So I've just unlocked the Romulan rep store with Beam arrays XII. I was expecting to pay Romulan Marks and Dilithium in amount of 10k. What do I get?
28540 dilithium for EACH beam array, that is no better than Pre season 7 Borg weapons. Seriously what the hell? This season is supposed to be easier for casuals. Am I the only one who thinks this is severly overpriced? Thank god I got my MK XII weapons before season 7 or I'll be crying in a corner by now
You are right they are horribly overpriced and this is why:
Cryptic set the prices using the current dilithium store as a precedent. However this store was always so massivly overpriced that no one EVER used it to buy weapons, making it a really BAD precedent.
They are unlikely to care though. They want it to take you forever to grind a full set of weapons. What confuses me is this makes sense if we all paid a subscription but making people play longer (read: grind more) doesn't really make sense in a F2P model. Especially when the lack of affordable, quality items in the z-store destroys the concept of impulse buying.
So I've just unlocked the Romulan rep store with Beam arrays XII. I was expecting to pay Romulan Marks and Dilithium in amount of 10k. What do I get?
28540 dilithium for EACH beam array, that is no better than Pre season 7 Borg weapons. Seriously what the hell? This season is supposed to be easier for casuals. Am I the only one who thinks this is severly overpriced? Thank god I got my MK XII weapons before season 7 or I'll be crying in a corner by now
I fitted my ship in full Romulan weapons, I wouldn't have been able to do it if it was Romulan Marks. Dilithium is a lot easier to come by then Romulan marks.
They are unlikely to care though. They want it to take you forever to grind a full set of weapons. What confuses me is this makes sense if we all paid a subscription but making people play longer (read: grind more) doesn't really make sense in a F2P model. Especially when the lack of affordable, quality items in the z-store destroys the concept of impulse buying.
The point is that you buy zen to convert to dilithium. This is the same model every F2P in existance uses. You either spend the time, or you spend a dime.
It takes a person 3.5 days of playing ~2 hours a day to earn enough dilithium to get one of these weapons, and that's assuming they only have one character. So maybe 5-6 hours a weapon, at the high end. It's not exactly a huge cost.
I decided to go with Polarized Disruptors Mk XII on my Aventine. I think the Beam Arrays were around 500k EC on the exchange, the turrets are currently around 2,4 million EC (I was checking them out for a possible Breen build). Everyone has resistance to plasma. Of course, this means that I also won't get any further parts of the Romulan console/weapon set. In fact I don't need any of their equipment beside the console. The only things worth unlocking are the abilities. High density beam rifle? TRIBBLE. Wide beam pistol? Can get a polarized disruptor one cheaply from the exchange. Assault weapon? Meh, I prefer full auto rifles for the looks. Flamethrower? Sure, as soon as you manage to put a stun setting on that.......
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I honestly didn't notice. If they do it's a very slight hue difference not worthy of mention.
I got too curious so I went ahead and bought one. It's a warm green colour, here's a pic where I fire both it and a regular plasma beam at the same time. I'm a sucker for these kinds of things so I'm pleased, plus the disruptor proc is pretty nice with fighters.
I got too curious so I went ahead and bought one. It's a warm green colour, here's a pic where I fire both it and a regular plasma beam at the same time. I'm a sucker for these kinds of things so I'm pleased, plus the disruptor proc is pretty nice with fighters.
So its basically the color of a disruptor?
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Almost 30K/weapon ? Wow that's crazy. The ground gun are at 15K, and we need only one. A ship need up to 8 weapons (240K dil). Maybe less dil and some marks ?
See that other ship in the picture firing a green beam at the nanite generator -- that's disruptor, no? Light green, closer to yellow than blue whereas this one looks to be a warm green still on blue's side of the spectrum but much less so than the cyan of regular plasma. Then again, maybe that other ship isn't firing a disruptor but something else entirely; I seriously don't remember what disruptors look like, but I'll have to keep an eye on it.
Edit: Had to test it out, here's a pic of all three side by side. It's "clearly" different. :P
I only need 5 for my ship so that's 142700 dilithium. That's about two and a half weeks worth of dilithium. Indeed pricey, but mkxii plasma/disrupter [acc2] weapons...hard to pass up.
Comparing this Romulan beam arrays to Borg Antiproton; Should I go for romulan? I like the idea of disruptor+plasma proc and with the romulan set it should be quite good. Does Reman set also offer some bonuses?
Comparing this Romulan beam arrays to Borg Antiproton; Should I go for romulan? I like the idea of disruptor+plasma proc and with the romulan set it should be quite good. Does Reman set also offer some bonuses?
