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assimilatedktarassimilatedktar Member Posts: 1,708 Arc User
I just looked at the tooltip of dilithium under the assets tab. Maybe that's an old hat, I didn't play much in the time before season 7, but it's new to me.

"You are limited to having 10,000,000 Dilithium. If you meet or exceed the limit, you will not earn any more Dilithium until you drop below the limit."

"You are limited to having 10,000,000 Dilithium Ore. If you meet or exceed the limit, you will not earn any more Dilithium Ore until you drop below the limit."

Don't get me wrong, none of my characters will ever get that amount of dilithium, ore or otherwise, but I really wonder why someone thought such a limit was necessary?
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  • hartzillahartzilla Member Posts: 1,177 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    I just looked at the tooltip of dilithium under the assets tab. Maybe that's an old hat, I didn't play much in the time before season 7, but it's new to me.

    "You are limited to having 10,000,000 Dilithium. If you meet or exceed the limit, you will not earn any more Dilithium until you drop below the limit."

    "You are limited to having 10,000,000 Dilithium Ore. If you meet or exceed the limit, you will not earn any more Dilithium Ore until you drop below the limit."

    Don't get me wrong, none of my characters will ever get that amount of dilithium, ore or otherwise, but I really wonder why someone thought such a limit was necessary?

    Actually I think that was there before season 7.

    Its probably just some arbitrary limit they have so you don't just stockpile the stuff.
  • sollvaxsollvax Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Any value over 1 million should automatically trade for Zen (at a reasonable price)
    to stop speculation
    Live long and Prosper
  • khamseenairkhamseenair Member Posts: 2,640 Bug Hunter
    edited December 2012
    Probably for the same reason they have a cap on EC, to prevent any one person from becoming 'God' in game and controlling the universe as we know it. Really, a 10 Million cap on Dilithium is way way way beyond anything any normal player is ever going to be able to save up in the lifetime of the game, so it's a non issue.
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  • veradodanveradodan Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    I just looked at the tooltip of dilithium under the assets tab. Maybe that's an old hat, I didn't play much in the time before season 7, but it's new to me.

    "You are limited to having 10,000,000 Dilithium. If you meet or exceed the limit, you will not earn any more Dilithium until you drop below the limit."

    "You are limited to having 10,000,000 Dilithium Ore. If you meet or exceed the limit, you will not earn any more Dilithium Ore until you drop below the limit."

    Don't get me wrong, none of my characters will ever get that amount of dilithium, ore or otherwise, but I really wonder why someone thought such a limit was necessary?

    Ops..it was before S7 went live! I thought the same...I suppose they found some hole in the code making possible some kind of exploit; so, they fixed it before we could spot it. :D
  • gbehlpnu2012gbehlpnu2012 Member Posts: 107 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    I just looked at the tooltip of dilithium under the assets tab. Maybe that's an old hat, I didn't play much in the time before season 7, but it's new to me.

    "You are limited to having 10,000,000 Dilithium. If you meet or exceed the limit, you will not earn any more Dilithium until you drop below the limit."

    "You are limited to having 10,000,000 Dilithium Ore. If you meet or exceed the limit, you will not earn any more Dilithium Ore until you drop below the limit."

    Don't get me wrong, none of my characters will ever get that amount of dilithium, ore or otherwise, but I really wonder why someone thought such a limit was necessary?

    So they could make money when you have to buy yourself a higher limit. BTW, you can buy a 1 billion upgrade for 500 zen.
  • lewstelamon01lewstelamon01 Member Posts: 924 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    So they could make money when you have to buy yourself a higher limit. BTW, you can buy a 1 billion upgrade for 500 zen.

    Not for dil. The cap increase is for EC.

    ROLL TIDE ROLL
  • lordcorrinolordcorrino Member Posts: 163 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Just store it as Zen. You have unlimited Zen.
  • koppenflakkoppenflak Member Posts: 191 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Just store it as Zen. You have unlimited Zen.

    At the present exchange rate? If I had that amount of Dilithium... That would be an insane move. You'd lose almost all of it.

    Better solution: Use the excess to buy a character slot or two, and transfer the rest around to the other toons, as Dilithium is a per-character currency.
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  • lordcorrinolordcorrino Member Posts: 163 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    koppenflak wrote: »
    At the present exchange rate? If I had that amount of Dilithium... That would be an insane move. You'd lose almost all of it.

    Better solution: Use the excess to buy a character slot or two, and transfer the rest around to the other toons, as Dilithium is a per-character currency.

    You're doing it wrong. It's buy low, sell high. Now is the perfect time to sell dilithium. Plus, we're talking about a ridiculous amount of dilithium. Ten million dil is over 89k zen at current rates. I think you can afford to buy and hold at that level. This is basically a non-issue.
  • twg042370twg042370 Member Posts: 2,312 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    You're doing it wrong. It's buy low, sell high. Now is the perfect time to sell dilithium. Plus, we're talking about a ridiculous amount of dilithium. Ten million dil is over 89k zen at current rates. I think you can afford to buy and hold at that level. This is basically a non-issue.

