CAn't say this ever even occurred to me, because I've always turned off the armor visuals. I didn't design my nice Starfleet uniforms to be covered by the (my opinion) very ugly armor visuals in this game.
CAn't say this ever even occurred to me, because I've always turned off the armor visuals. I didn't design my nice Starfleet uniforms to be covered by the (my opinion) very ugly armor visuals in this game.
I can understand that.
I always turn mine off when I go to ESD, Starfleet Academy, visit my bridge...or any other place where there is no combat.
I always turn on the visual when I beam down to away missions where I know there will be combat though.
I feel compelled to point out that Starfleet security officers in ST:TMP and the WoK-era movies did wear visible body armor. (Sorry, can't find a link to a picture at the moment.)
With that said, I usually turn off visuals on body armor. Although I don't "hate" the look, I feel they're generally more "Tron" than "Trek". I'd be much happier if they at least allowed you to display rank and badges on top of them.
I like the fact that the M.A.C.O. and Omega Force body armors actually look like their cosmetic counterparts now (and the M.A.C.O. at least has a generic Starfleet badge on it). I did enable visuals on EV suits so that my away team was visibly wearing them in the recent Romulan rep mission in the volcano.
stick to canon (Gene) Trek and we will get along fine
Gene Roddenberry was horrible for star trek. Go read a little about the restrictions he put on TNG and you will see why the first season or two were horrible.
Whether or not you've enabled armor visuals, an active EV suit (as in, one that's actually turned on) always overrides your current costume.
Fair enough. I don't believe you actually need to activate the EV suits until you're into the mission a bit (you get a warning from one of your officers). That's probably why I didn't see them at first, not active.
Guys, just... don't talk to sollvax. Sollvax has silly and intricately contrived objections to pretty much all things Star Trek.
Tl;dr It's better not to respond to sollvax
Pretty much this: though for him, he has those objections to anything HE thinks isn't Star Trek... but his opinion isn't the end-all argument that makes us all automatically wrong.
And if you somehow manage to legitimately prove him wrong (like emperordeslok's pic of an actual ST armor), he won't respond and will just lurk for the next place to strike... which is the standard issue troll, something he won't consider, because it doesn't register.
He'll probably respond to this too, but I won't respond to that, because it'll go nowhere.
Was named Trek17.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
The security guys in baseball armour do not actually count for much.
And exactly why is that? Clearly the Federation has had some sort of armor that it issues to people. This is Canon has been seen on screen in TMP, and it was written by Gene, so he had approved the concept.
So how can you claim that it doesn't count for much?
Yes a SANE person who does not want to look like an orbital drop suicide trooper
Remember no starfleet officer in ANY of the series ever strapped on a minigun and full battle armour
Worf got himself a nice AA missile launcher though. And the guy's on AR-558, apparently Starfleet's Squaddies, were wearing what looked like armour too. Not the kind of armour that we have in STO unfortunately, but it was standard issue based on the colouring and seemed pretty effective at protecting the wearer.
Worf got himself a nice AA missile launcher though. And the guy's on AR-558, apparently Starfleet's Squaddies, were wearing what looked like armour too. Not the kind of armour that we have in STO unfortunately, but it was standard issue based on the colouring and seemed pretty effective at protecting the wearer.
oh and there was this thing, mini guns although not starfleet ... hell of a weapon on that atv we don't have though, i'd trade armor visuals for that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GX-SYhzfaf0
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The security guys in baseball armour do not actually count for much.
And exactly why is that? Clearly the Federation has had some sort of armor that it issues to people. This is Canon has been seen on screen in TMP, and it was written by Gene, so he had approved the concept.
So how can you claim that it doesn't count for much?
because its a baseball vest
I mean literally a baseball vest
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Originally Posted by sollvax
Yes a SANE person who does not want to look like an orbital drop suicide trooper
Remember no starfleet officer in ANY of the series ever strapped on a minigun and full battle armour
Worf got himself a nice AA missile launcher though.
when technically Not a starfleet officer of course and its not a minigun
And the guy's on AR-558, apparently Starfleet's Squaddies, were wearing what looked like armour too.
Enlisted Grunts not starfleet officers
Not the kind of armour that we have in STO unfortunately, but it was standard issue based on the colouring and seemed pretty effective at protecting the wearer.
