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jornado
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Okey dokey, since I have now been accused of exploiting 7 times in the 2 days since I got this ship, I am going to post my current build for my Mobius Temporal Destroyer.
Any suggestions or flames are welcome.
Mobius Temporal Destroyer
Fore Weapons:
2x Fleet Antiproton Dual Heavy Cannons [DMG]x3 [CrtH]
Chroniton Dual Beam Array
Temporal Disruption Device
Rear Weapons:
2x Fleet Antiproton Turret [DMG]x3 [CrtH]
Borg Cutting Beam
Full Borg set Mk XI
Consoles:
Eng: Tipler Cylinder, Tachyokinetic
Sci: Manheim, Borg, Field Generator [Rare XI],Rom ulan Console XI [Emitter Array, HuH, -Th]
Tactical: Antiproton Mag Regulators [Very Rare XI] x4
Ensign Engineering : EPtW1
Lt. Tac: TT1, BO2
Cmdr Tac: TT1, CSV1, APO1, CRF3
Lt. Uni (Tac): THY1, APB1
Lt. Cmdr Uni (Sci): HE1, HE2, TSS3
Doffs:
2x Blue Projectile Doffs (-Torp CD)
1x Purple Shield Dist. Doff
1x Purple Exocomp
1x Blue Quartermaster [-battery cooldown time]
Explanations:
This setup is highly proc reliant, as in, without a bit of luck its average at best.
Between the Romulan Console and the Borg set, the hull and shields tend to heal randomly, and for decent amounts. This is augmented by the Backstep heal (which seems to really boggle peoples minds - apparently no one reads the descriptions...).
Exocomp Doff + Quartermaster allow relatively rapid use of batteries with some substantial boosts to those batteries - 10% damage resist on Shield Batts, 10% damage on Weap Batts. This also lets me get away with leaving out EPtS as a shield heal. EPtW is used for higher alpha spike and to quickly cure Tholian weapon disables and to counteract BO2s drain.
Torp Doffs make the disruption torpedos almost useful. The high yield makes them very situationally effective for slowing groups down (eSTFs).
HE is duplicated only because sometimes I need that heal 30s rather than 45s after the first.
Will probably replace the Borg XI set with XII - in this build, the proc heals are too important to mix and match. The Cutting Beam + Borg Tractor is also a nice damage boost, and the tractor is very useful at times.
So, anyway, any comments or criticism are welcome.
And, for those of you out there yelling at me....READ THE SET DESCRIPTION OF THE TEMPORAL CONSOLES PLEASE. I am not instantly healing for no reason at all. It's what the ability does. Thats what the procs in this set up do. I am not cheating.
Thanks in advance!
Any suggestions or flames are welcome.
Mobius Temporal Destroyer
Fore Weapons:
2x Fleet Antiproton Dual Heavy Cannons [DMG]x3 [CrtH]
Chroniton Dual Beam Array
Temporal Disruption Device
Rear Weapons:
2x Fleet Antiproton Turret [DMG]x3 [CrtH]
Borg Cutting Beam
Full Borg set Mk XI
Consoles:
Eng: Tipler Cylinder, Tachyokinetic
Sci: Manheim, Borg, Field Generator [Rare XI],Rom ulan Console XI [Emitter Array, HuH, -Th]
Tactical: Antiproton Mag Regulators [Very Rare XI] x4
Ensign Engineering : EPtW1
Lt. Tac: TT1, BO2
Cmdr Tac: TT1, CSV1, APO1, CRF3
Lt. Uni (Tac): THY1, APB1
Lt. Cmdr Uni (Sci): HE1, HE2, TSS3
Doffs:
2x Blue Projectile Doffs (-Torp CD)
1x Purple Shield Dist. Doff
1x Purple Exocomp
1x Blue Quartermaster [-battery cooldown time]
Explanations:
This setup is highly proc reliant, as in, without a bit of luck its average at best.
Between the Romulan Console and the Borg set, the hull and shields tend to heal randomly, and for decent amounts. This is augmented by the Backstep heal (which seems to really boggle peoples minds - apparently no one reads the descriptions...).