Btw I'm an engineer in a cruiser
Only if you use the roluman set to get a small but required boost to plasma damage.
I know you can't get them anymore. I already have them from previous season. Just wondering if the new romulan beam arrays combined with romulan and (optionally) reman set are superior to AP borg beam arrays
I know you can't get them anymore. I already have them from previous season. Just wondering if the new romulan beam arrays combined with romulan and (optionally) reman set are superior to AP borg beam arrays
Well, part of the reason they took the Borg weapons out was because the procs didn't work.
So... Ignore the [Borg] mod and I'd say the Romulan weapons ARE better.
See that other ship in the picture firing a green beam at the nanite generator -- that's disruptor, no? Light green, closer to yellow than blue whereas this one looks to be a warm green still on blue's side of the spectrum but much less so than the cyan of regular plasma. Then again, maybe that other ship isn't firing a disruptor but something else entirely; I seriously don't remember what disruptors look like, but I'll have to keep an eye on it.
Edit: Had to test it out, here's a pic of all three side by side. It's "clearly" different. :P
I had a "really?" post back when I unlocked the Mk XI in the store and saw the prices. I had to loll thinking about somebody buying non-Mk XII (even the other gear) - because they'd be at Mk XII before they finished buying all the non-Mk XII.
When they cut the time to get to each tier in half, they didn't touch the prices...
They might have been high when it took twice as long, but you'd have had twice as long to get the lower stuff and use it before you got to the higher stuff.
If it still took twice as long to get to the higher tiers, you'd have the Dil (and Marks) for the gear.
It doesn't... so the prices are just "really?" on everything.
I know you can't get them anymore. I already have them from previous season. Just wondering if the new romulan beam arrays combined with romulan and (optionally) reman set are superior to AP borg beam arrays
The reman set won't help.
It's a valid but expensive option with at least two parts of the new romulan set (the one with the console, the unique plasma beam and plasma torp). Not a great choice for a tac to say the least, but it's fine for engs or even scis on boats with a low turnrate. The console and the special beam are completely pointless for tacs; i'd advise to choose the borg set instead (two parts only with the cutting beam and the torp).
It should be slithgly superior to the old borg stuff but don't expect a huge change.
I fitted my ship in full Romulan weapons, I wouldn't have been able to do it if it was Romulan Marks. Dilithium is a lot easier to come by then Romulan marks.
I find just the opposite, especially now that the winter eppohs can be traded in for 100-200 marks each.
Hell, I use that turn 50 marks into dilithium mission at least twice a day because its one of my best sources for dil.
The disruptor proc makes the romulan weapons basically super cheap to tac console disruptors. Against players they arnt gonna be good till you get the MK XI or XII sci consoles from the embassy, once you add the romulan console set bonus and the sci plasma bonus, things may turn out even against stf shields compared to other weapon types.
Against NPC's the romulan weapons are hilarious once the disruptor proc goes off. Mildly specked into particle with no embassy sci consoled and I tick for 120 per second on plasma burn. Thats going to go up a lot once I get my sci consoles in a week or two.
they are a little steep but not that far off from other MK XII If you count getting to the weapons in fleet. If you just ride your fleet those are much cheaper dil wise.
I'm loving the Romulan gear. I don't mind the price because its good to have something to earn. 28k Dil, for me, is Stf's with my fleet or even pugs. Some PvP, doffing, and dailies.
I really think Romulan space weapons should require some marks, instead of just being pure dilithium. Maybe that could lower the cost.
Agreed. I'd like that as well. Makes a bit more sense. I mean, fleet gear needs fleet credits to buy, and usually dil too.
Having it cost Rom marks and lowering the needed dil would make it more 'on par' with fleet equipment. You'd still have to grind for it, but you could grind like Elite STFs and get both dil and Omega Marks for example.
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Well buy anti-proton weapons from the exchange then...
I recently made a character that hasn't touched the rep system.
I bought cheap weapons off the exchange he could afford and slapped on a breen shield and called it a day.
I always said you can get away with anything on stf and believe me I know because I always slap random junk together and have no idea what I am doing most of the time.
He does fine on elite, ground and space alike. Playing him and playing other characters I feel no different or less or more vulnerable from MK XII and stacked universal consoles to random TRIBBLE.
Really the only thing that's slightly annoying is having to "reload" on ground constantly.
And so the price of romulan weapons to me would have to include an entirely new animation like say missles with smoke before I'd ever consider it.
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Cryptic set the prices using the current dilithium store as a precedent. However this store was always so massivly overpriced that no one EVER used it to buy weapons, making it a really BAD precedent.
