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Mirror Universe Excelsior Class

starshipserenitystarshipserenity Member Posts: 54 Arc User
edited November 2014 in Federation Discussion
Hello, Devs!

Ever since the days before beta when we were all typing out our future STO fantasies on the old forums, one simple idea that I eagerly counted the days until was when we could pilot Mirror Universe starships.... fully equipped with the glorious I.S.S. naming prefix! With the past three lockbox waves, those beloved mirror universe starships are finally entering the game.

I'd like to lovingly petition for the Mirror Universe Excelsior. I do hope it is in line to be released in mirror universe form as the past six starships have been. Of course, everybody has their favorite starship: because of that I am confident that other starships are in line to be released in Mirror Universe form as well.

My question for this thread is:
Is the Excelsior class in line for a mirror universe version? If not, please enter it into the line! If yes.... give us a sign....


Thank you for all of your hard (and awesome) work!

Long Live the Terran Empire
Through breaking waves and vicious storms /
Against lightning's fury and thunder's scorn /
Only through fire is order forged /
WIth vibrant glory /
A sword
=/\=

I.S.S. Excalibur NCC-1664
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  • mimey2mimey2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    I don't believe we'll be seeing a Mirror Excelsior.

    The Mirror ships are different skinned and slightly altered BOFF layouts of free level 40 ships we have, as a means of letting players change it up, and also possibly get a decent ship without grinding dil.
    I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
    I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
  • serenity8060serenity8060 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    I'm right there with ya on the Excelcior but I too doubt it will ever be a playable ship... I wish they'd just put the mirror skins and I.S.S. prefix on the C-Store for ppl to buy them if they wanted. They're already in game so it wouldn't cost them a dime.

    It also wouldn't take away from the lockbox mirror ships simply b/c they would still have the altered boff/console layout.
  • xigbargxigbarg Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    May make people baw. I can see the Mirror Excelsior having a lt cmd. Science and a lt. tac.

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  • mimey2mimey2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    xigbarg wrote: »
    May make people baw. I can see the Mirror Excelsior having a lt cmd. Science and a lt. tac.

    "My powers! NOOOOOOOOOO!"

    Actually, it'd probably switch out the ensign engineer with a tac or sci slot more than likely.
    I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
    I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
  • temerarioustemerarious Member Posts: 22 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    mimey2 wrote: »
    Actually, it'd probably switch out the ensign engineer with a tac or sci slot more than likely.

    That wouldn't break my heart. I love my Excelsior.
  • smokeybacon90smokeybacon90 Member Posts: 2,252 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    An ensign tac would make it a better build than the standard Excelsior. An ensign sci would be somewhat of an improvement too.
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  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    It would certainly be an interesting idea, but I'm not sure it would make sense (yes, I even try to apply sense to the goofy MU).

    The Terran Empire was destroyed after Spock had taken over and tried to create peace.
    The current incarnation is a rather recent event and appearently their ships are based on the prime universe versions (like the Defiant).
    Ships like the Miranda make sense since they are likely to have originally been constructed before the fall of the Empire (and might have been lying around in some depot), while the newer ships are based on the ones from the Prime Universe.
    Ships like the Excelsior...well I'm not sure there was ever any interest in building them.
    They were conceived in an era where there was no Empire after all and never built in the Mirror Universe of that era.
    And the newly refounded one probably had its hands full building "new" ships instead of retrofits of older ships.

    I'd sure love to see one though.
  • psycoticvulcanpsycoticvulcan Member Posts: 4,160 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    misterde3 wrote: »
    It would certainly be an interesting idea, but I'm not sure it would make sense (yes, I even try to apply sense to the goofy MU).

    The Terran Empire was destroyed after Spock had taken over and tried to create peace.
    The current incarnation is a rather recent event and appearently their ships are based on the prime universe versions (like the Defiant).
    Ships like the Miranda make sense since they are likely to have originally been constructed before the fall of the Empire (and might have been lying around in some depot), while the newer ships are based on the ones from the Prime Universe.
    Ships like the Excelsior...well I'm not sure there was ever any interest in building them.
    They were conceived in an era where there was no Empire after all and never built in the Mirror Universe of that era.
    And the newly refounded one probably had its hands full building "new" ships instead of retrofits of older ships.

