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omeganights84
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Having fought against every type of enemy in the game a number of times, I am quite frustrated with my repeated failures against the Tholians, both in space and on the ground.
In space (specifically Tholian Red Alerts), I don't even know what's going on half the time. I zone in, find myself in a web within moments, try to take out the web nodes but can never seem to stop the web from crushing me. So I respawn, start clearing out the little guys and before I know it I'm in a damn web again. Crush. Death. Respawn. I try going after the big guys, and it goes well for a bit, but the minute I draw the hate of the fleet commander he drops me like a bad habit.
Concerning my space build, I am an Eng Captain piloting a D'Kora with all Polaron weaponry. I'm still working on both Romulan and Omega Rep so at the moment I'm using the Jem'Hadar shield and engine along with a Very Rare Mk XII Positron Deflector [EM][SIF][InC], since the J'H Deflector does nothing for me and you only need 2 set pieces to get the Polaron damage boost.
My space abilities are:
Tactical: TT1, C:SV1, C:SV2, Torp Spread 1
Engineering: EPtS1, EPtS2, EPtW1, RSP1, ET3, EWP3
Science: HE1, TSS2
My space Doffs are not fantastic, but I think they're at least passable:
Rare Maintenance Engineer (-6 seconds ET cooldown)
Uncommon Maintenance Engineer (-4 seconds ET cooldown)
Uncommon Warp Core Engineer (20% to give +15 power with EPtX)
Very Rare Matter-Antimatter Specialist (25% to immobilize for 3 seconds with EWP)
Rare Shield Distribution Officer (40% to regen shields with Brace for Impact)
On the ground (specifically on New Romulus, not so much Nukara), I keep getting mine nuked while being trapped inside mini-webs. Even if I manage to survive the mine nuke (destroying it before it goes off, getting out of the huge explosion radius), I survive it alone. All of my Boffs seem to adore that yellow glow, as they have NEVER moved away from it or even attacked it. They just huddle around it like it's a damn campfire.
For my ground build, I use Rare Sonic Dual Pistols against Tholians along with the J'H shield and armor (don't have better yet and I like the emergency shroud). I always use the Fabrication Kit with the Mortar, Turret, Drone and Medical Generator. Yet even with 2 drones, 3 stationary fabrications, 3 Boffs and the Shard of Possibilities keeping the web drones occupied, I'm still being wiped with unsettling regularity.
If anyone can offer me some pointers, whether focused on my builds or just the Tholians themselves, I would very much appreciate it. I also realize that combat with Tholians is relatively rare compared to many other enemies (ie Borg), but they're the only enemies I really have any trouble with, and it has finally reached a boiling point.
In space (specifically Tholian Red Alerts), I don't even know what's going on half the time. I zone in, find myself in a web within moments, try to take out the web nodes but can never seem to stop the web from crushing me. So I respawn, start clearing out the little guys and before I know it I'm in a damn web again. Crush. Death. Respawn. I try going after the big guys, and it goes well for a bit, but the minute I draw the hate of the fleet commander he drops me like a bad habit.
Concerning my space build, I am an Eng Captain piloting a D'Kora with all Polaron weaponry. I'm still working on both Romulan and Omega Rep so at the moment I'm using the Jem'Hadar shield and engine along with a Very Rare Mk XII Positron Deflector [EM][SIF][InC], since the J'H Deflector does nothing for me and you only need 2 set pieces to get the Polaron damage boost.
My space abilities are:
Tactical: TT1, C:SV1, C:SV2, Torp Spread 1
Engineering: EPtS1, EPtS2, EPtW1, RSP1, ET3, EWP3
Science: HE1, TSS2
My space Doffs are not fantastic, but I think they're at least passable:
Rare Maintenance Engineer (-6 seconds ET cooldown)
Uncommon Maintenance Engineer (-4 seconds ET cooldown)
Uncommon Warp Core Engineer (20% to give +15 power with EPtX)
Very Rare Matter-Antimatter Specialist (25% to immobilize for 3 seconds with EWP)
Rare Shield Distribution Officer (40% to regen shields with Brace for Impact)
On the ground (specifically on New Romulus, not so much Nukara), I keep getting mine nuked while being trapped inside mini-webs. Even if I manage to survive the mine nuke (destroying it before it goes off, getting out of the huge explosion radius), I survive it alone. All of my Boffs seem to adore that yellow glow, as they have NEVER moved away from it or even attacked it. They just huddle around it like it's a damn campfire.
