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admiralmurkadmiralmurk Member Posts: 35 Arc User
edited January 2013 in Federation Discussion
Hello all,
I have recently been introduced to the world of STFs and am still fairly new, but what i was thinking was to get a vesta ship, i am a tac captain.
What would be the best build to have on the ship?
What Boff abilities will i need?
What Captain abilities will i need?
I also want to know keep good ground skill points as well, as i do a lot of ground STFs too.
Thank You.
Sean :):):)
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    jadensecurajadensecura Member Posts: 660 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    If you're a tac captain who's new to this get a Patrol Escort, not a Vesta. It fits you much better and is much less difficult to run. Then for weapons get 4 DHCs on the front and 3 turrets on the back, Disruptor, Antiproton, or Tetryon depending on what you can get your hands on, but all the same damage type. Then for abilities, try something like this:

    Tac Team 1, Cannon Scatter Volley 1, Attack Pattern Beta 2, Attack Pattern Omega 2
    Tac Team 1, Cannon Scatter Volley 1, Attack Pattern Omega 1
    Emergency Power to Shields 1, Auxiliary to Structural 1
    Emergency Power to Shields 1
    Hazard Emitters 1, Transfer Shield Strength 2

    All of those are available from the bridge officer trainer on ESD. For consoles get 4 damage boosting tac consoles for your damage type, a Neutronium, and an Emitter Array. That should set you up reasonably well and not be too expensive.
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    dom1941dom1941 Member Posts: 156 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    What about the Advanced Escort? Both it and the Patrol Escort have the same hull cap, but the Adv. Escort has a extra sci Boff slot. so putting a Polarise hull abilty would work right?
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    xigbargxigbarg Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Depends on what you have. Its good for getting out of tractor beams but Hazard Emitters help you clear some debuffs and heals the hull. Transfer Shield Strength is also nice for a shield buff. They say evasive maneuvers also help clear tractor beams so i wouldn't know for sure.
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    jadensecurajadensecura Member Posts: 660 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    dom1941 wrote: »
    What about the Advanced Escort? Both it and the Patrol Escort have the same hull cap, but the Adv. Escort has a extra sci Boff slot. so putting a Polarise hull abilty would work right?

    Yes, the Advanced Escort and Patrol Escort are basically the same except that the Ensign slot on the Advanced is a sci and on the Patrol it's an eng. Generally the eng slot is more valuable than the sci slot, at least in PvE. Polarize Hull is really a PvP power, in PvE you don't really need to move that much, the tractors only really cause a problem if your team screwed up and let a cube get to the probe duty person in KA and on spheres, and not too much of one then. Besides, you've got half uptime on APO the way I built it anyway, why bother with PH? For eng slots you basically need 2 copies of EPtS unless you're impossibly good or using expensive doffs, the Patrol Escort gives you space to run an eng power other than those, and the Aux2SIF I suggested is a very nice hull heal and resistance buff, which results in significantly better survivability.

    EDIT: Evasive Maneuvers doesn't actually clear tractor beams. Technically the effects of a tractor beam aren't absolute, it's only a movement debuff, so EM could in principle allow you to simply keep flying while in the tractor. Practically, I haven't found it very noticeable.
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    xigbargxigbarg Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Also because Engi team would be getting in the way of your Tac teams :p
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    admiralmurkadmiralmurk Member Posts: 35 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Thank you for all your help guys, much appreciated, keep posting comments, and i will take all advice into account :)
    Thank you soo much
    Sean
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    ferdzso0ferdzso0 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    If you're a tac captain who's new to this get a Patrol Escort, not a Vesta. It fits you much better.

    you lost me right there

    10k DPS Vesta threads: 1; 2
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    shandypandyshandypandy Member Posts: 632 Arc User
    edited January 2013

    EDIT: Evasive Maneuvers doesn't actually clear tractor beams. Technically the effects of a tractor beam aren't absolute, it's only a movement debuff, so EM could in principle allow you to simply keep flying while in the tractor. Practically, I haven't found it very noticeable.