    I'd sure love to see one though.

    Regardless of whether it makes sense, the Terrans do use Excelsior class ships. Here's a link.
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  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    *Note to self: don't use brain when discussing STO*
  • ussultimatumussultimatum Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    mimey2 wrote: »
    I don't believe we'll be seeing a Mirror Excelsior.

    The Mirror ships are different skinned and slightly altered BOFF layouts of free level 40 ships we have, as a means of letting players change it up, and also possibly get a decent ship without grinding dil.

    Yeah I think all of this, probably just wishful thinking threads, do lose sight of the fact that we will be unlikely to see mirror versions of ships in boxes of ships that are sold in the Cstore.



    On the other hand, there is a possibility we might see them in the Cstore.
  • thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 6,159 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    misterde3 wrote: »
    It would certainly be an interesting idea, but I'm not sure it would make sense (yes, I even try to apply sense to the goofy MU).

    The Terran Empire was destroyed after Spock had taken over and tried to create peace.
    The current incarnation is a rather recent event and appearently their ships are based on the prime universe versions (like the Defiant).
    Ships like the Miranda make sense since they are likely to have originally been constructed before the fall of the Empire (and might have been lying around in some depot), while the newer ships are based on the ones from the Prime Universe.
    Ships like the Excelsior...well I'm not sure there was ever any interest in building them.
    They were conceived in an era where there was no Empire after all and never built in the Mirror Universe of that era.
    And the newly refounded one probably had its hands full building "new" ships instead of retrofits of older ships.

    I'd sure love to see one though.

    Second Terran Empire maybe? or.. you know... the not so cool "Terran Federation"
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  • lexusk19lexusk19 Member Posts: 1,415 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Oooh yes, I want the I.S.S. Tag and skin for my ships from Z-Store. I would buy it! :D
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  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    thay8472 wrote: »
    Second Terran Empire maybe? or.. you know... the not so cool "Terran Federation"

    I know it's referred to by that as well, however here's a little riddle:

    If it's called the "Terran Federation", why do the ships still carry the ISS-designation?
    Not TSS or TSS of TFSS or whatever?
  • thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 6,159 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    misterde3 wrote: »
    I know it's referred to by that as well, however here's a little riddle:

    If it's called the "Terran Federation", why do the ships still carry the ISS-designation?
    Not TSS or TSS of TFSS or whatever?

    no idea, maybe smileys son is just a bit brain dead and mixed up the words Federation and Empire... now that hes dead I hope my coutnerpart is fixing the Empire :D
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    Thank you for the Typhoon!
  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    thay8472 wrote: »
    no idea, maybe smileys son is just a bit brain dead and mixed up the words Federation and Empire... now that hes dead I hope my coutnerpart is fixing the Empire :D

    Lemme guess, you've got 8472 in your name...which means your counterpart is either an Undine with a gotee or (since Undine also means some kind of water spirit)...a rock monster from "Galaxy Quest".:P
  • thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 6,159 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    misterde3 wrote: »
    Lemme guess, you've got 8472 in your name...which means your counterpart is either an Undine with a gotee or (since Undine also means some kind of water spirit)...a rock monster from "Galaxy Quest".:P

    Aslong as im not the thing that got turned inside out, then exploded.. all is good :D
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  • stardestroyer001stardestroyer001 Member Posts: 2,615 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    misterde3 wrote: »
    ...why do the ships still carry the ISS-designation?
    Not TSS or TSS of TFSS or whatever?

    I.S.S. stands for "Imperial Star Ship", similar to how U.S.S. stands for "Ur Ship Sucks!"... I mean "United Star Ship". :)
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  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    I.S.S. stands for "Imperial Star Ship", similar to how U.S.S. stands for "Ur Ship Sucks!"... I mean "United Star Ship". :)


    I think you missed the point by a few light years...
  • xigbargxigbarg Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Nah, ISS stands for "I Superior Shipper".

