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Maquis Raider?

wunjeewunjee Member Posts: 0 Arc User
edited February 2013 in Federation Discussion
I'm actually surprised I'm not seeing more demand for this ship. It'd be awesome in shuttle events. Surprisingly tho I've never seen a thread on it, never seen anyone talking about it..

Shuttle-tier
3 fore, 2 aft weapons
Can mount dual cannons
1 Lt. Universal
2 Ens Universal
Crew of 20
1 device slot
2 tac slots
1 eng slot
1 sci slot
20 turn rate
0.6 shield modifier

I'd pay a little zen for this just because it'd be fun as hell in shuttle events. I know at 68 meters long it's a bit large for a shuttle but that's still relatively small. Even at +-3 times the size of a Danube.

The only concern I have is it'd be like a Fed BoP, but of course it wouldn't cloak, and it's base stats would be more Shuttle-ish then anything else.

http://rindastartrekds9.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/maquis-raider1.jpg

http://wiki.maquis.com/images/9/96/Juday_msd.jpg

I'd pay 1,000 zen for that.
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  • hereticknight085hereticknight085 Member Posts: 3,783 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    I too was wondering why this ship wasn't in game, but it's actually quite simple. It's too powerful. If you look at the raiders in canon, they are taking on Galors and winning. They can do it all. They are fast, maneuverable, tough, and sneaky. And if you actually introduced one, it would have to be fed only, for obvious reasons.

    Can you imagine the noise on the KDF side? And the balance issues? Hot damn bro XD.
    It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once. B)
  • wunjeewunjee Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    I don't recall one taking on a Galor and winning. I specifically remember Chakotay ordering the weapons power be dumped into the engines because "Not like our weapons can dent their shields anyway" while being chased by a Galor into the badlands.

    The way I envisioned it, it'd be a shuttle with more weapons and slightly better modifiers, but still distinctly worse shield modifiers and hull health then, say, a tier 3 escort.

    Along with the very limited BOFF positions and consoles, limited crew and less maneuverability then, say, a Peregrine, I don't see it being able to pick on anything significant too badly.

    It'd be fun as hell running Vault in one, tho.
  • hereticknight085hereticknight085 Member Posts: 3,783 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    wunjee wrote: »
    I don't recall one taking on a Galor and winning. I specifically remember Chakotay ordering the weapons power be dumped into the engines because "Not like our weapons can dent their shields anyway" while being chased by a Galor into the badlands.

    The way I envisioned it, it'd be a shuttle with more weapons and slightly better modifiers, but still distinctly worse shield modifiers and hull health then, say, a tier 3 escort.

    Along with the very limited BOFF positions and consoles, limited crew and less maneuverability then, say, a Peregrine, I don't see it being able to pick on anything significant too badly.

    It'd be fun as hell running Vault in one, tho.

    I meant small squads of 4 of them, like what they did in DS9 and the few TNG episodes they were featured in. But if they ever did introduce it, it would faceroll the vault, since more than 2 weapons and more than a base hull of 10k and that thing is going to be almost impossible for anything other than the Mogais and BoPs to kill.
    It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once. B)
  • wunjeewunjee Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Anything but the Mogais and BoPs in the Vault is a serious threat anyway? :P

    Peregrine already facerolls the Vault.
  • timelord79timelord79 Member Posts: 1,852 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    I also think the Raider would be more like a non cloaking B'Rel and not a Shuttle at all.
    The closest thing we got in game us that flyable Odyssey support ship (forgot the class name).
    Data's scout ship from Star Trek Insurrection is more if a Shuttle than the Raider, and even that One is already pretty powerful.
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  • sollvaxsollvax Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    More accurately

    2 fore weapons (one a light torp one a light beam) can not mount cannons
    no aft weapons
    1 en slot (universal)
    20 crew

    remember these were juryrig junkers
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  • nicha0nicha0 Member Posts: 1,456 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    They are closer to a frigate than a shuttle, there just isn't a place for them.

    Then again the Jem bug is crazy over powered in the game too, disposable ships ended up being one of the best.
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  • alarcontealarconte Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Can you imagine the noise on the KDF side? And the balance issues? Hot damn bro XD.

    There's no reason KDF can't have Maquis.... Maquis are not Federation but anyway... Maquis doesn't exist anymore, don't they?
  • probe1171probe1171 Member Posts: 25 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    alarconte wrote: »
    There's no reason KDF can't have Maquis.... Maquis are not Federation but anyway... Maquis doesn't exist anymore, don't they?

    we can always hire a new group of rebels who are being lead by either a infiltrator from the Mirror Universe,Dominion or Undine.
  • potasssiumpotasssium Member Posts: 1,226 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Until I saw this thread I thought the Peregrine Fighters were the Marquis ships...