    EM let's my engineer nearly ignore ai tractors in my fleet tac retro and hec. No idea how effective it is against player tractors in pvp though.
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    admiralmurkadmiralmurk Member Posts: 35 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    I was a little confused as to why i would need the escort and not the Vesta, but as I'm new, I thought it was good advice, I haven't done anything yet, waiting to see what other posts appear, would I also need to remap my ability tree? or is that not really essential?
    Sean
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    ferdzso0ferdzso0 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    I was a little confused as to why i would need the escort and not the Vesta, but as I'm new, I thought it was good advice, I haven't done anything yet, waiting to see what other posts appear, would I also need to remap my ability tree? or is that not really essential?
    Sean

    check my thread for the aventine build

    generally they said you need an escort because you are a tac, so its a nice stereotype. in the vesta as a tac you could be of extreme hlep in an stf, or space pve, even with my build (though the skills and some of the consoles might need to be changed)

    10k DPS Vesta threads: 1; 2
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    admiralmurkadmiralmurk Member Posts: 35 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    ferdzso0 wrote: »
    check my thread for the aventine build

    generally they said you need an escort because you are a tac, so its a nice stereotype. in the vesta as a tac you could be of extreme hlep in an stf, or space pve, even with my build (though the skills and some of the consoles might need to be changed)

    Ahh i see, the trouble is being able to affrd the DHCs for it, they arnt cheap.... i only have around 3.4m EC and thank you, ill look at that.
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    ferdzso0ferdzso0 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Ahh i see, the trouble is being able to affrd the DHCs for it, they arnt cheap.... i only have around 3.4m EC and thank you, ill look at that.

    I didnt say it was gonna be cheap :) but with a tac you should have a higher base dps than me, so you go to sb24 and gorn minefield, and you can get the first place and some easy money :)

    also you can get creative with your setup, my particular build just works well enough, so you can aim for that if you want

    10k DPS Vesta threads: 1; 2
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    jadensecurajadensecura Member Posts: 660 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Escorts are a lot more agile than the Vesta, and definitely can achieve more DPS (one really good person I know gets 12k from their escort and 8k from their Vesta, although admittedly they haven't had the Vesta very long). You can also get an escort an awful lot cheaper than you can get the Vesta, if you're going for the pack through dilithium at an exchange rate of 87 like I saw yesterday the Vesta would be 435,000 vs 120,000.
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    dom1941dom1941 Member Posts: 156 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    EM does NOT get you out of tractor beams, which is why Polarise hulls great if you get tractor teamed. But hey its your choice and I suggest you go with the abilites that are good for DPS and that all suite you the best.:D
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    darkjeffdarkjeff Member Posts: 2,590 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    If you can stand the BOff layout, I'd go with the Heavy Escort Carrier. I can't stand it, which is why I'm in a Vesta. :P
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    admiralmurkadmiralmurk Member Posts: 35 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    edalgo wrote: »
    Feel free to PM me in game and ask any questions you may have. GL

    Thank you, what is your character@handle? i will add you when i get the chance, thank you for all the advice everyone, its much appreciated.
    :):):)
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    ferdzso0ferdzso0 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Escorts are a lot more agile than the Vesta, and definitely can achieve more DPS (one really good person I know gets 12k from their escort and 8k from their Vesta, although admittedly they haven't had the Vesta very long). You can also get an escort an awful lot cheaper than you can get the Vesta, if you're going for the pack through dilithium at an exchange rate of 87 like I saw yesterday the Vesta would be 435,000 vs 120,000.

    vesta can come pretty close to the escort dps (mine does 10k, and I am a sci), while having cc abilities, with the only real drawback being the turnrate

    10k DPS Vesta threads: 1; 2
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    red01999red01999 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Ahh i see, the trouble is being able to affrd the DHCs for it, they arnt cheap.... i only have around 3.4m EC and thank you, ill look at that.

