The Federation needs a frigate pet, but it doesn't have to be a damage-dealing frigate pet. Being able to launch a frigate that has limited firepower and uses healing abilities on you and your team would be VERY apropos for the faction.
Atrox ain't big enough, the KDF BoPs that fly off a Vo'quv are smaller in pressurized profile, and the wing
No way, the Atrox is the largest ship in the game! It's longer than the Vo'quv by 50 meters, and is taller and thicker as well. There's plenty of space for a Defiant, Aquarius or BoP-sized pet.
That said, I do NOT support using Defiants as pets, as it would dilute the fearsomeness of the Tac escort. B'rels by comparison are low-end weakling BoPs, besides the retrofit, so their use as mere minions is more justifiable.
As another guy said, the Aquarius makes much more sense. The Ody already uses it as one, so stuffing a couple into a catboat is natural.
10 million cubic tons of Sovereign Federation territory anywhere you care to park it.
that made me LOL, you know there is no such thing as a cubic ton, right, tons are measures of mass and/or force, cubic units are for volume, ie. cubic meters. You could say 10 million metric tons, or it could be ten megatons or something like that.
Why would a carrier carry and launch a Defiant class ship? It's the same issue with B'rel Birds of Prey which doesn't make sense being on a carrier.
You place ship, boats and aircraft on a carrier because they don't have the range or speed a carrier has as well as not being able to support, refuel or rearm themselves. Both the Defiant and the B'rel have the capability to do so. So why waste room on a carrier for ships that can just fly next to it without any limitations?
While I'd love to see a bit more sturdier Fed carrier pets, I'd really hate if they turned out to be Defiants.
An Atrox-only, unique caitian-design, heavy carrier pet would be the better alternative.
I must admit that when the atrox came out, I was disappointed that it lacked the ability to pop out itty bitty defiants. But I think that the aquarius would be far more appropriate, they do "fold up" and what not for storage, so they are already geared toward being carrier pets. Though I'm not sure cryptic would want to make the aquarius available to carriers since it was supposed to be an interesting feature of the ody... even though it's damage is negligible and it will die about 15 seconds after launch when the first enemy ship blows up and then have a 5 minute cool down... >> yeah... anyway, lol. The aquarius or something like it would be better for the "frigate" pet on the fed side.
You place ship, boats and aircraft on a carrier because they don't have the range or speed a carrier has as well as not being able to support, refuel or rearm themselves. Both the Defiant and the B'rel have the capability to do so. So why waste room on a carrier for ships that can just fly next to it without any limitations?
We can solve that and many another problems.... we can set warp nacelles to ESD and give it to any players (by no less 100.000 Zen points). This way, a "federation ship" can use several and very bigger pets.
Of course that is a joke
Exist many ship can take the role of pets, saber class and aquarius are a better option than defiant class (too powerfull... or at least must be).
Another option is make an Command fleet cruiser that can call ships from Star Fleet (as a carrier launch their fighters).
Or even that Command option can be a console (on DS9 we see defiant flanked by two miranda sub-classes as escorts); this console can add commands ui and have the ussual 3 min CD.
Thought of another idea actually. Make a new Caitian skin for the playable Aquarius, and stick ships with that skin in the Atrox as its frigate pet if there must be one.
But then what to do with the Ho'sus... there's already a fleet B'rel so we can't merge it into that.
Just out of curiousity does anyone think the defiant would make a good hangar pet say for the Atrox?
The Defiant could easily fit on the Atrox, the Defiant is small. Not sure if it could fit on a Escort Carrier though.
I think it should be the opposite...The Atrox is as useless as a bucket in empty space. Would be nice if the Atrox could fit as a hangar for the defiant instead
Just kidding... since the comparison is beyond comprehension....this carrier is useless as the Dread cruiser and should be scrapped off for metal instead IMO:)
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and getting 1 per hangar bay when launched and only being able to support ONLY 1 per hangar bay would make this something I would agree to... but still the idea is a bit far fetched and I want to point out that the Defiant scale makes it so large as to not be something that could be carried by another ship UNLESS they retooled the size of the ship (Atrox) Carrier
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Fuel supply and range veries alot between ship times. A defiant isn't going to have the range of a Cruiser.
