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Asymmetrical Armor...why?

vitalityprimevitalityprime Member Posts: 65 Arc User
edited January 2013 in Federation Discussion
I really liked getting all the new armor for every rank I gained.

Every single time the design got better...in my opinion.

However...I get to level 40...and the armor suddenly becomes asymmetrical...as if the design was never completed.

Maybe I'm the only one...but I find the asymmetrical design to be worse.

I'm now at an unfortunate dilemma where I'm really thinking about keeping the lower tier armor equipped just for the look.

Anyone else feel the same way?
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  • hippiejonhippiejon Member Posts: 1,581 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    CAn't say this ever even occurred to me, because I've always turned off the armor visuals. I didn't design my nice Starfleet uniforms to be covered by the (my opinion) very ugly armor visuals in this game.
  • sollvaxsollvax Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    There is no excuse for a Star fleet officer to be wearing Armour anyway
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  • vitalityprimevitalityprime Member Posts: 65 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    hippiejon wrote: »
    CAn't say this ever even occurred to me, because I've always turned off the armor visuals. I didn't design my nice Starfleet uniforms to be covered by the (my opinion) very ugly armor visuals in this game.

    I can understand that.

    I always turn mine off when I go to ESD, Starfleet Academy, visit my bridge...or any other place where there is no combat.

    I always turn on the visual when I beam down to away missions where I know there will be combat though.
  • vitalityprimevitalityprime Member Posts: 65 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    sollvax wrote: »
    There is no excuse for a Star fleet officer to be wearing Armour anyway

    Except for when you go on an away mission where you know you will be fighting and taking fire...

    ...though I guess you can headcannon that all starfleet officer uniforms are made the same way Blankman made his costume in that movie.
  • sollvaxsollvax Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Hide behind a rock or something

    Armour is NOT starfleet issue
    starfleet is not Halo "Wimp force"
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  • vitalityprimevitalityprime Member Posts: 65 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    sollvax wrote: »
    Hide behind a rock or something

    Armour is NOT starfleet issue
    starfleet is not Halo "Wimp force"

    ...oh, you're one of those people.

    My apologies for even replying to your post.
  • vitalityprimevitalityprime Member Posts: 65 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    It would be nice if you could select between the different designs.

    For instance...Mk III armor could select from the Mk I, II, or III design.

    Therefore the highest ranking armor could select between all the different designs.

    Would definitely be nice...but I can definitely understand that this isn't a real issue.
  • sollvaxsollvax Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    ...oh, you're one of those people.

    My apologies for even replying to your post.

    Yes a SANE person who does not want to look like an orbital drop suicide trooper

    Remember no starfleet officer in ANY of the series ever strapped on a minigun and full battle armour
    Live long and Prosper
  • vitalityprimevitalityprime Member Posts: 65 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    sollvax wrote: »
    Yes a SANE person who does not want to look like an orbital drop suicide trooper

    Remember no starfleet officer in ANY of the series ever strapped on a minigun and full battle armour

    All the tv shows date before the year 2000...so having things in addition to everything the shows had is a good idea in my opinion.

    You say you're sane...but you obviously have an insane notion that you're required to wear these things...which you are not.

    There is absolutely no sane reason for you to get worked up over things that are optional.

    You have the option to play how you like and others have the option to play how they like.

    Any sane person could respect that.


    EDIT: Except for Enterprise...my mistake.
  • sollvaxsollvax Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    I don't wear them
    they make you look Scared and well frankly like robo cops little brother robo warden

    no one needs to wear them
    and id rather no one could SEE them on others either

    it makes you look silly in space dock armoured , glowing . carrying a mini gun
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  • zahinderzahinder Member Posts: 2,382 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Guys, just... don't talk to sollvax. Sollvax has silly and intricately contrived objections to pretty much all things Star Trek.
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  • sollvaxsollvax Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Nope not in star trek

    just in things pretending to be star trek

    stick to canon (Gene) Trek and we will get along fine
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  • mandoknight89mandoknight89 Member Posts: 1,687 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Never noticed that the armor designs change with Mk before...

    I think the reason for the asymmetry in the high-mark designs is to evoke the Starfleet arrowhead.
  • bberge1701bberge1701 Member Posts: 726 Bug Hunter
    edited January 2013
    I feel compelled to point out that Starfleet security officers in ST:TMP and the WoK-era movies did wear visible body armor. (Sorry, can't find a link to a picture at the moment.)

    With that said, I usually turn off visuals on body armor. Although I don't "hate" the look, I feel they're generally more "Tron" than "Trek". I'd be much happier if they at least allowed you to display rank and badges on top of them.