For my ground build, I use Rare Sonic Dual Pistols against Tholians along with the J'H shield and armor (don't have better yet and I like the emergency shroud). I always use the Fabrication Kit with the Mortar, Turret, Drone and Medical Generator. Yet even with 2 drones, 3 stationary fabrications, 3 Boffs and the Shard of Possibilities keeping the web drones occupied, I'm still being wiped with unsettling regularity.
If anyone can offer me some pointers, whether focused on my builds or just the Tholians themselves, I would very much appreciate it. I also realize that combat with Tholians is relatively rare compared to many other enemies (ie Borg), but they're the only enemies I really have any trouble with, and it has finally reached a boiling point.
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Well, that will certainly help... no wonder I kept getting crushed, I was playing right into their hands (or whatever their upper appendages can be called).
Also something I was unaware of... I thought they used Tetryon on the ground like they do in space. Perhaps this is why I was having far less problems fighting them on Nukara, since I had no choice but to wear an Environmental Suit.
Thanks guys, I will try these suggestions out next time I encounter those cursed crystal crabs.
Except the Red Alerts... every time I've made it into one, it has been me and one or two other players. That just isn't doable. Being outnumbered fifty to one isn't much fun.
But on the ground they are constantly swatting me.
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Being introduced to the CC madness known as the Tholians.
That's for space.
On the ground, wear an EV suit against them, even if you don't need it for the environment.
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No. Never go after the Tarantulas while their support craft are alive. Each one has 600k hp. Take out their support craft (the plethora of orb weavers and recluses), THEN kill the Tarantulas. Best way to do it is have a cruiser aggro those two ships, and then draw them off while the rest of the group kills the rest of the fleet. Then you kill the Tarantulas one at a time. Then you slaughter the support fleets and call it a day.
I'm not enjoying how a heavy I thermionic torpedo deals over 10K damage... and they happen frequently. Also, why are recluse tetryon arrays dealing kinetic damage... Do they have amped up reputation skills too or is that just a trait of their ridiculous equipment/abilities? Lately, they've been hitting me with aux offline, too. I guess that's to nerf the ships that use aux for weapon power.
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It's a bit annoying how quickly enemy ships can chew their way out of my own Weaver's webs compared to me escaping from an NPC one, though :rolleyes:
Best defense for those web is FAW, you'll destroy one in no time providing they don't shut down you're weapons with those torp.
For the most part I just repeated what other said, don't attack capital ship right away or you'll die a lot without been able to finish it. Take care of all the little one first and you should be all right. Also you are always 5, the map is so big you will loose other on the other side, its big enough to loose a battle group, I know we lost one because we couldn't find the last group in time after capital ships.
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Are you crouching? That alone will cut your incoming damage by about half. Aiming will increase your damage to kill them faster which means less time they have to kill you. I recommend bursting them down; use any damage increasing abilities you have (Tricorder Scan, Target Optics, etc), use a large energy cell, get up in their faces and blasting them with a secondary shot from a pulsewave assault. They usually die in one hit, even the big ones, but if they don't, they can't survive the second shot.
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If you do find a web forming around you, stop moving. Go up to any one web node and shoot it which will release 1 web panel, then fly through it with ease. You will get out of the web before it collapses. The web takes a few seconds longer to collapse than it takes you to do these steps. You'll find it collapses after you have escaped.
For me it's fun to use GW3 to stop a bunch of ships in their tracks and then form a web around them. Repulsors and tractor beams work great against their fighters.
Don't fly to the center of the attack. Fly off to the side and destroy the Tholians a few ships at a time.