Exocomp Doff + Quartermaster allow relatively rapid use of batteries with some substantial boosts to those batteries - 10% damage resist on Shield Batts, 10% damage on Weap Batts. This also lets me get away with leaving out EPtS as a shield heal. EPtW is used for higher alpha spike and to quickly cure Tholian weapon disables and to counteract BO2s drain.
Torp Doffs make the disruption torpedos almost useful. The high yield makes them very situationally effective for slowing groups down (eSTFs).
HE is duplicated only because sometimes I need that heal 30s rather than 45s after the first.
Will probably replace the Borg XI set with XII - in this build, the proc heals are too important to mix and match. The Cutting Beam + Borg Tractor is also a nice damage boost, and the tractor is very useful at times.
So, anyway, any comments or criticism are welcome.
And, for those of you out there yelling at me....READ THE SET DESCRIPTION OF THE TEMPORAL CONSOLES PLEASE. I am not instantly healing for no reason at all. It's what the ability does. Thats what the procs in this set up do. I am not cheating.
Thanks in advance!
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I have mine set up as follows
fore weapons
Dual chroniton beam
dual antiproton cannon (intend to upgrade to a fleet version)
wide angle quantum torpedo launcher
Omega plasma torpedo launcher
aft weapons
Borg Cutting Beam
fleet antiproton turret (acc)
temporal device
Omega Force mark XII shields
Borg XI deflector
Borg XI engines
Tipler cylinder
mannheim device
theta radiation vents
Borg console
tachyokinetic converter
antiproton Mag XI X3
tactical zero point chamber XI
The added bonuses due to the sets, Borg engine + deflector, Omega Torpedo + cutting beam + console, tippler cylinder + mannheim device, temporal device + chroniton beam + temporal console...wow, they really stack up.
I have found this build so good that my piloting has gotten lazy, I just fly right into the middle of a cluster of enemies, vent theta radiation and pound things until they explode. I find that the extra torpedo weight (three on this build) comes in very handy in large Borg encounters but would swap out for more cannons and turrets is fighting PVP. Continual plasma fires don't even do enough damage to overcome the passive hull regeneration and the temporal abilities are so ridiculously awesome that I try not to use them lest I become dependent on them.
Putting the temporal disruption device in an aft weapon slot gives me a nice way of getting the heavy/slow warhead right up next to my target every time I make a strafing run while getting the full temporal set onboard while leaving the fore weapons slots open for harder hitting weapons. Before I got the Omega torp I flew this build with a Hargh'peng torpedo launcher in that fore slot.
Its a very OP ship but damn fun, it lets you recover from bad PUGs, dumb mistakes, and uberlag and make it look cool.
Not sure if I could do a torp heavy build myself, I always get nervous without energy flashes every second, but maybe I'll give omega Corp a try.
Nice build by the way
anyway, only question i got is, if torpedo spread wasn't smarter to use with the disruption device (does it even function with spread?) the more targets you hit, the more you disable, or have the chance to. Same with the chroniton beam bank...while BO sure does a nice burst, but primarely the chroniton beam is for disabeling targets, and the more you hit the better, or the more often you hit them the better.
As for the "exploiting" bit, it is entirely possible that they don't know about the time-freeze bubble or the Temporal Inversion Field. Either that, or they consider it unsporting to use them anyway. There are those who are fairly ignorant, especially about the latter power.
I was kind of thinking of BFAW with the chroniton beam, BUT it has a 40% crit severity bonus, BOs frequently crit in the 30k+ range, making it really nice for taking out Borg spam mobs. Maybe I should swap situationally between them.
Yes, I do miss EPtS sometimes. However, TSS3 with the embassy emitter console does the big heal and 255 point ticks...0 to full shields in a few seconds. Plus Borg shield proc, BFI with a 50% chance of Shield heal (emitter skill also effects this, almost a full heal as well) and large shield batteries that heal more that EPtS1. Its for sure trickier than using EPtS, but once you get the hang of it, it works as well or in some cases better, allowing more frequent use of EPtW.
Thanks for the feedback so far! I was expecting more negativity, so I'm pleasantly surprised :-)
I was wondering what the biggest difference was between the Fleet Advanced DHC and the Fleet Elite DHC in general? Which should I go for or does it really matter? They both state DPS at 427!