    I like the fact that the M.A.C.O. and Omega Force body armors actually look like their cosmetic counterparts now (and the M.A.C.O. at least has a generic Starfleet badge on it). I did enable visuals on EV suits so that my away team was visibly wearing them in the recent Romulan rep mission in the volcano.
  • mandoknight89mandoknight89 Member Posts: 1,687 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    bberge1701 wrote: »
    I did enable visuals on EV suits so that my away team was visibly wearing them in the recent Romulan rep mission in the volcano.

    Whether or not you've enabled armor visuals, an active EV suit (as in, one that's actually turned on) always overrides your current costume.
  • aaronh42aaronh42 Member Posts: 291 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    sollvax wrote: »
    stick to canon (Gene) Trek and we will get along fine

    Gene Roddenberry was horrible for star trek. Go read a little about the restrictions he put on TNG and you will see why the first season or two were horrible.
  • bberge1701bberge1701 Member Posts: 726 Bug Hunter
    edited January 2013

    Yep, that's the body armor I was thinking of.

    Whether or not you've enabled armor visuals, an active EV suit (as in, one that's actually turned on) always overrides your current costume.

    Fair enough. I don't believe you actually need to activate the EV suits until you're into the mission a bit (you get a warning from one of your officers). That's probably why I didn't see them at first, not active.
  • vitalityprimevitalityprime Member Posts: 65 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Would be nice to get the same option with the kits as well.

    Being able to select the kit design you want.

    I always had my kits showing during combat till I hit Admiral Rank...and then they just became ridiculously bulky.
  • sollvaxsollvax Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited January 2013
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  • trek21trek21 Member Posts: 2,246 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    zahinder wrote: »
    Guys, just... don't talk to sollvax. Sollvax has silly and intricately contrived objections to pretty much all things Star Trek.
    Tl;dr It's better not to respond to sollvax

    Pretty much this: though for him, he has those objections to anything HE thinks isn't Star Trek... but his opinion isn't the end-all argument that makes us all automatically wrong.

    And if you somehow manage to legitimately prove him wrong (like emperordeslok's pic of an actual ST armor), he won't respond and will just lurk for the next place to strike... which is the standard issue troll, something he won't consider, because it doesn't register.

    He'll probably respond to this too, but I won't respond to that, because it'll go nowhere.
    Was named Trek17.

    Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
  • cptvanorcptvanor Member Posts: 274 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    trek21 wrote: »
    Tl;dr It's better not to respond to sollvax

    True, I've gotten to the point I start to scroll past any post I see with that avatar.
    Pretty much this: though for him, he has those objections to anything HE thinks isn't Star Trek...

    Which quite often doesn't even match up with Canon ST lore in the first place.
  • sollvaxsollvax Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    The security guys in baseball armour do not actually count for much

    and the avatar is shared by over 50 people
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  • cptvanorcptvanor Member Posts: 274 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    sollvax wrote: »
    The security guys in baseball armour do not actually count for much.

    And exactly why is that? Clearly the Federation has had some sort of armor that it issues to people. This is Canon has been seen on screen in TMP, and it was written by Gene, so he had approved the concept.

    So how can you claim that it doesn't count for much?
  • mwgacy1mwgacy1 Member Posts: 132 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    sollvax wrote: »
    Yes a SANE person who does not want to look like an orbital drop suicide trooper

    Remember no starfleet officer in ANY of the series ever strapped on a minigun and full battle armour

    Worf got himself a nice AA missile launcher though. And the guy's on AR-558, apparently Starfleet's Squaddies, were wearing what looked like armour too. Not the kind of armour that we have in STO unfortunately, but it was standard issue based on the colouring and seemed pretty effective at protecting the wearer.

    Edit to Add:

    Ground Armour

    Worf not carrying heavy weapons
  • emperordeslokemperordeslok Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    mwgacy1 wrote: »
    Worf got himself a nice AA missile launcher though. And the guy's on AR-558, apparently Starfleet's Squaddies, were wearing what looked like armour too. Not the kind of armour that we have in STO unfortunately, but it was standard issue based on the colouring and seemed pretty effective at protecting the wearer.

    Edit to Add:

    Ground Armour

    Worf not carrying heavy weapons

    oh and there was this thing, mini guns although not starfleet ... hell of a weapon on that atv we don't have though, i'd trade armor visuals for that
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GX-SYhzfaf0
  • sollvaxsollvax Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by sollvax
    The security guys in baseball armour do not actually count for much.