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no it was sensible (the in game stuff looks like it was designed by someone who watched too many Halo commercials)
The enlisted guys are the ones that get things done. You can have as many officers as you like but someone has to do the donkey work, and it'll usually be Tommy.
He was also wearing what looked like Starfleet division colours so even if he wasn't Starfleet he was at least from a service that was close enough that they shared basic uniform designs and division colouring: it'd also make sense, even in Star Trek, that there would be actual protective equipment available for land forces. Happy thoughts and a head buried in the sand can only get you so far, after all.
no it was sensible (the in game stuff looks like it was designed by someone who watched too many Halo commercials)
You said nothing about in game armour, you said no one had ever worn full battle armour in any of the series yet the guy in the image looks like he's wearing battle dress.
The enlisted guys are the ones that get things done. You can have as many officers as you like but someone has to do the donkey work, and it'll usually be Tommy.
He was also wearing what looked like Starfleet division colours so even if he wasn't Starfleet he was at least from a service that was close enough that they shared basic uniform designs and division colouring: it'd also make sense, even in Star Trek, that there would be actual protective equipment available for land forces. Happy thoughts and a head buried in the sand can only get you so far, after all.
no it was sensible (the in game stuff looks like it was designed by someone who watched too many Halo commercials)
You said nothing about in game armour, you said no one had ever worn full battle armour in any of the series yet the guy in the image looks like he's wearing battle dress.
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Originally Posted by sollvax
when technically Not a starfleet officer of course and its not a minigun
True, he wasn't an SF Officer at the time but it looks like Starfleet gear. It even has one of those dumb technobabble names to go with it.
but it was definately NOT standard away team issue
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Originally Posted by sollvax
Enlisted Grunts not starfleet officers
The enlisted guys are the ones that get things done. You can have as many officers as you like but someone has to do the donkey work, and it'll usually be Tommy.
yes armour for soldiers I have no problem with
but not for starfleet officers
He was also wearing what looked like Starfleet division colours so even if he wasn't Starfleet he was at least from a service that was close enough that they shared basic uniform designs and division colouring: it'd also make sense, even in Star Trek, that there would be actual protective equipment available for land forces. Happy thoughts and a head buried in the sand can only get you so far, after all.
looked like a basic flakie to me (and he was almost definately SFMC)
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Originally Posted by sollvax
no it was sensible (the in game stuff looks like it was designed by someone who watched too many Halo commercials)
You said nothing about in game armour, you said no one had ever worn full battle armour in any of the series yet the guy in the image looks like he's wearing battle dress.
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he is wearing a flakie (flak vest) bog standard for the police even today
NOT battle armour
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I can understand that.
I always turn mine off when I go to ESD, Starfleet Academy, visit my bridge...or any other place where there is no combat.
I always turn on the visual when I beam down to away missions where I know there will be combat though.
Except for when you go on an away mission where you know you will be fighting and taking fire...
...though I guess you can headcannon that all starfleet officer uniforms are made the same way Blankman made his costume in that movie.
Armour is NOT starfleet issue
starfleet is not Halo "Wimp force"
...oh, you're one of those people.
My apologies for even replying to your post.
For instance...Mk III armor could select from the Mk I, II, or III design.
Therefore the highest ranking armor could select between all the different designs.
Would definitely be nice...but I can definitely understand that this isn't a real issue.
Yes a SANE person who does not want to look like an orbital drop suicide trooper
Remember no starfleet officer in ANY of the series ever strapped on a minigun and full battle armour
All the tv shows date before the year 2000...so having things in addition to everything the shows had is a good idea in my opinion.
You say you're sane...but you obviously have an insane notion that you're required to wear these things...which you are not.
There is absolutely no sane reason for you to get worked up over things that are optional.
You have the option to play how you like and others have the option to play how they like.
Any sane person could respect that.
EDIT: Except for Enterprise...my mistake.
they make you look Scared and well frankly like robo cops little brother robo warden
no one needs to wear them
and id rather no one could SEE them on others either
it makes you look silly in space dock armoured , glowing . carrying a mini gun
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just in things pretending to be star trek
stick to canon (Gene) Trek and we will get along fine
I think the reason for the asymmetry in the high-mark designs is to evoke the Starfleet arrowhead.
With that said, I usually turn off visuals on body armor. Although I don't "hate" the look, I feel they're generally more "Tron" than "Trek". I'd be much happier if they at least allowed you to display rank and badges on top of them.
