, doors, storage compartments, etc. Sometimes it was inverted, and "74" was used instead. Furthermore, using "47" was not a hard and fast rule (as it's become in STO). Other numbers were given as well.

Most importantly, by midway through DS9, the writers themselves tired of the joke, and it was used less frequently. I'd like to humbly suggest that the STO writing staff follow their example.

The jokes were a good idea at the game's inception, and I'm glad you included them. But now they've gotten stale; it's time to retire them.
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  • jkstocbrjkstocbr Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    ===========> 47
  • defalusdefalus Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Can we get rid of 13 as well? It doesn't feel right to me, it's like bad mojo.
    -47-47-47-47-47-47-47-47-47-47-47-47-47-47-47-47-47-47-47-47-47-47-
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  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    1 - 7 - 3 - 4 - 6 - 7 - 3 - 2 - 1 - 4 - 7 - 6 - Charlie - 3 - 2 - 7 - 8 - 9 - 7 - 7 - 7 - 6 - 4 - 3 - Tango - 7 - 3 - 2 - Victor - 7 - 3 - 1 - 1 - 7 - 8 - 8 - 8 - 7 - 3 - 2 - 4 - 7 - 6 - 7 - 8 - 9 - 7 - 6 - 4 - 3 - 7 - 6 - Lock.
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  • psycoticvulcanpsycoticvulcan Member Posts: 4,160 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    I have to agree with the OP. There are way too many 47 references.
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  • crazy6665crazy6665 Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    For those who don't know what I'm talking about, I recommend reading this: http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/47

    At first, I thought the "47" jokes in the vanilla missions were a little amusing. Not laugh-out-loud funny, mind you, but worth a smirk... and maybe a subdued chuckle. At first.

    That was before I realized just how often they were used. It's gotten to the point that any time a number is given in a vanilla mission, you can be sure that "47" will appear somewhere in it. I understand that they're being included as a tribute to the Trek writers, but considering how blatant the references are, I think they've lost their charm, and stopped being a fitting tribute.

    Think about it: in Trek, the "47" references were very, very subtle. The number was rarely used in actual dialogue (of course there are a few exceptions), but was more frequently seen on bulkhead, doors, storage compartments, etc. Sometimes it was inverted, and "74" was used instead. Furthermore, using "47" was not a hard and fast rule (as it's become in STO). Other numbers were given as well.

    Most importantly, by midway through DS9, the writers themselves tired of the joke, and it was used less frequently. I'd like to humbly suggest that the STO writing staff follow their example.

    The jokes were a good idea at the game's inception, and I'm glad you included them. But now they've gotten stale; it's time to retire them.

    devs please don't even waste your time with this LOL you got much more better things to do here move long nothing to see here
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Honestly.... I never noticed.
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  • janusforbearejanusforbeare Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    crazy6665 wrote: »
    devs please don't even waste your time with this LOL you got much more better things to do here move long nothing to see here

    It doesn't take time or effort. All it takes is coming up with any other number when writing mission dialogue.

    If you don't agree, then give a reason. As it stands, you're not contributing anything to the conversation.
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  • thomasfattiestthomasfattiest Member Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Really man? Is that what your life has come to?

    Whining on the boards about a Easter egg?

    Haven't you got anything better to do?
  • lolimpicardlolimpicard Member Posts: 309
    edited January 2013
    Really man? Is that what your life has come to?

    Whining on the boards about a Easter egg?

    Haven't you got anything better to do?

    And you come onto the Internet to berate people about them wasting their time?
    The irony is strong with this one.
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  • boglejam73boglejam73 Member Posts: 890 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    I have the same complaint about every friggin foundry author making my toon say "make it so" at some point in their mission. One guy said that in the 27 seasons of television shows. One guy. Quit making my toons say it already. :D
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  • antovarasantovaras Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Honestly.... I never noticed.

    Same here, anyone able to show some examples?
    A world to defend
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    innocents to save
    "Why?" They ask "they hate you"
    We're heroes it's what we do.
    *patiently waiting on Paragon City*
  • oldkirkfanoldkirkfan Member Posts: 1,263 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    antovaras wrote: »
    Same here, anyone able to show some examples?


