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Ground Pvp , possible hacking.

dublinraiderdublinraider Member Posts: 40 Arc User
edited December 2012 in PvP Gameplay
Hi i was playing some ground pvp yesterday and encountered an enemy player who could not be killed.
It was a 3v3 and my entire team focussed on one enemy player. We continually brought his health to 0 and he wouldn't die.
I'm an experienced ground pvp player since sto started and i've never seen anything remotely like this before.
Just thought i'd bring this up to the forum , in case others are experiencing this.
:)
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  • mrkollinsmrkollins Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Its not hacking, is a Bug related to buffs that you can get in the Winter Wonderland.

    I have already sent a PM to Borticus explaining the issue.
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  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    ya getting hit by a snowball seems to give a 10 minute immunity from death lol
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  • dant158#3249 dant158
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         Member Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Haha! GG cryptic, GG
  • mavhaxmavhax Member Posts: 127 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Something in the new winter event is broken?! Say it isn't so! No way!
  • borticuscrypticborticuscryptic Member Posts: 2,478 Cryptic Developer
    edited December 2012
    We're investigating what may be causing this. However the "Rampaging Snowball" debuff that's being blame cannot possibly be the cause - it does not render you immune to death. That effect (present only in Q's Winter Wonderland) is handled by a zonewide power that only lasts 1 sec before being refreshed by the zone. If you somehow managed to leave the zone with the effect intact (a situation which shouldn't be possible), it would only last 1second.

    If anyone has better repro steps on making this happen, please PM me. So far, all I've seen is complaints of it happening without any explanation as to who it came to pass. While we're trying to track it down ourselves, any info you guys may have would be helpful.
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  • felderburgfelderburg Member Posts: 853 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    This happened to me, I was at 0 health for a good while before finally dying. I noted it in Zone chat, and someone mentioned they'd seen it a few times. It was kinda cool, but I worried about getting reported for cheating.

    As far as repro... I have no idea. It only happened to me once. I was in Shanty Town, fighting on my Bajoran Female Engineer.

    I've also seen the "Rampaging Snowball" or some other winter buff with a timer that is definitely longer than 1 second. I do recall seeing it outside of the Winter Wonderland, but I can't recall if it was in the same match I didn't die for a while.
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  • shookyangshookyang Member Posts: 1,122
    edited December 2012
    borticuscryptic wrote: »
    We're investigating what may be causing this. However the "Rampaging Snowball" debuff that's being blame cannot possibly be the cause - it does not render you immune to death. That effect (present only in Q's Winter Wonderland) is handled by a zonewide power that only lasts 1 sec before being refreshed by the zone. If you somehow managed to leave the zone with the effect intact (a situation which shouldn't be possible), it would only last 1second.
    I've had Rampaging Snowball stuck on me for much longer than 1 second. In fact, I'm pretty sure it was stuck on me the entire time I was in the Winter Wonderland.

    I don't know if it left with me when I left the Winterland, but it wasn't on me when I logged back in the next day.

    Unfortunately, I don't know how to reproduce it.
  • sean2448sean2448 Member Posts: 815 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    I tried to go over to army is and did massive amount of damage but could do nothing to them
  • redrickyredricky Member Posts: 1,004 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    felderburg wrote: »
    As far as repro... I have no idea. It only happened to me once. I was in Shanty Town, fighting on my Bajoran Female Engineer.
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  • timelord79timelord79 Member Posts: 1,852 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Huh... I thought I was imagining things, when it happened to me, but I was not in a Pvp match, I think it was one of the fleet events... don't remember exactly, could also have been an STF.
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  • gbehlpnu2012gbehlpnu2012 Member Posts: 107 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    borticuscryptic wrote: »
    We're investigating what may be causing this. However the "Rampaging Snowball" debuff that's being blame cannot possibly be the cause - it does not render you immune to death. That effect (present only in Q's Winter Wonderland) is handled by a zonewide power that only lasts 1 sec before being refreshed by the zone. If you somehow managed to leave the zone with the effect intact (a situation which shouldn't be possible), it would only last 1second.

    If anyone has better repro steps on making this happen, please PM me. So far, all I've seen is complaints of it happening without any explanation as to who it came to pass. While we're trying to track it down ourselves, any info you guys may have would be helpful.