As for my build:
Weapons - X4 DHC Antiproton XI; X2 Antiproton Turrets XI; X1 Borg Cutting Beam (recently fixed by Cryptic to deliver massive damage once shields are down) I did get the Omega Torp but to be honest its slow and cumbersome.
Shields, Engine, Deflector - Borg Set (Brings my hull to just under 46 thousand and has always worked well for me)
Eng Consoles - Neutronium X2
Science - Tach Converter, Rom ZPE and Borg Assimilated Module, one subspace Jumper (because lets face it, more likely to end up with something uncloaking behind me than in front of me...)
Tact - X 4 XI Antiproton Mag Regulators.
Deivces - Subspace Field Modulator.
Bridge Officers: ALL Purple Grade - Lt. Commander Universal - Sicence: HE, SciTI, TSSIII; Lt. Universal - Tactical: Torp HY1 (to be changed soon - recommendations?), ScatterV1; Commander Tactical - TT1, B1,Omega1, CRF3; Lt. Tactical Station - TT1, CRF1; Enseign Engineering - Shield1
Doffs - Combination or purple and blues adhering to the above mentioned powers and abilities, however, admittedly, they are ALL Tact.
After months of trying this ship or that shaip I finally got enough Lobi to buy the Temporal Destroyer and I have to say, despite being less than a week its the best ship I have been in. I was in a Breen preiviously (which I absolutely LOVE) but the bridge officer layout of this ship is second to none.
I am looking to change out some of the tact abilities to possibly Delta Attack Pattern and one other (recommendations) because I have a purple DOFF geared towards the first.
Finally, I like your build, its inspiring. However, no money for the Wells and to buy it merely for the console doesn't seem logical to me. Id rather spend the EC on the ultra rare goodies like Antiproton, etc....
I like your build...its more conventional than mine and probably higher DPS. Definitely consider the temporal warfare set though...Its a lot of lobi, but the set ability is very very nice on the M?bius. It seriously doubles the power of the ship. With the Wells console as well you become nigh immortal.
Agree totally on the Borg set, the 3 piece proc is godly, people frequently underestimate the power of proc reliant setups.
And agree, I too love the Breen ship. I should post that build as well, pure proc based setup, insane DPS plus superior tanking ability. IMO a well built and played M?bius or Breen are near game breaking ships.
I know some folks dont care for it but having started off with an improper build on it and later learning the error of my ways, all I can say is inevitably its the quality of the build and not the ship that is at fault. As for the temporal destroyer, I am so use to the DHc cannon build set up now that I was afraid that going for the set would decrease its overall effectiveness in PVP and PVE. As it stands, the antiproton cannons and turrets probably cost me as much as a Wells!!
I havent even bothered tying out theManheim device.... Heard so much negative things about it. Still, I'll give it a try with your recommendations once I get some EC again as for now, its going to have make do with its present set up.
Through sheer luck I am now flying a Jem Hadar Escort Carrier, I am new to carriers, don't have the best fighters yet and likely need to tweak my build a bit so this isn't a final judgement but the Mobius build with all the temporal goodies hits harder (better boff layout) and still has "magical" abilities that can turn any battle.
Believe it or not, as long as you load BO1 or 2, you won't really lose any DPS on the Chroniton beam array. The 40% crit severity bonus is awesome.
I ran the Manheim and the tippler but with a 5 minute
cool down on temporal back step it's just not worth the loss in dps
for a glorified oh $hit button.
I'll post my build which I found had more bite. The gimmick
is nice but the extra DPS is better.
