I quit doing STFs when I unlocked tier one of the Rep. system. I'm now half way through tier 4, and by my calculation I have enough marks left to get me well into tier 5. I don't see how Borg marks are hard to get I really don't.
I don't see how Borg marks are hard to get I really don't.
It depends entirely on if the particular person is into grinding out a billion STFs in a short time, or isn't. People who do tons of STFs think that Omega's easy & Rom marks come too slow. People who don't do tons of STFs find Rom marks much easier to get (since the Rom ground & solo space stuff is a heck of a lot faster than Defera ground missions).
tl;dr - it's a perspective thing :P
Me, I haven't tried an STF yet... (my ship isn't geared enough - it's not even all blue XI; and I'm uncertain of my ability/etc. Need to study more walkthroughs), and I've not tried many of the Borg sector defense missions - mostly because half the ones I've been in have failed, which makes it seem like a huge waste of time for 10 marks. So, just some Defera ground missions. Rom side, I'm 1/3rd into tier 4, built the Reman space set, & 1200+ marks; Omega, I'm just into Tier 2, built nothing, and 22 marks. To me, Rom marks are much easier to get. But this isn't typical, and is entirely dependant on my current playstyle. /shrug
^^ I get what your saying I do but you don't have to do that many ESTFs to get enough marks for all 5 tiers. One or two a week is really all that is needed. And as for needing good gear I do them with free gear I got from mission rewards and an aegis set.
It depends entirely on if the particular person is into grinding out a billion STFs in a short time, or isn't. People who do tons of STFs think that Omega's easy & Rom marks come too slow. People who don't do tons of STFs find Rom marks much easier to get (since the Rom ground & solo space stuff is a heck of a lot faster than Defera ground missions).
tl;dr - it's a perspective thing :P
Me, I haven't tried an STF yet... (my ship isn't geared enough - it's not even all blue XI; and I'm uncertain of my ability/etc. Need to study more walkthroughs), and I've not tried many of the Borg sector defense missions - mostly because half the ones I've been in have failed, which makes it seem like a huge waste of time for 10 marks. So, just some Defera ground missions. Rom side, I'm 1/3rd into tier 4, built the Reman space set, & 1200+ marks; Omega, I'm just into Tier 2, built nothing, and 22 marks. To me, Rom marks are much easier to get. But this isn't typical, and is entirely dependant on my current playstyle. /shrug
It depends entirely on if the particular person is into grinding out a billion STFs in a short time, or isn't. People who do tons of STFs think that Omega's easy & Rom marks come too slow. People who don't do tons of STFs find Rom marks much easier to get (since the Rom ground & solo space stuff is a heck of a lot faster than Defera ground missions).
tl;dr - it's a perspective thing :P
Me, I haven't tried an STF yet... (my ship isn't geared enough - it's not even all blue XI; and I'm uncertain of my ability/etc. Need to study more walkthroughs), and I've not tried many of the Borg sector defense missions - mostly because half the ones I've been in have failed, which makes it seem like a huge waste of time for 10 marks. So, just some Defera ground missions. Rom side, I'm 1/3rd into tier 4, built the Reman space set, & 1200+ marks; Omega, I'm just into Tier 2, built nothing, and 22 marks. To me, Rom marks are much easier to get. But this isn't typical, and is entirely dependant on my current playstyle. /shrug
At that point, don't do Elite STFs, do normal ones. You will still get plenty of Marks, and those pretty much never fail so your gear isn't as much of an issue. Worst case scenario just do the non-elite "Infected - the conduit" (after reading a tutorial on it) - that one is literally impossible to fail.
I remember the same arguments from WoW - "what do you need raid gear if you're not going to raid?"
And the answers come back the same, every time..... better gear lets you do everything better. That dude who blows past you in a "kill 40 cultists in Storm Peaks" daily? He can do that because he's got twice your dps. Which means he has more time to do the things he wants to, because he can get through the "chores" quicker.
Ditto here - Borg space engines? Faster travel in sector space, which means doing everything in the game faster. Better shields, guns, consoles? Same thing.
(Heck, look at any guide to the "Tour The Universe" event - first step in them is "get the Borg engines". That's not an STF.)
The guys saying "dilithium's easy to get, I cap out my 8k in under an hour a day"... bet they have awesome gear, so they can chew through the Klingon defense missions, or the Fleet Action daily, or any of the other combat stuff a heck of a lot faster & easier then the newbie rocking mk 10 greens.
And then there's the cosmetic factor. Why does everyone want raid gear in WoW even if they don't raid? Giant spiked flaming shoulderpads, and 12 foot long swords made of glowing crystals and skulls. First reason I ever wanted to get my hands on Borg stuff? Because I'd spent all my leveling time surrounded by ships with crazy glowing deflector claws & hull growths. Just looked so freakin' cool . STFs? Could care less - nifty shiny aesthetic stuff? Oh, yeah!