    And exactly why is that? Clearly the Federation has had some sort of armor that it issues to people. This is Canon has been seen on screen in TMP, and it was written by Gene, so he had approved the concept.

    So how can you claim that it doesn't count for much?

    because its a baseball vest
    I mean literally a baseball vest


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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by sollvax
    Yes a SANE person who does not want to look like an orbital drop suicide trooper

    Remember no starfleet officer in ANY of the series ever strapped on a minigun and full battle armour

    Worf got himself a nice AA missile launcher though.

    when technically Not a starfleet officer of course and its not a minigun
    And the guy's on AR-558, apparently Starfleet's Squaddies, were wearing what looked like armour too.

    Enlisted Grunts not starfleet officers
    Not the kind of armour that we have in STO unfortunately, but it was standard issue based on the colouring and seemed pretty effective at protecting the wearer.

    Edit to Add:

    no it was sensible (the in game stuff looks like it was designed by someone who watched too many Halo commercials)
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  • mwgacy1mwgacy1 Member Posts: 132 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    sollvax wrote:
    when technically Not a starfleet officer of course and its not a minigun

    True, he wasn't an SF Officer at the time but it looks like Starfleet gear. It even has one of those dumb technobabble names to go with it.
    sollvax wrote:
    Enlisted Grunts not starfleet officers

    The enlisted guys are the ones that get things done. You can have as many officers as you like but someone has to do the donkey work, and it'll usually be Tommy.
    He was also wearing what looked like Starfleet division colours so even if he wasn't Starfleet he was at least from a service that was close enough that they shared basic uniform designs and division colouring: it'd also make sense, even in Star Trek, that there would be actual protective equipment available for land forces. Happy thoughts and a head buried in the sand can only get you so far, after all.
    sollvax wrote:
    no it was sensible (the in game stuff looks like it was designed by someone who watched too many Halo commercials)

    You said nothing about in game armour, you said no one had ever worn full battle armour in any of the series yet the guy in the image looks like he's wearing battle dress.
  • mwgacy1mwgacy1 Member Posts: 132 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    sollvax wrote:
    when technically Not a starfleet officer of course and its not a minigun

    True, he wasn't an SF Officer at the time but it looks like Starfleet gear. It even has one of those dumb technobabble names to go with it.
    sollvax wrote:
    Enlisted Grunts not starfleet officers

    The enlisted guys are the ones that get things done. You can have as many officers as you like but someone has to do the donkey work, and it'll usually be Tommy.
    He was also wearing what looked like Starfleet division colours so even if he wasn't Starfleet he was at least from a service that was close enough that they shared basic uniform designs and division colouring: it'd also make sense, even in Star Trek, that there would be actual protective equipment available for land forces. Happy thoughts and a head buried in the sand can only get you so far, after all.
    sollvax wrote:
    no it was sensible (the in game stuff looks like it was designed by someone who watched too many Halo commercials)

    You said nothing about in game armour, you said no one had ever worn full battle armour in any of the series yet the guy in the image looks like he's wearing battle dress.
    oh and there was this thing, mini guns although not starfleet ... hell of a weapon on that atv we don't have though, i'd trade armor visuals for that

    I really liked the ARGO scene from Nemesis. Other than the Sovereign combat TRIBBLE towards the end it was the only decent part of the whole movie.
  • sollvaxsollvax Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited January 2013
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    te:
    Originally Posted by sollvax
    when technically Not a starfleet officer of course and its not a minigun

    True, he wasn't an SF Officer at the time but it looks like Starfleet gear. It even has one of those dumb technobabble names to go with it.

    but it was definately NOT standard away team issue

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by sollvax
    Enlisted Grunts not starfleet officers

    The enlisted guys are the ones that get things done. You can have as many officers as you like but someone has to do the donkey work, and it'll usually be Tommy.

    yes armour for soldiers I have no problem with
    but not for starfleet officers
    He was also wearing what looked like Starfleet division colours so even if he wasn't Starfleet he was at least from a service that was close enough that they shared basic uniform designs and division colouring: it'd also make sense, even in Star Trek, that there would be actual protective equipment available for land forces. Happy thoughts and a head buried in the sand can only get you so far, after all.
    looked like a basic flakie to me (and he was almost definately SFMC)

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by sollvax
    no it was sensible (the in game stuff looks like it was designed by someone who watched too many Halo commercials)

    You said nothing about in game armour, you said no one had ever worn full battle armour in any of the series yet the guy in the image looks like he's wearing battle dress.
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    he is wearing a flakie (flak vest) bog standard for the police even today
    NOT battle armour
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