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    Coming to a theater near you.
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  • stardestroyer001stardestroyer001 Member Posts: 2,615 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    misterde3 wrote: »
    I think you missed the point by a few light years...

    ...It was a joke.
    xigbarg wrote:
    Nah, ISS stands for "I Superior Shipper".

    Shipping Wars
    Coming to a theater near you.

    Shipping wars...heh. So the Terran Empire is more relentless in its shipping fees than the Federation? :P
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  • dom1941dom1941 Member Posts: 156 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    ...It was a joke.



    Shipping wars...heh. So the Terran Empire is more relentless in its shipping fees than the Federation? :P

    Hey! and yea with the advanced tech? why not:D
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  • xigbargxigbarg Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    ...It was a joke.



    Shipping wars...heh. So the Terran Empire is more relentless in its shipping fees than the Federation? :P

    Its their way of taxing people. If you disagree with their ship, you die.
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  • raibartroudrixraibartroudrix Member Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    misterde3 wrote: »
    It would certainly be an interesting idea, but I'm not sure it would make sense (yes, I even try to apply sense to the goofy MU).

    The Terran Empire was destroyed after Spock had taken over and tried to create peace.
    The current incarnation is a rather recent event and appearently their ships are based on the prime universe versions (like the Defiant).
    Ships like the Miranda make sense since they are likely to have originally been constructed before the fall of the Empire (and might have been lying around in some depot), while the newer ships are based on the ones from the Prime Universe.
    Ships like the Excelsior...well I'm not sure there was ever any interest in building them.
    They were conceived in an era where there was no Empire after all and never built in the Mirror Universe of that era.
    And the newly refounded one probably had its hands full building "new" ships instead of retrofits of older ships.

    I'd sure love to see one though.

    I kinda agree with this for same reasons, and I own and Love my Excelsior refit and my Mirrior ship but... i Just dont Think the Empire built them :(
  • raibartroudrixraibartroudrix Member Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Regardless of whether it makes sense, the Terrans do use Excelsior class ships. Here's a link.

    0.0 <3 Wow just saw this ... ill ican say is Yay! maybe we will get it!
  • psycoticvulcanpsycoticvulcan Member Posts: 4,160 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    We never found out exactly when the Terran Empire fell. It could easily have been after 2285, which (in the prime universe at least) was the year the Excelsior was introduced. Alternatively, the resurrected Empire in STO could have stolen plans from Starfleet facilities.
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    "Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them."
    -Thomas Marrone
  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    We never found out exactly when the Terran Empire fell. It could easily have been after 2285, which (in the prime universe at least) was the year the Excelsior was introduced.

    Possibly, but if we go by the novel series on the subject (Sorrows of the Empire), the Terran Empire had begun to reduce its military spendings by that point.
    Alternatively, the resurrected Empire in STO could have stolen plans from Starfleet facilities.

    But that's the weird thing:

    It's usually only sensible to retrofit because you actually already have ships to retrofit.
    You already invested resources once and it should theretically take less resources to bring the existing ships to a new standard than build new ones.
    That's the point behind the whole thing.
    But when you build a retrofitted version of an older desgn as new construction, you basically take the entire principle of a retrofit and turn it on its ear.
    When a newly constructed design of the same size takes the same resources to build, has the same performance and still leaves room for further upgrades since it's actually new from the design-principle standpoint, a retrofit as a new ship is a dead-end.:confused:
  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    ...It was a joke.

    Ah, okay.:)
  • shinyspddmnshinyspddmn Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    what I am noticing is that people are not taking into account ships that may have been captured from the Tholians by the Terran Empire (such as the U.S.S. Defiant in 2155) which is most likely how they got their hands on the design for the Constution class, so it is entirely possible that the Terran Empire found an Excelsior in a Tholian base and decided to take it to copy the design
  • lilithene666lilithene666 Member Posts: 49 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    lexusk19 wrote: »
    Oooh yes, I want the I.S.S. Tag and skin for my ships from Z-Store. I would buy it! :D

    Same here. :D
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