    Shows how much I know. If anything I could see them being more offensive, less sciencey Delta Flier equivalents.
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  • alexhurlbutalexhurlbut Member Posts: 292 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Marquis Raiders and Peregine Fighters use the SAME design. The raiders are varied though, some same as the Peregine Fighters, some as big as runabouts. And then there's Chakotay's ship.

    About raiders taking on Galor and winning. That was ONE instance and it was a SWARM, not a single, not a small group, but MANY raiders ganging up on one Galor.
  • stirling191stirling191 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    alexhurlbut wrote: »
    Marquis Raiders and Peregine Fighters use the SAME design. The raiders are varied though, some same as the Peregine Fighters, some as big as runabouts. And then there's Chakotay's ship.

    About raiders taking on Galor and winning. That was ONE instance and it was a SWARM, not a single, not a small group, but MANY raiders ganging up on one Galor.

    Not exactly. As far as I'm aware, there are only three instances where you actually see a Maquis ship on-screen. One is the DS9 episode where we see Sisko take three danubes against two Peregrines, the second is Chakotay's ship from the first eps of Voyager, and the third is Sisko catching up to, and capturing, Edington (you see two ships identical to Chakotay's raider, one of which gets slagged by the Defiant). The rest of the time they're described sensor contacts that vary in detail from Peregrines to more ambiguous "raiders".

    I do not believe there was ever a non-fighter version of the Peregrine.
  • psycoticvulcanpsycoticvulcan Member Posts: 4,160 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    potasssium wrote: »
    Until I saw this thread I thought the Peregrine Fighters were the Marquis ships...
    alexhurlbut wrote: »
    Marquis Raiders and Peregine Fighters use the SAME design. The raiders are varied though, some same as the Peregine Fighters, some as big as runabouts. And then there's Chakotay's ship.

    Peregrines were used by the Maquis, but they also had a larger ship called "Maquis Raider" as well. They were two different designs.


    If the latter did hit the game as a shuttle, here's what I'd give it:

    Weapons: 1 fore, 1 aft
    Can equip dual cannons
    Boffs: 1 Ensign Universal, 1 Ensign Tactical
    20 crew

    Chakotay's raider had about 40 people on it, but that's a bit OP for the game.
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  • alexhurlbutalexhurlbut Member Posts: 292 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    psycoticvulcan wrote: »
    Peregrines were used by the Maquis, but they also had a larger ship called "Maquis Raider" as well. They were two different designs.


    If the latter did hit the game as a shuttle, here's what I'd give it:

    Weapons: 1 fore, 1 aft
    Can equip dual cannons
    Boffs: 1 Ensign Universal, 1 Ensign Tactical
    20 crew

    Chakotay's raider had about 40 people on it, but that's a bit OP for the game.
    See Marquis Fighter in that link. That's what I meant by same design, I wasn't saying same SHIP. Just same design lines.
  • psycoticvulcanpsycoticvulcan Member Posts: 4,160 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    alexhurlbut wrote: »
    See Marquis Fighter in that link. That's what I meant by same design, I wasn't saying same SHIP. Just same design lines.

    Except the Maquis Fighter and the Peregrine Fighter are not the same design. That's explicitly stated in the "Maquis Fighter" article.
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  • wunjeewunjee Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    sollvax wrote: »
    More accurately

    2 fore weapons (one a light torp one a light beam) can not mount cannons
    no aft weapons
    1 en slot (universal)
    20 crew

    remember these were juryrig junkers

    In the canon, they had 3 forward weapons.

    The beam banks on the wingtips
    The cannons in the wing roots
    A forward torpedo tube

    Aft, they had the photo launcher (2 tubes) and a rear-mounted phaser bank.
  • captiandata1captiandata1 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    mabey it is time for shutttles to be upgraded to have an aft weapon lots?
  • age03age03 Member Posts: 1,664 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    I would say it is bigger than a shuttle.

    http://wiki.maquis.com/w/Maquis_Raider

    http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Condor_class_raider
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  • wunjeewunjee Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    It is bigger then a shuttle. It's a bit less then twice the size of the Sovereign yacht. But at the same time, it's less then 1/4 the size of the smallest starship in the game.

    So it'd easily fit into the game as a shuttle-class ship.

    I want more small ships tho, honestly. I want the Intrepid Aeroshuttle too.
  • milkboxrunner33milkboxrunner33 Member Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Any chance we will see these in the near future? Definitely one of my favorite ships in trek.
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