They are unlikely to care though. They want it to take you forever to grind a full set of weapons. What confuses me is this makes sense if we all paid a subscription but making people play longer (read: grind more) doesn't really make sense in a F2P model. Especially when the lack of affordable, quality items in the z-store destroys the concept of impulse buying.
I fitted my ship in full Romulan weapons, I wouldn't have been able to do it if it was Romulan Marks. Dilithium is a lot easier to come by then Romulan marks.
The point is that you buy zen to convert to dilithium. This is the same model every F2P in existance uses. You either spend the time, or you spend a dime.
It takes a person 3.5 days of playing ~2 hours a day to earn enough dilithium to get one of these weapons, and that's assuming they only have one character. So maybe 5-6 hours a weapon, at the high end. It's not exactly a huge cost.
I honestly didn't notice. If they do it's a very slight hue difference not worthy of mention.
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I got too curious so I went ahead and bought one. It's a warm green colour, here's a pic where I fire both it and a regular plasma beam at the same time. I'm a sucker for these kinds of things so I'm pleased, plus the disruptor proc is pretty nice with fighters.
So its basically the color of a disruptor?
See that other ship in the picture firing a green beam at the nanite generator -- that's disruptor, no? Light green, closer to yellow than blue whereas this one looks to be a warm green still on blue's side of the spectrum but much less so than the cyan of regular plasma. Then again, maybe that other ship isn't firing a disruptor but something else entirely; I seriously don't remember what disruptors look like, but I'll have to keep an eye on it.
Edit: Had to test it out, here's a pic of all three side by side. It's "clearly" different. :P
Btw I'm an engineer in a cruiser
Only if you use the roluman set to get a small but required boost to plasma damage.
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Well, part of the reason they took the Borg weapons out was because the procs didn't work.
So... Ignore the [Borg] mod and I'd say the Romulan weapons ARE better.
So Disruptor = yellow-green
regular Plasma beam = cyan-green
Romulan Plasma = blue-green
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When they cut the time to get to each tier in half, they didn't touch the prices...
They might have been high when it took twice as long, but you'd have had twice as long to get the lower stuff and use it before you got to the higher stuff.
If it still took twice as long to get to the higher tiers, you'd have the Dil (and Marks) for the gear.
It doesn't... so the prices are just "really?" on everything.
They work fine on the torps. They seem to work....intermittently on energy weapons.
I think "...because the procs didn't work consistently" is more accurate.
The reman set won't help.
It's a valid but expensive option with at least two parts of the new romulan set (the one with the console, the unique plasma beam and plasma torp). Not a great choice for a tac to say the least, but it's fine for engs or even scis on boats with a low turnrate. The console and the special beam are completely pointless for tacs; i'd advise to choose the borg set instead (two parts only with the cutting beam and the torp).
It should be slithgly superior to the old borg stuff but don't expect a huge change.
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I find just the opposite, especially now that the winter eppohs can be traded in for 100-200 marks each.
Hell, I use that turn 50 marks into dilithium mission at least twice a day because its one of my best sources for dil.
Same. Lets face it, regular Epohhs aren't exactly hard to do (more time consuming than winters but it's not huge) and you get 400 each!
Marks are easy, dilithium is limited to 8k per day making it hard. If marks were limited to X amount per day I would agree with him, but they're not.
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Against NPC's the romulan weapons are hilarious once the disruptor proc goes off. Mildly specked into particle with no embassy sci consoled and I tick for 120 per second on plasma burn. Thats going to go up a lot once I get my sci consoles in a week or two.
they are a little steep but not that far off from other MK XII If you count getting to the weapons in fleet. If you just ride your fleet those are much cheaper dil wise.
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Agreed. I'd like that as well. Makes a bit more sense. I mean, fleet gear needs fleet credits to buy, and usually dil too.
Having it cost Rom marks and lowering the needed dil would make it more 'on par' with fleet equipment. You'd still have to grind for it, but you could grind like Elite STFs and get both dil and Omega Marks for example.
Marks can be converted to dilithium, so what's the point?
Your kidding I have two in my bank until I got the full set this is really taking the fun out of the game and pushing me more and more to other MMOs
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I recently made a character that hasn't touched the rep system.
I bought cheap weapons off the exchange he could afford and slapped on a breen shield and called it a day.
I always said you can get away with anything on stf and believe me I know because I always slap random junk together and have no idea what I am doing most of the time.
He does fine on elite, ground and space alike. Playing him and playing other characters I feel no different or less or more vulnerable from MK XII and stacked universal consoles to random TRIBBLE.
Really the only thing that's slightly annoying is having to "reload" on ground constantly.
And so the price of romulan weapons to me would have to include an entirely new animation like say missles with smoke before I'd ever consider it.