    I've managed to repro it, somewhat. Get the Rampaging Snowball buff....then INSTEAD of talking to Q to leave wonderland, you just simply push the Beam to Ship button on your minimap. The buff timer still ticks down from 10min, but I was able to carry it into a Ground PvP match, although it didn't keep me from dying. After I died the 1st time, the buff disappeared. I've noticed that sometimes I'll actually carry around 2 Rampaging buffs after returning to ESD, but never tried to exploit it because I actually didn't know what it was supposed to do even in wonderland. But as to your claim that the debuff cannot possibly be the cause because it shouldn't be possible to leave with the buff....well, it's VERY possible that there's more going on than you think.
  • mrkollinsmrkollins Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    gbehlpnu2012 wrote: »
    I've managed to repro it, somewhat. Get the Rampaging Snowball buff....then INSTEAD of talking to Q to leave wonderland, you just simply push the Beam to Ship button on your minimap. The buff timer still ticks down from 10min, but I was able to carry it into a Ground PvP match, although it didn't keep me from dying. After I died the 1st time, the buff disappeared. I've noticed that sometimes I'll actually carry around 2 Rampaging buffs after returning to ESD, but never tried to exploit it because I actually didn't know what it was supposed to do even in wonderland. But as to your claim that the debuff cannot possibly be the cause because it shouldn't be possible to leave with the buff....well, it's VERY possible that there's more going on than you think.

    Well, you dont need to leave Winter Wonderland, you can simple join any queue from there. The other buff that you're mentioning is not a second Rampaging, it's a "Snowball throw" buff, they have the same mini icon.

    And Borticus i have already told you the repro steps, its only related to the snowman.
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  • borticuscrypticborticuscryptic Member Posts: 2,478 Cryptic Developer
    edited December 2012
    "Rampaging Snowball" is not related to this at all. It is a nothing-buff, literally. It applies a Null attribute to you, and has been turned off (it was used for testing, nothing more).

    We've located the issue that's causing this, but I'm not going to release that info since it could then be knowingly exploited. Just know that we're working to find a solution.
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  • mrkollinsmrkollins Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Cool .
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  • felderburgfelderburg Member Posts: 853 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    redricky wrote: »
    It was the Prophets!

    Haha! That would be cool. If only the Shard of Possibilities had that as an additional side effect - gain two copies, and invincibility!
    borticuscryptic wrote: »
    We've located the issue that's causing this, but I'm not going to release that info since it could then be knowingly exploited.
    mrkollins wrote: »
    ...its only related to the snowman.

    Let the speculation begin!
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  • probe1171probe1171 Member Posts: 25 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    stasis pistol maybe?
  • wdocwdoc Member Posts: 98 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    I have not seen this particular exploit, but some of the ones that are destroying pvp are there and well known. The logout exploit is only used by a few fleets and people, but it is consistent. So, even if you kill them they logout right before. It is so widely known that it is an ongoing joke in opvp channel. So while you are trying to kill the logger...their buddy is inserting a pulsewave right behind you cloaked.
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  • alax2011alax2011 Member Posts: 105 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    wdoc wrote: »
    I have not seen this particular exploit, but some of the ones that are destroying pvp are there and well known. The logout exploit is only used by a few fleets and people, but it is consistent. So, even if you kill them they logout right before. It is so widely known that it is an ongoing joke in opvp channel. So while you are trying to kill the logger...their buddy is inserting a pulsewave right behind you cloaked.

    Ive heard in zone chat by some people that the logoff exploit is a legitimate feature to escape death from space and ground.
    [9:56] [Zone] NameRemoved: Exploits? What exploit? I'm using the legitimate log in/out functionality provided by the user interface.

    They need a way to fix this bull TRIBBLE
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  • zeratkzeratk Member Posts: 409
    edited December 2012
    They don't use the Logout Button on the HUD, they just keep the logout command in their chat window. So they just have to hit the return button on their keyboard, shortly before they get killed.

    And wdoc is correct. There are particular fleets and their members exploiting it. In general the greatest Trashtalkers around.

    Minimum should be, to get a 5 or 10mins penalty for logout of a PvP.
    This is Crypticverse... :mad:
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