And then there's the cosmetic factor. Why does everyone want raid gear in WoW even if they don't raid? Giant spiked flaming shoulderpads, and 12 foot long swords made of glowing crystals and skulls. First reason I ever wanted to get my hands on Borg stuff? Because I'd spent all my leveling time surrounded by ships with crazy glowing deflector claws & hull growths. Just looked so freakin' cool . STFs? Could care less - nifty shiny aesthetic stuff? Oh, yeah!
For this reason alone I am very happy with S7. The ground missions were such a huge PITA, I never got into them enough to get the Mk XII sets. Now I at least have a chance at it.
^^ I get what your saying I do but you don't have to do that many ESTFs to get enough marks for all 5 tiers. One or two a week is really all that is needed. And as for needing good gear I do them with free gear I got from mission rewards and an aegis set.
The Tiers are easy.
The stuff is way overpriced.
375 Omega Marks for 1 part of a 3 piece armor set!?
That's 5 STFs!
(More like 6 with current PUG rates)
The grind was why they fixed them again in the first place. LESS grind!
OR remove the STF cool down so we can play whenever we want to.
375 Omega Marks for 1 part of a 3 piece armor set!?
I'll be more worried about the Dilithium cost than the cost of Omega Marks. Omega Marks are far more easier to earn than the Romulan ones - Heck we all can agree that the hardest Mark to earn are the FLEET MARKS, now those are the toughest.
The grind was why they fixed them again in the first place. LESS grind!
Talk about irony, in a game that is focus on nothing but Grind we desire less Grind. Trust me there is nobody in this forum that desire less Grind than I do, afterall I have 50+ toons to contend with.
OR remove the STF cool down so we can play whenever we want to.
Not a bad idea, but CRYPTIC won't do it, not if the STFs still have a Dilithium count attached to it. Afterall; it was their desire to make Dilithium a bit harder to obtain by spreading it throughout different aspects of the game.
375 Omega Marks for 1 part of a 3 piece armor set!?
That's 5 STFs!
(More like 6 with current PUG rates)
The grind was why they fixed them again in the first place. LESS grind!
OR remove the STF cool down so we can play whenever we want to.
My Fleet mates don't do STFs so I do them with PUGs. Maybe I've got better luck then everyone else when it comes to PUGs but in the ESTFs I've done I can only think of a few complete failures. We don't always get the optional, but completion feels almost guaranteed at the start. So to me 6 runs isn't that much.
For this reason alone I am very happy with S7. The ground missions were such a huge PITA, I never got into them enough to get the Mk XII sets. Now I at least have a chance at it.
good luck with that, the store says you need to complete all of the ground optionals before you can buy the ground gear. Except nobody has much reason to run them.
good luck with that, the store says you need to complete all of the ground optionals before you can buy the ground gear. Except nobody has much reason to run them.
They do now
At least we can make that a fleet project to work on. Before S7 it was just not going to happen, no matter what.
good luck with that, the store says you need to complete all of the ground optionals before you can buy the ground gear. Except nobody has much reason to run them.
Actually that's just for the costume unlocks on the Type 3's.
I don't know if I will need costume unlocks as I'll just outfit my ground crew with the actual armor, shields and weapon.
If I need a costume unlock I'll just do the Type 1,2 or 4.
good luck with that, the store says you need to complete all of the ground optionals before you can buy the ground gear. Except nobody has much reason to run them.
Thats completely false - You do not need to do the optionals to obtain Mk XII Ground Gear. However; You do need to do all the optionals if you want the extra elite accessories unlocked at the tailor.
Accesories such as:
Shoulder Pads & Gloves etc...
You still get the Ground Mk XII look at the tailor for free, but for the small extras, you need to fulfill all optionals.
Recommendation:
Join a Fleet or befriend folks from STF Fleets - they are out there
Also learn by practicing the trigger points when doing Ground STF, that way you can join in EliteSTF Chat and get custom team mates there.
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I got So many Omegas i think nothing of burning a few hundard to make up for a dil shortfall
Now Rom marks, before the Christmas event,took a hour so just get enough for the daily project, let along enough for a gear upgrade
I have over 10,000 Omega marks without a concerted effort. Swimming in them. When I've gotten my T5 store stuff... hellooooo dilithium.