Fore - 2 x fleet antiproton DHC, 1 x chroniton beam array, 1 fleet chroniton launcher
Aft - 2 x fleet antiproton, 1 temporal distortion device
device - red matter capacitor, subspace field modulator
Full Borg set ( eng, def and shields)
Eng - energy and kinetic resis, assimilated module
Sci - 2 x field gen, zero point console, temporal device
Tac - 4 x mags
End eng - EPTS
Lt Tac - TS1, CRF1
Lt Uni (eng) - EPTW1, RSP1
Lt Com Uni (sci) - HE1, TSS2, GW1
Com Tac - TT1, TS2, CSV2, APO3
2 x purple TT doff
2 x TORP
1 x cannon
I found the extra shield helpful
Allow me to share mine
Weapon Systems
Fore:
Advanced Fleet Antiproton Dual Heavy Cannons Mk XII [Dmg]x3 [CrtD]
Advanced Fleet Antiproton Dual Heavy Cannons Mk XII [Dmg]x3 [CrtD]
Advanced Fleet Antiproton Dual Heavy Cannons Mk XII [Dmg]x3 [CrtD]
Chroniton Dual Beam Array
Aft:
Advanced Fleet Antiproton Turret Mk XII [Dmg]x3 [CrtD]
Omega Plasma Torpedo Launcher Mk XII [Dmg]x2 [CrtH]
Temporal Disruption Device
Shields
Adapted M.A.C.O. Covariant Shield Array Mk XII
Engines
Assimilated Subtranswarp Engines Mk XI (Sometimes swap to Adapted M.A.C.O Engines in battle for the increase to torp damage)
Deflector
Assimilated Deflector Array Mk XI
Consoles
Engineering
Console - Engineering - RCS Accelerator Mk XII - Purple
Console - Universal - Tipler Cylinder
Science
Console - Universal - Isometric Charge
Console - Universal - Manheim Device
Console - Tachyokinetic Converter
Console - Universal - Assimilated Module
Tactical
Console - Tactical - Antiproton Mag Regulator Mk XI x4 - Purple
Bridge Officer Layout
Universal Lt Commander (Tactical)
Tactical Team 1
Attack Pattern Beta 1
Attack Pattern Omega 1
Universal LT (Science)
Transfer Sheild Strength 1
Hazard Emitters 2
Commander Tactical
Tactical Team 1
Cannon Scatter Volley 1
Cannon Rapid Fire 2
Attack Pattern Omega 3
LT Tactical
High Yield Torpedo 1
Beam Overload 2
En Engineering
Emergency Power to Shields 1
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Mobius Temporal Destroyer
Fore Weapons:
3x Advanced Fleet Antiproton Dual Heavy Cannons Mk XII [Acc] x2[Dmg]x2
1x Advanced Fleet Dual Antiproton Beam Bank Mk XII [Dmg]x2 [Acc]x2[Acc]x2
Aft Weapons:
2x Fleet Antiproton Turret [acc]x2 [dmg]x2
1x Kinetic Cutting Beam Mk XII [Dmg]x3
Full borg mk xi set
Eng consoles:
Console - Engineering - Neutronium Alloy Mk XII
Console - Engineering - Neutronium Alloy Mk XI
Science consoles:
Console - Universal - Manheim Device
Console - Universal - Impulse Capacitance Cell
Console - Science - Shield Emitter Amplifier Mk XII
Console - Universal - Assimilated Module
Tac consoles:
Console - Tactical - Antiproton Mag Regulator Mk XI
BOFF:
Cmdr. TAC: TT1, CRF1, CRF2, APO3
Lt. TAC: BO1, CSV1
Ens. ENG: EPtS1
Lt Cmdr. ENG (uni): ET1, APtSIF1, RSP2
Lt. SCI (uni) PH1, HE2
DOFF:
Exocomp
Uhhh, i cant remember the others. One boosts transwarp cooldown and is green, but the others i cant remember. I cant check atm as my main pc is dead, but as i get the new one tomorrow ill edit the post ASAP. (i got the above info off the STO gateway, but it only tells you so much
NOTES:
The uni's can be swapped round so I have a gravity well as well (lol), whcih is handy in PvE.
I know I need to upgrade the mag regulators ASAP, especially as being an engineer doesnt give me native PEW-PEW-iness (a real word), although being an engineer is also good as it gives me more survivability.
Using the hilbert guide, the abilities i place in tray 7 cycle when i hit space, as well as my shileds distributing. My AtSIF cycles every 15 secs, as well as the EPS power tranfer 3 (im an engineer) which helps counterract the beam overload. My rapid fires and scatter volleys cycle, as well as the attack patterns. Rotate shiled frequency and my EPtS cycles as well, and I cant remember if there was room left for tact team (my main pc is dead, and the STO gateway only tells me so mch about my ship.) Everything else i just activate when i need.