Cruisers have bigger warp cores and more storage space, some Science Ships are designed for long term missions as well, carrier and normal science ships, and enigeering aligned Escorts next and finally tac and science escorts.
On the Klingon side Flight Deck Cruisers, Battle Cruisers, Carriers and Fleet Support Ships, Naus Destroyers, Raptors, and BoPs for Range.
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...Sorry. But anyway, honestly, let's let the KDF keep frigate pets just so there's something they keep for their own I think...
Its smaller and is a tad more compact than the Defiant, and its already deployable from a similar sized ship, the Odyssey.
Only thing, is it would need to be buffed. As it stands, the pet version (hell even the player version) sucks in every aspect.
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No way, the Atrox is the largest ship in the game! It's longer than the Vo'quv by 50 meters, and is taller and thicker as well. There's plenty of space for a Defiant, Aquarius or BoP-sized pet.
That said, I do NOT support using Defiants as pets, as it would dilute the fearsomeness of the Tac escort. B'rels by comparison are low-end weakling BoPs, besides the retrofit, so their use as mere minions is more justifiable.
As another guy said, the Aquarius makes much more sense. The Ody already uses it as one, so stuffing a couple into a catboat is natural.
difeant class, mirenda class, aquariurs class, and uss-nar-raven scould all be good starfleet fedball launch able frigates fron carriers.
Do that, and have the Oddy deploy their aquarius =D
that made me LOL, you know there is no such thing as a cubic ton, right, tons are measures of mass and/or force, cubic units are for volume, ie. cubic meters. You could say 10 million metric tons, or it could be ten megatons or something like that.
And it's also shaped like a blue...
You know what, never mind. :P
It took this many pages for someone to make that reference?
I'm disappointed.
Yo dawg, we heard you liked hangers, so we put a hanger in your hanger so you can launch while you launch!
You place ship, boats and aircraft on a carrier because they don't have the range or speed a carrier has as well as not being able to support, refuel or rearm themselves. Both the Defiant and the B'rel have the capability to do so. So why waste room on a carrier for ships that can just fly next to it without any limitations?
While I'd love to see a bit more sturdier Fed carrier pets, I'd really hate if they turned out to be Defiants.
An Atrox-only, unique caitian-design, heavy carrier pet would be the better alternative.
Time to break out the Condors then methinks.
If I'm not mistaken, a Saber is supposed to be about 30% larger than a Defiant
Of course that is a joke
Exist many ship can take the role of pets, saber class and aquarius are a better option than defiant class (too powerfull... or at least must be).
Another option is make an Command fleet cruiser that can call ships from Star Fleet (as a carrier launch their fighters).
Or even that Command option can be a console (on DS9 we see defiant flanked by two miranda sub-classes as escorts); this console can add commands ui and have the ussual 3 min CD.
But then what to do with the Ho'sus... there's already a fleet B'rel so we can't merge it into that.
I think it should be the opposite...The Atrox is as useless as a bucket in empty space. Would be nice if the Atrox could fit as a hangar for the defiant instead
Just kidding... since the comparison is beyond comprehension....this carrier is useless as the Dread cruiser and should be scrapped off for metal instead IMO:)
Devs need to come up with better FED carriers.
Cannon Rapid Fire II
Torp High Yield I
and getting 1 per hangar bay when launched and only being able to support ONLY 1 per hangar bay would make this something I would agree to... but still the idea is a bit far fetched and I want to point out that the Defiant scale makes it so large as to not be something that could be carried by another ship UNLESS they retooled the size of the ship (Atrox) Carrier
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I have never trusted humans, and I never will
Cruisers have bigger warp cores and more storage space, some Science Ships are designed for long term missions as well, carrier and normal science ships, and enigeering aligned Escorts next and finally tac and science escorts.
On the Klingon side Flight Deck Cruisers, Battle Cruisers, Carriers and Fleet Support Ships, Naus Destroyers, Raptors, and BoPs for Range.