    For that much you could have the devs touch you in a sensual manner.
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  • koppenflakkoppenflak Member Posts: 191 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    You're doing it wrong. It's buy low, sell high. Now is the perfect time to sell dilithium. Plus, we're talking about a ridiculous amount of dilithium. Ten million dil is over 89k zen at current rates. I think you can afford to buy and hold at that level. This is basically a non-issue.

    You are assuming that Dilithium will ever be worth pre-season 7 values again. I stand by what I said - I think if you buy at the current price, you will regret it in 6 months time when it's near the hard-floor.
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  • quiscustodietquiscustodiet Member Posts: 350
    edited December 2012
    To prevent overflows. If they let any variable reach the store cap, they risk overflows, which could be disastrous. Even Zen probably has a cap, though it's not displayed.
  • bluedarkybluedarky Member Posts: 548 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    You do realise that without buying massive amounts of Zen and selling it for Dilithium it would take you 3 1/2 years of reaching the refinement cap daily to gain that much Dilithium.
  • walshicuswalshicus Member Posts: 1,314 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    koppenflak wrote: »
    You are assuming that Dilithium will ever be worth pre-season 7 values again. I stand by what I said - I think if you buy at the current price, you will regret it in 6 months time when it's near the hard-floor.
    And given the massive amount of Dilithium that's been pumped into the economy through the (marks/BNP)>Dil conversion path... I think you're going to see the price of Dilithium decrease shortly. Perhaps not to 160 levels again, but definitely above 140.

    bluedarky wrote: »
    You do realise that without buying massive amounts of Zen and selling it for Dilithium it would take you 3 1/2 years of reaching the refinement cap daily to gain that much Dilithium.
    Probably quicker if you speculate a lot. If you're making a lot of rapid trades on the Exchange and netting a 1% increase from them, it doesn't take long for that to mushroom. 100,000 Dilithium in your starting pot would reach 10,000,000 in just ~463trades (1.01^463 = 100.18).
    http://mmo-economics.com - analysing the economic interactions in MMOs.
  • sollvaxsollvax Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Speculators should lose half their dilith EVERY trade
    it might slow down the corruption of the system
    Live long and Prosper
  • walshicuswalshicus Member Posts: 1,314 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    sollvax wrote: »
    Speculators should lose half their dilith EVERY trade
    it might slow down the corruption of the system

    Then nobody would trade, because there's no reliable way to differentiate a "speculator" from a regular player.
    http://mmo-economics.com - analysing the economic interactions in MMOs.
  • sollvaxsollvax Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    multiple trades in different directions in the same Day??

    How about ONE sale of Zen per day per person
    One sale of dilithium per character per day

    An if no one traded the speculators would leave and go to some other scam
    on some other game
    Live long and Prosper
  • walshicuswalshicus Member Posts: 1,314 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    sollvax wrote: »
    multiple trades in different directions in the same Day??

    How about ONE sale of Zen per day per person
    One sale of dilithium per character per day

    An if no one traded the speculators would leave and go to some other scam
    on some other game

    I don't see why it's a problem. I don't have the patience to work with the Dilithium Exchange because of the volume of trades per second, but for me a lot of the fun in the game comes from working the EC/Item Exchange. Nobody is being cheated, people are just buying and selling at a rate set by the market.
    http://mmo-economics.com - analysing the economic interactions in MMOs.
  • sollvaxsollvax Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    people are being cheated on BOTH exchanges

    Ok a new ship comes out in a box
    its worth maybe X Ec (where X is an amount a normal honest player can raise in a month)
    Some go on the exchange at X +/- 10%

    immediately a speculator buys them up and relists them at Xx10 or Xx30

    A second speculator buys the ones at Xx10 and relists at Xx50

    Answer to this is to make all these boxes Bind on pick up or account bind

    Another example
    You can buy saurian brandy from bartenders
    when a doff chain came out that needed it suddenly some people were buying from bartenders and posting on the exchange at 100x the price (which is robbery)
    they rely on the fact that some people are less well informed or less educated and can't read the guides
    this is dishonourable and dishonest isn't it

    Same goes for selling a white doff for a million EC


    Well the same sort of people obtained a supply of zen or dilith that they never intend to use
    they use this as a float to "bet" on the exchange then every now and then take some zen and convert it into something people want which they then sell (often for real money)


    everyone suffers
    Live long and Prosper
  • walshicuswalshicus Member Posts: 1,314 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    That's not cheating. That's the market working.
    its worth maybe X Ec
    It's worth the price that the highest bidder will pay for it.