I know this build isn't the best DPS out there, but it means i'm a veritable little tank which can withstand a bit of weapons fire (not like your average escort which can be killed before the alpha strike is even done), and I can even cast the odd heal, as with the AtSIF cycling, it leaves ET and HE free. Also, my native engi abilites help the tanky part, apart from Nadion Inversion (pointless?) and EPS power transfer, as emntioned above helps EVERYTHING
I know I need to get the Tipler Cylinder, and I plan on getting the TachyoKinetic converter, and maybe the rest of the set, but I'd have to repsec if i get the torpedo.
My main role in PvP isn't to do damage, but simply distract the enemy. I'm a support vessel mostly, but can still can do damage thanks to the cannons and can be a real help when only 1 or 2 enemies is nearby, as the manhiem finishes them off. The tractor beams a bitc- uhhh pain as well. My fleet is only about 20 members, and we normally have 3/4escorts and 1 or 2 cruisers, with me normally filling the 2nd cruiser space if a cruiser isnt available, or filling one of the escort spots if a "real DPS" escort isnt available.
TL;DR A medium survivablity, medium DPS build, functions well on it's own and as a support vessel. Also looks hench.
First, don't bother with the temporal torpedo unless you get the chroniton beam bank....its primary function is to finish the set anyway, so you also don't really need to respec. The torpedo will still perform its movement and cool down debuffs even unspecced.
Other than that, it's a very functional looking setup, although I do recommend an additional reputation console, specifically ZPEC.
I have refined and updated my build, and I guess I'll post it as soon as I get home to my PC, posting builds from a tablet sucks.
PvP and PvE builds are substantially different, so will be separated.
Fore Weapons:
3x Advanced Fleet Antiproton Dual Heavy Cannons Mk XII [Dmg]x2 [Acc]x2
Chroniton Dual Beam Array
Aft Weapons:
Kinetic Cutting Beam Mk XII [Dmg]x3
Advanced Fleet Antiproton Turret Mk XII [Dmg]x2 [Acc]x2
Temporal Disruption Device
Equipment:
Elite Fleet Adaptive Resilient Shield Array Mk XII [Cap]x2 [ResA] [Adapt] (or ResB depending)
Aegis Deflector Array
Aegis Hyper-Impulse Engines
Devices:
Large Weapons Battery
Large Shields Battery
Consoles:
Tactical:
4x Console - Tactical - Antiproton Mag Regulator Mk XI
Science:
Console - Zero-Point Energy Conduit
Console - Universal - Assimilated Module
Console - Universal - Tipler Cylinder
Console - Science - Field Generator Mk XI
Engineering:
Console - Tachyokinetic Converter
Console - Rule 62 Multipurpose Combat Console
Boffs are all Romulan.
Ltc. Universal, Sci:
TB1, TSS2, HE3
Lt. Universal, Eng:
EPtS1, RSP1
Ensign Eng:
EPtS1
Cmdr. Tac:
TT1, CRF1, CRF2, APO3
Lt. Tac:
TT1, BO2
Doffs: Exocomp for Battery buff, Battery Cooldown Doff, BFI Shield Doff, BFI Resist Doff, Shield drain with Tractor Beam Doff.
Great tanking, high defense, immense alpha strike potential, high crits. You need keybinds to make it effective.
PvE follows in next post.
Weapons and equipment loadout are similar, boffs are where you see the biggest change.
Fore Weapons:
2x Advanced Fleet Antiproton Dual Heavy Cannons Mk XII [Dmg]x2 [Acc]x2
Chroniton Dual Beam Array
Advanced Fleet Chroniton Torpedo Mk XII [Dmg]x3 [CrtH]x1
Aft Weapons:
Kinetic Cutting Beam Mk XII [Dmg]x3
Advanced Fleet Antiproton Turret Mk XII [Dmg]x2 [Acc]x2
Temporal Disruption Device
Equipment:
Elite Fleet Adaptive Resilient Shield Array Mk XII [Cap]x2 [ResA] [Adapt] (or ResB depending)
Borg XII Deflector
Borg XII Engines
Devices:
Large Weapons Battery
Large Shields Battery
Consoles:
Tactical:
4x Console - Tactical - Antiproton Mag Regulator Mk XI
Science:
Console - Zero-Point Energy Conduit
Console - Universal - Assimilated Module
Console - Universal - Tipler Cylinder
Console - Science - Field Generator Mk XI
Engineering:
Console - Tachyokinetic Converter
Console - Rule 62 Multipurpose Combat Console
Boffs are 2 human, 3 Romulan.