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/47_%28number%29

    Joe Menosky graduated from Pomona College in 1979 and went on to become one of the story writers of Star Trek: The Next Generation. Menosky "infected" other Star Trek writers with an enthusiasm for the number 47.[6] As a result, 47, its reverse 74, its multiples, or combinations of 47 occur surreptitiously in almost every episode of the program and its spin-offs Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, Star Trek: Voyager and Star Trek: Enterprise.[4][7] Forty-seven might be mentioned in dialogue or appear on a computer screen, for example:

    * In Star Trek: Generations, Scotty manages to beam up only 47 El-Aurians before their ship is destroyed by the energy ribbon.
    * In the TNG episode "Darmok", the computer of the Enterprise reports to have found 47 occurrences of the word "Darmok" in its database.
    * In the DS9 episode "Whispers", the planet Parada 4 has seven moons.
    * In the Voyager episode "Parallax", we learn that the Emergency Medical Holographic Channel is 47 and that the EMH has the experience of 47 individual medical officers.
    * In the Voyager episode "Non Sequitur", Harry Kim lives in apartment 4-G, G being the seventh letter of the alphabet. The intentionality of this reference to 47 was confirmed by Brannon Braga, the writer of that episode.
    * In the Voyager episode "Before And After", the phase shift is 1.47
    * In the 2009 film Star Trek, the Enterprise was built in Sector 47 of the Riverside Shipyards, and 47 Klingon ships are said to have been destroyed by Nero's ship, the Narada.
  • snoge00fsnoge00f Member Posts: 1,812 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    And you come onto the Internet to berate people about them wasting their time?
    The irony is strong with this one.

    As well he should. The OP has got to loosen up and relax.
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  • antovarasantovaras Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    oldkirkfan wrote: »

    Nice examples, none relevant to STO though...
    A world to defend
    A city to protect
    innocents to save
    "Why?" They ask "they hate you"
    We're heroes it's what we do.
    *patiently waiting on Paragon City*
  • cptdungeoncptdungeon Member Posts: 44 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    you guys will complain about anything lol.
    The individual's rights will be protected only so long as they don't conflict with the state.... nothing is so dangerous to a society.
  • boglejam73boglejam73 Member Posts: 890 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    antovaras wrote: »
    Nice examples, none relevant to STO though...

    Yeah, but there are a ton of 47 mentions in the NPC text on a lot of the PvE missions. Especially the lower tier ones if I remember correctly. Specific examples may have to wait until the server returns to something more approaching "normal" and/or "working".
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  • havock1981havock1981 Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    i never really noticed it till i read this thread and really i dont see why it should bother anyone unless you spend your time looking for the minor details in the game

    47 shows up in startrek tng and into DS9 and even the JJ alternate universe version of star trek movie he did

    its part of star trek and if the devs want to keep it then i dont see why not
  • radkipradkip Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    I should make a Borg character named 47 of 47 and bring my 74 of 74 bridge officer with me onto New Romulus.
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  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Human suppliant 47, thanks to our new event mission.
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  • defalusdefalus Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    neoakiraii wrote: »
    Human suppliant 47, thanks to our new event mission.

    Bah, beat me too it.:mad:

    I'll just leave this and this here then...
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  • bwleon7bwleon7 Member Posts: 310 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    And what did the Borg call the Undine?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gn02c176YuI
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    Mr. Spock: And the ways our differences combine, to create meaning and beauty.

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  • reximuzreximuz Member Posts: 1,172 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    47 is an important and integral part of Star Trek. You might as well ask them to stop talking about phasers or warp drive as well.
  • captainrevo1captainrevo1 Member Posts: 3,948 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    No. its canon.
  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    edited February 2013
    Take away 5 and you have a much better number.
    Seriously it's a number get over it.
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  • haravikkharavikk Member Posts: 278
    edited February 2013
    I do kind of agree with the OP's point, but in a more general sense; the writers on STO are working much too hard to make everything in game a reference to an episode of the shows, I'd like to see less of that and more focus on STO-specific writing that doesn't just lift directly from the series.

    Obviously feeling like you're a part of the show is great and all, but I don't want to spend too much time reliving episodes of it; New Romulus is the biggest step away, and the involvement of the Tholians has been interesting (though I hate fighting them). References to the number 47 I can ignore, but if the writers are working too hard to squeeze them in then it's detracting from the quality of everything else, which I do not like.
  • dma1986dma1986 Member Posts: 541 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    artan42 wrote: »
    Take away 5 and you have a much better number.
    Seriously it's a number get over it.
    If you take away 5 from 47, you get 42. It's a conspiracy, and YOU'RE PART OF IT!

    You can call it a better number if you like, I call it... I dunno... numbers or something.


    :P
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