    The whole point of the Exchange system is to extract consumer/producer surplus and arrive at optimal price points. As everything about this game falls under the "luxury" or rather "non-essential" umbrella, there are no social externalities to be concerned with.
    http://mmo-economics.com - analysing the economic interactions in MMOs.
  • sollvaxsollvax Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Ah the Market

    The Great god of the ferengi
    The Great Evil of the era infact

    In the real world the reason a drug that costs 15 pence to make costs ?16 a dose
    The reason millions live in poverty

    An item has a listed value
    its Worth that

    If you charge 10% more you are making a profit
    if you charge 200% of that you are a frengi
    Live long and Prosper
  • walshicuswalshicus Member Posts: 1,314 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    sollvax wrote: »
    Ah the Market

    The Great god of the ferengi
    The Great Evil of the era infact

    In the real world the reason a drug that costs 15 pence to make costs ?16 a dose
    The reason millions live in poverty

    An item has a listed value
    its Worth that

    If you charge 10% more you are making a profit
    if you charge 200% of that you are a frengi

    We're playing a game. Nobody is materially harmed by free market running here.

    Outside world? Yeah, I'm a socialist. But as I say, this is a game.
    http://mmo-economics.com - analysing the economic interactions in MMOs.
  • quiscustodietquiscustodiet Member Posts: 350
    edited December 2012
    Ignore the Trollvax and the Trollvax goes away.
  • sollvaxsollvax Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Where do you think the zen comes from??

    Hard working people pay for it
    Kids spend their allowance on it
    Elderly ladies buy it so they can provide dilithium to their fleets so they can have a tank full of squid in the day room (and yes there is at least one fleet out there with an average age of 60)

    So yes people are being hurt

    then theres the poor devil working a 12 hour day grinding dilithium on 12 characters to trade for zen to trade for items to sell via his boss
    there are infact people grinding dilithium for a LIVING now
    twisted or what

    See Im not a socialist but I have watched the greatest country in the world go to hell in a hand basket because of speculation and "markets" specifically in debts and securities
    Live long and Prosper
  • sollvaxsollvax Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Ignore the Trollvax and the Trollvax goes away.

    oh not you again

    look this is really simple this "market" is killing the economy and driving people away
    as are people who call others by strange silly names
    Live long and Prosper
  • walshicuswalshicus Member Posts: 1,314 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    sollvax wrote: »
    Where do you think the zen comes from??
    From free people who voluntarily exchange real money for a virtual currency to use in their recreational activity of choice.
    Hard working people pay for it
    Voluntarily.
    Kids spend their allowance on it
    Voluntarily.
    Elderly ladies buy it so they can provide dilithium to their fleets so they can have a tank full of squid in the day room (and yes there is at least one fleet out there with an average age of 60)
    Voluntarily.
    So yes people are being hurt
    No they're not. Again, nothing about this game "matters". Nobody will go hungry because the price of Zen is at its market price, because no rational person would take their luxury spending out of their essential spending (and irrational people can't be accounted for).


    See Im not a socialist but I have watched the greatest country in the world go to hell in a hand basket because of speculation and "markets" specifically in debts and securities
    England isn't doing that bad.
    http://mmo-economics.com - analysing the economic interactions in MMOs.
  • sollvaxsollvax Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    wasn't refering to England

    And no not always peoples own choices
    some people are being manipulated

    And some people are not too hard to blackmail "donate 200,000 dilith by friday or you are out of the fleet"
    etc
    Live long and Prosper
  • walshicuswalshicus Member Posts: 1,314 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    sollvax wrote: »
    wasn't refering to England

    And no not always peoples own choices
    some people are being manipulated
    ... So your argument is that a tiny portion of people are idiots who allow themselves to be manipulated by an even tinier portion of people who are malicious? Really?
    And some people are not too hard to blackmail "donate 200,000 dilith by friday or you are out of the fleet"
    etc
    There are lots of fleets out there who would welcome new members - even non-contributing members.


    Frankly your argument is a bit weird. Anyone who fits under your categories above has bigger problems to worry about than the price of Dilithium being a few percent higher or lower in certain circumstances. Such as not being able to function, socially.
    http://mmo-economics.com - analysing the economic interactions in MMOs.
  • quiscustodietquiscustodiet Member Posts: 350
    edited December 2012
    We all know what country you were refering to, Trollvax.
    Only in McDonaldsland would someone take "socialist" as an insult, especially someone spouting (a caricature of) socialist ideals; only in McDonaldsland (and France) are people so arrogant to call their country "the greatest in the world".
    He was feigning misunderstanding. It's a joke thing. It flew right past you, as those tend to do.
  • thegreendragoon1thegreendragoon1 Member Posts: 1,872 Arc User
    edited December 2012
    Just so you guys know, if you started refining the maximum amount of dilithium right now and took full advantage of the veteran doff assignment, it would still take you 3.2 years to refine 10 million dilithium. Keeping in mind that the Dilithium system was only introduced a year ago. To buy that much dilithium, assuming you bought at roughly 200 dil/zen, it would cost you over $50,000. I'm guessing no one is anywhere near that cap.
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