I like the fact that the M.A.C.O. and Omega Force body armors actually look like their cosmetic counterparts now (and the M.A.C.O. at least has a generic Starfleet badge on it). I did enable visuals on EV suits so that my away team was visibly wearing them in the recent Romulan rep mission in the volcano.
Whether or not you've enabled armor visuals, an active EV suit (as in, one that's actually turned on) always overrides your current costume.
Gene Roddenberry was horrible for star trek. Go read a little about the restrictions he put on TNG and you will see why the first season or two were horrible.
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111003094460/memoryalpha/en/images/thumb/2/2d/Security_guard_tuc_1.jpg/479px-Security_guard_tuc_1.jpg
Yep, that's the body armor I was thinking of.
Fair enough. I don't believe you actually need to activate the EV suits until you're into the mission a bit (you get a warning from one of your officers). That's probably why I didn't see them at first, not active.
Being able to select the kit design you want.
I always had my kits showing during combat till I hit Admiral Rank...and then they just became ridiculously bulky.
Pretty much this: though for him, he has those objections to anything HE thinks isn't Star Trek... but his opinion isn't the end-all argument that makes us all automatically wrong.
And if you somehow manage to legitimately prove him wrong (like emperordeslok's pic of an actual ST armor), he won't respond and will just lurk for the next place to strike... which is the standard issue troll, something he won't consider, because it doesn't register.
He'll probably respond to this too, but I won't respond to that, because it'll go nowhere.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
True, I've gotten to the point I start to scroll past any post I see with that avatar.
Which quite often doesn't even match up with Canon ST lore in the first place.
and the avatar is shared by over 50 people
And exactly why is that? Clearly the Federation has had some sort of armor that it issues to people. This is Canon has been seen on screen in TMP, and it was written by Gene, so he had approved the concept.
So how can you claim that it doesn't count for much?
Worf got himself a nice AA missile launcher though. And the guy's on AR-558, apparently Starfleet's Squaddies, were wearing what looked like armour too. Not the kind of armour that we have in STO unfortunately, but it was standard issue based on the colouring and seemed pretty effective at protecting the wearer.
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Ground Armour
Worf not carrying heavy weapons
oh and there was this thing, mini guns although not starfleet ... hell of a weapon on that atv we don't have though, i'd trade armor visuals for that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GX-SYhzfaf0
because its a baseball vest
I mean literally a baseball vest
when technically Not a starfleet officer of course and its not a minigun
Enlisted Grunts not starfleet officers
no it was sensible (the in game stuff looks like it was designed by someone who watched too many Halo commercials)
True, he wasn't an SF Officer at the time but it looks like Starfleet gear. It even has one of those dumb technobabble names to go with it.
The enlisted guys are the ones that get things done. You can have as many officers as you like but someone has to do the donkey work, and it'll usually be Tommy.
He was also wearing what looked like Starfleet division colours so even if he wasn't Starfleet he was at least from a service that was close enough that they shared basic uniform designs and division colouring: it'd also make sense, even in Star Trek, that there would be actual protective equipment available for land forces. Happy thoughts and a head buried in the sand can only get you so far, after all.
You said nothing about in game armour, you said no one had ever worn full battle armour in any of the series yet the guy in the image looks like he's wearing battle dress.
True, he wasn't an SF Officer at the time but it looks like Starfleet gear. It even has one of those dumb technobabble names to go with it.
The enlisted guys are the ones that get things done. You can have as many officers as you like but someone has to do the donkey work, and it'll usually be Tommy.
He was also wearing what looked like Starfleet division colours so even if he wasn't Starfleet he was at least from a service that was close enough that they shared basic uniform designs and division colouring: it'd also make sense, even in Star Trek, that there would be actual protective equipment available for land forces. Happy thoughts and a head buried in the sand can only get you so far, after all.
You said nothing about in game armour, you said no one had ever worn full battle armour in any of the series yet the guy in the image looks like he's wearing battle dress.
I really liked the ARGO scene from Nemesis. Other than the Sovereign combat TRIBBLE towards the end it was the only decent part of the whole movie.
but it was definately NOT standard away team issue
yes armour for soldiers I have no problem with
but not for starfleet officers
looked like a basic flakie to me (and he was almost definately SFMC)
he is wearing a flakie (flak vest) bog standard for the police even today
NOT battle armour