Ltc. Universal, Sci:
HE1, TSS2, GW
Lt. Universal, Eng:
EPtS1, RSP1 or ET2
Ensign Eng:
EPtS1
Cmdr. Tac:
TT1, CSV1, TS3, APB3
Lt. Tac:
TT1, BFAW
Doffs: Exocomp for Battery buff, Battery Cooldown Doff, BFI Shield Doff, Cannon Cooldown Doff, GW Doff.
High AoE damage and CC potential, basically pop GW, TS, BFAW, and nothing is moving. Hit APB+CSV and watch the crits annihilate spam enemies in seconds flat, including nanite spheres. On larger targets, you have plenty of time to spin and launch a TDD between CSV uptime.
The key to both PvE and PvP builds is remember to use Temporal Inversion and Backstep as cooldown reducers. You can run through your whole alpha spike 2-3 times in a row with some practice. You will also keep your heals recharged, and during Backstep you can still use some abilities as well. Sure Backstep is a great "oh ****" button, but it's true beauty is the cooldown reductions.
Cheers!
I'm gonna go work on the Romulan Rep then :P
What's the advantages of having a Chroniton Beam Array anyway? I don't want to spend ages getting 200 Lobi and then waste them :P
It's only worth it in the presences of the rest of the temporal set. Although the movement debuff proc is OK, it's not a good reason all on its own, while the Temporal Inversion field is one of the most useful abilities in game. The set also has the advantage of boosting chroniton torpedo damage about as much as an XI blue console, improving the TDD in PvE and PvP as well as the regular chroniton torps in the PvE build also.
If you can only afford a single lobi item, the Tachyokinetic console s a better value as it's useful on any ship.
edit, the best bet is wait for the dilithium exchange to crash again a month or two after LoR is out and buy master keys using converted dilithium. I got enough lobi from lockboxes exclusively using dilithium to buy keys to get the temporal set as well as the Rule 62 console.
Aegis has two big things going for it and some subsidiary things. Primarily, it has THE best defense buff of any ship set. The 2 piece bonus is a total of 10% defense when moving. Even when stopped, the additional 5% will guarantee a positive defense rating as long as you have elusive traited (I don't think that's a word, but meh).
Second is that the engine is a Hyper impulse type engine. The mobius is very pokey for an escort, but as long as you have at least 48 engine power, hyper impulse outperform any other engine type.
Many, if not most, recommend the Borg 2 piece for escorts. IMO the proc is not reliable enough, and the engine is too slow. Plus, defense > all in PvP. They can't kill you if they can't hit you.
Finally, all of the stats boosted by the Aegis deflector are great for survivability and shield healing/strength, not to mention some power insulators thrown in the mix. All in all, IMO Aegis is the ultimate tankiness gear for escorts in general, and beyond perfect on a destroyer like the mobius.
Any more questions, feel free to ask! Cheers!
My current keybinds is obtained from the Hilbert Guide. I hit space, shields distribute, weapons fire, and everything in tray 7 activates. Were you talking about a different layout, or one similar to this?
Well, it all depends on what you're doing, but most builds will want to put 9 points in the basic weapon, shield, and hull skills (Weapon Training, Energy Weapons, Projectile Weapons, Hull Repair, Structural Integrity, Shield Emitters, Shield Systems), at least 6 in Starship Maneuvers and Starship Targetting Systems, a few points in Power Insulators, and 3-6 in most or all of the power boosting skills (both the Warp Core ones and the 4 Performance ones). A list of how much each skill does can be found here: http://home.comcast.net/~amicus/Skill%20Point%20Effects.htm