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It depends entirely on if the particular person is into grinding out a billion STFs in a short time, or isn't. People who do tons of STFs think that Omega's easy & Rom marks come too slow. People who don't do tons of STFs find Rom marks much easier to get (since the Rom ground & solo space stuff is a heck of a lot faster than Defera ground missions).
tl;dr - it's a perspective thing :P
Me, I haven't tried an STF yet... (my ship isn't geared enough - it's not even all blue XI; and I'm uncertain of my ability/etc. Need to study more walkthroughs), and I've not tried many of the Borg sector defense missions - mostly because half the ones I've been in have failed, which makes it seem like a huge waste of time for 10 marks. So, just some Defera ground missions. Rom side, I'm 1/3rd into tier 4, built the Reman space set, & 1200+ marks; Omega, I'm just into Tier 2, built nothing, and 22 marks. To me, Rom marks are much easier to get. But this isn't typical, and is entirely dependant on my current playstyle. /shrug
the Gear and Passives are for STF's
if you dont do them, then you dont need them
At that point, don't do Elite STFs, do normal ones. You will still get plenty of Marks, and those pretty much never fail so your gear isn't as much of an issue. Worst case scenario just do the non-elite "Infected - the conduit" (after reading a tutorial on it) - that one is literally impossible to fail.
I remember the same arguments from WoW - "what do you need raid gear if you're not going to raid?"
And the answers come back the same, every time..... better gear lets you do everything better. That dude who blows past you in a "kill 40 cultists in Storm Peaks" daily? He can do that because he's got twice your dps. Which means he has more time to do the things he wants to, because he can get through the "chores" quicker.
Ditto here - Borg space engines? Faster travel in sector space, which means doing everything in the game faster. Better shields, guns, consoles? Same thing.
(Heck, look at any guide to the "Tour The Universe" event - first step in them is "get the Borg engines". That's not an STF.)
The guys saying "dilithium's easy to get, I cap out my 8k in under an hour a day"... bet they have awesome gear, so they can chew through the Klingon defense missions, or the Fleet Action daily, or any of the other combat stuff a heck of a lot faster & easier then the newbie rocking mk 10 greens.
And then there's the cosmetic factor. Why does everyone want raid gear in WoW even if they don't raid? Giant spiked flaming shoulderpads, and 12 foot long swords made of glowing crystals and skulls. First reason I ever wanted to get my hands on Borg stuff? Because I'd spent all my leveling time surrounded by ships with crazy glowing deflector claws & hull growths. Just looked so freakin' cool . STFs? Could care less - nifty shiny aesthetic stuff? Oh, yeah!
This is the only reason I began doing STFs.
For this reason alone I am very happy with S7. The ground missions were such a huge PITA, I never got into them enough to get the Mk XII sets. Now I at least have a chance at it.
The Tiers are easy.
The stuff is way overpriced.
375 Omega Marks for 1 part of a 3 piece armor set!?
That's 5 STFs!
(More like 6 with current PUG rates)
The grind was why they fixed them again in the first place. LESS grind!
OR remove the STF cool down so we can play whenever we want to.
I'll be more worried about the Dilithium cost than the cost of Omega Marks. Omega Marks are far more easier to earn than the Romulan ones - Heck we all can agree that the hardest Mark to earn are the FLEET MARKS, now those are the toughest.
Wait, you are complaining about doing 5 STFs? :eek:
Compared to the previous system (Which I liked) where you could run up to 100 STFs and never net a Prototype.
I take the 5 runs anytime. - Omega Marks are far cheaper and easier to obtain than any other mark in the game.
Can't say much for PUGS, PUGS are PUGS nuff said. Just have to get lucky in a random PUG group or join a Fleet that specialize in nothing but STFs.
Talk about irony, in a game that is focus on nothing but Grind we desire less Grind. Trust me there is nobody in this forum that desire less Grind than I do, afterall I have 50+ toons to contend with.
Not a bad idea, but CRYPTIC won't do it, not if the STFs still have a Dilithium count attached to it. Afterall; it was their desire to make Dilithium a bit harder to obtain by spreading it throughout different aspects of the game.
My Fleet mates don't do STFs so I do them with PUGs. Maybe I've got better luck then everyone else when it comes to PUGs but in the ESTFs I've done I can only think of a few complete failures. We don't always get the optional, but completion feels almost guaranteed at the start. So to me 6 runs isn't that much.
good luck with that, the store says you need to complete all of the ground optionals before you can buy the ground gear. Except nobody has much reason to run them.
At least we can make that a fleet project to work on. Before S7 it was just not going to happen, no matter what.
Actually that's just for the costume unlocks on the Type 3's.
I don't know if I will need costume unlocks as I'll just outfit my ground crew with the actual armor, shields and weapon.
If I need a costume unlock I'll just do the Type 1,2 or 4.
Thats completely false - You do not need to do the optionals to obtain Mk XII Ground Gear. However; You do need to do all the optionals if you want the extra elite accessories unlocked at the tailor.
Accesories such as:
Shoulder Pads & Gloves etc...
You still get the Ground Mk XII look at the tailor for free, but for the small extras, you need to fulfill all optionals.
Recommendation:
Join a Fleet or befriend folks from STF Fleets - they are out there
Also learn by practicing the trigger points when doing Ground STF, that way you can join in EliteSTF Chat and get custom team mates there.