    Keep in mind, you don't need to zoom straight to blue or purple weapons. Mk XI commons or greens work just fine and are a lot cheaper - I've seen some at 10K EC or less on the exchange. Which is not to say that you shouldn't GET better weapons eventually, but everyone has to start somewhere, and you could do far worse.
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    shaeplyshaeply Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    If you want the best in this game, be tactical and buy an escort. All other is junk here, it looks nice at paper, but don't work at game at all.
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    smokeybacon90smokeybacon90 Member Posts: 2,252 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    shaeply wrote: »
    If you want the best in this game, be tactical and buy an escort. All other is junk here, it looks nice at paper, but don't work at game at all.

    Only in PVP, for the rest of the game, anyone can have a lot of fun and be highly successful in a cruiser as eng, or a science ship as sci.

    For example I think I do quite well in eSTFs as an engineer cruiser captain, but I wouldn't go into PVP as him, as I know I would get my TRIBBLE handed to me. At the best I would be able to tank an escort's attacks for a short time and not be able to retaliate good enough.
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    kimmymkimmym Member Posts: 1,317 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Meh, grass is greener syndrome.

    When I'm on my sci I wish I was a tac. On my tac I wish I was my sci. Yeah, in most cases a tac in an escort is going to be most effective, but the differences aren't as strong as most people make them out to be. No amount of DPS is going to save the day the way I can in a well specced vesta when things start to go south. No amount of fancy vesta tricks are going to mean a damn if the run goes so smoothly I don't need to do anything but DPS.

    I don't PvP so if that's your game then you need more specialized advice, but for PvE the classes and ships are more balanced then people would lead you to believe. It's not perfect but it's not as lopsided as the extremist insist.
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    ferdzso0ferdzso0 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    kimmym wrote: »
    Meh, grass is greener syndrome.

    When I'm on my sci I wish I was a tac. On my tac I wish I was my sci. Yeah, in most cases a tac in an escort is going to be most effective, but the differences aren't as strong as most people make them out to be. No amount of DPS is going to save the day the way I can in a well specced vesta when things start to go south. No amount of fancy vesta tricks are going to mean a damn if the run goes so smoothly I don't need to do anything but DPS.

    I don't PvP so if that's your game then you need more specialized advice, but for PvE the classes and ships are more balanced then people would lead you to believe. It's not perfect but it's not as lopsided as the extremist insist.

    well the only reason you would need the fancy abilities, because others did not have the DPS or brains to keep stuff under control. so the imbalance is right there, and it is severe

    10k DPS Vesta threads: 1; 2
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    admiralmurkadmiralmurk Member Posts: 35 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    There seems to be a lot of competition as to what ship to get, i mean, out of the two, which would be the more fun to use? as i can see this debate going on for a while :P, i not overly worried about getting max DPS, i want it to be high, so i can make a good contribution, but a couple of thousand isn't going to worry me, i would want to play mostly for the fun, i not worried about the cost of the ship, it looks like people have each chosen differently, so it looks like there is on right or wrong choice, so what do people find more fun to use? the vesta, or escort?
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    ferdzso0ferdzso0 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    There seems to be a lot of competition as to what ship to get, i mean, out of the two, which would be the more fun to use? as i can see this debate going on for a while :P, i not overly worried about getting max DPS, i want it to be high, so i can make a good contribution, but a couple of thousand isn't going to worry me, i would want to play mostly for the fun, i not worried about the cost of the ship, it looks like people have each chosen differently, so it looks like there is on right or wrong choice, so what do people find more fun to use? the vesta, or escort?

    depends on your playstyle. if you dont mind the turnrate, then the vesta has more "fun" potential, because of its versitality

    10k DPS Vesta threads: 1; 2
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    admiralmurkadmiralmurk Member Posts: 35 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    ferdzso0 wrote: »
    depends on your playstyle. if you dont mind the turnrate, then the vesta has more "fun" potential, because of its versitality

    No, turn rate doesn't really bother me, as in STFs a lot of what yu do is almost stationary, and as long as you have evasive maneuvers, there's no worries.:):)
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