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darramouss1darramouss1 Member Posts: 1,811 Arc User
Hello all.

I write this as a plea to PWE.

Please bring back Borg weapons!! I never really appreciated them until I started parsing my battles. Seeing Borg weapons inflict an average of 110% of the damage other weapons inflict (including the [Borg] proc breaks my heart to know that my new toons will never have access to this cool tech.

People, if you agree with me, please respond.

Is there any chance of a dev saying why they were removed?

Thank you!!
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  • ferdzso0ferdzso0 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    fleet weapons are better. the borg proc did not work either. plus you can get the borg proc in the rep system (or an equivalent for it)

    10k DPS Vesta threads: 1; 2
  • admiraljt#1430 admiraljt Member Posts: 452 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    ferdzso0 wrote: »
    fleet weapons are better. the borg proc did not work either. plus you can get the borg proc in the rep system (or an equivalent for it)

    ^^^^This

    What I want is a refund for all the Borg weapons I already have.
  • darramouss1darramouss1 Member Posts: 1,811 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    The [Borg] proc does work. The parser shows it listed as "Chaotic Particle Stream". Me just saying that shouldn't be enough, so here's how I know.

    The ACT parser lists every type of weapon you use as well as it's damage. I usually use two Phased Tetryon Dual Heavy Cannons on the front of one of my ships. I replaced one of these with a [Borg] Tetryon Dual Heavy Cannon and both were listed under separate entries in the parser.

    The Phased Tetryon canon did 763,969 damage in an STF. The [Borg] cannon did 735,359 damage BUT there was 51,000 Chaotic Particle Stream damage.

    Chaotic Particle Stream damage ONLY ever appears in my parse logs when I use [Borg] weapons. I've tried this numerous times and it's always true.
  • ferdzso0ferdzso0 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    borg proc does not work as in not all borg are labeled as borg, so not every enemy will be affected by it.

    also do you use other borg proc weapons, as their number will also be added to the chaotic particle stream. and even then the difference between the two is very very little, which can be a fortunate round, where you got loads of hits with the proc

    10k DPS Vesta threads: 1; 2
  • darramouss1darramouss1 Member Posts: 1,811 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    When I test I ensure that the ship only has one [Borg] weapon so that I can attribute all Chaotic Particle damage to it.

    Just did another test, this time with beams on Cure. I loaded one Polarized Disruptor Array, one [Borg] Disruptor array and placed Tetryon beams on the rest of the ship so I could isolate the two Disruptors. (I did pretty well in the match so hopefully people didn't mind seeing me fly a skittle boat!!) Polarized Disruptor did 696,185. The [Borg] weapon did 694,961 + 89,000 Chaotic Particle Stream. (When you compare the base numbers, the difference is only one proc. I can't believe how unlucky you'd have to be to not get that one proc in an entire STF!!!)

    I was always skeptical of the [Borg] proc, but now that I can actually see the numbers I have no doubts. Additionally, if some ships aren't registering as Borg, then yes, I can see that the [Borg] weapons don't do as much damage, but that differential is marginal. The damage being done against the ships that ARE registering as Borg sure makes up for that tiny differential.
  • ferdzso0ferdzso0 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    which act plugin do you use?

    10k DPS Vesta threads: 1; 2
  • darramouss1darramouss1 Member Posts: 1,811 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    I'm using arias plugin.
  • ferdzso0ferdzso0 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    you might wanna try the new one 2.0.1.1. it is a bit more detailed (I dunno which is yours, but the new one works like the old combatlog parser 0.1)

    anyway, overall fleet weapons will deal more dmg (advanced fleet weaps are about 10% increase over borg), and with the stuff (like accx2) dual proc weapons should deal more dmg

    10k DPS Vesta threads: 1; 2
  • bortjinxbortjinx Member Posts: 397
    edited January 2013
    It's been confirmed by the devs (Tribble forum before season 7 was launched) that the Borg proc has never worked properly. That is not to say it doesn't work at all, only that it isn't as effective as it should be.

    He didn't go into great detail about it though, so I don't know the specifics.
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  • orikleinoriklein Member Posts: 60 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    bortjinx wrote: »
    It's been confirmed by the devs (Tribble forum before season 7 was launched) that the Borg proc has never worked properly. That is not to say it doesn't work at all, only that it isn't as effective as it should be.

    He didn't go into great detail about it though, so I don't know the specifics.

    Exactly, he didn't go into detail. You ASSUME it wasn't as effective as it should be.
    Quite the contrary, the reason they've poofed them (other than the obvious economical ones) is that they worked TOO well. And why they don't bother to fix it so all borg are defined as borg is to deny those who have legacy weapons from "exploiting" (profiting from having) them.
    The only reason they aren't taking them back in a mass update is because they know and rightly fear the following upheaval.

    You also don't need ACT to see the Chaotic Particle Stream procs and the amounts of sweet damage they dish out. Just look at the game's own combat log.

    Anyone with half a noggin has already by now realized that they've dropped a nice 1-2k of DPS since the [borg] weapons went the way of old Romulus.

    As for fleet weapons being better? A matter open to dispute. I definitely don't see the fleet AP CritX weapons as better than the [borg] AP ones. And more or less same goes for the rest of the damage types.
    But, as the saying goes: for PvE/STF you have more than enough. Unless you're PvPing, having the cutting edge doesn't make you much of a difference.
    And PvP is mostly still borked with some of the pay to win consoles, anyway, so whatever.


    Besides, fleet weapons are not accessible to all. Lots of poor sods are still in fleets which bar their members from provision access (mostly due to fact that it is without supervision measures, GG Cryptic; but there are also those abusive fleets with jerks for leaders who hog all to themselves and their clique circle). And of course there are the solo'ers who prefer to not have a fleet in first place.

    Moreover, from the peek I took, the reputation store only supplies ground weapons. And even then, only in a single flavour. There are no space weapons or diversity.
    Furthermore, there are no (in the reputation store) shields, deflectors, engines, armours, PSGs, either. Only the sets.
    Old borg store had stuff similar to fleet items that anyone could get. Rather decent stuff, at that. Without needing a fleet.

    I also noticed the advanced fleet weapons store missing on Disruptor Pulsewave Assault. At least on fedside.
    I wonder if Klink side is missing the Phaser Pulsewave.
    This could either be an oversight or intentional.

    Broken game. The cycle of abuse continues.
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  • darramouss1darramouss1 Member Posts: 1,811 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    I'm looking at different plugins. The Arias plugin seems to be a little out in its numbers, but we're talking an average of 0.01% difference. The 2.0.1.1 plugin seems to be the Hilbert plugin. That is accurate and I like how it displays your pet damage but I don't like how it lumps all enemies in to one category.

    Still, both plugins show Chaotic Particle Streams to be blessings to us and curses to the Borg.
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