Gold member and lifer

kara445 · November 2012

This post is for people who pay subscription and lifer.

Firs you should know if I'm gold member is because I love this game and I trust you can make this game better. The second reason we pay a subscription is i don't want have the same limitation than free member and I want enjoy all the features of the game.

But in fact even the little bonus I have, I in the same case that free member ( who not pay subscription) I need to farm dilithium or pay more than what i pay every month. I think is not normal ! Look what do the other game like Lotro, age of conan, and even eve online ( i know is not really a free to play but you can play for free with game cash). In all this game when you pay a subscription you have access to the all game.

I can understand we have to pay a little bit more for cosmetic stuff like costume or have experience more fast, or the lockbox ...

But i don't understand we have the same limitation for stuff and ships. I mean we have to pay like free member of i we want a new ship, or we have to farm or pay for have more dilithium like free member ... that not normal we already pay for this game !!!

i think all the gold member and lifer should they something for they stop to think we are stupid and because they use star trek license and we are big fan they can do what they want. It's a total non respect to the costumer

Now what i ask is simple do something for gold member and lifer because for the moment is no point to spend money in this game.

latiasracer · November 2012

Subscriber here.

IMO, what makes this game great is that there is no divide between f2p'rs and us goldies. We get bonuses for sure, like the vet system and free BOFF/BANK/AB slots, but i think that's enough. Maybe ship slots and Doff roster increases would be nice, but we can manage without.

dirlettia · November 2012

Totally agree with your points, I am totally against all these lockbox ships and Lobi store bits requiring unknown amounts of real money, especially after a substantial amount has or is constantly being spent for no tangible recurring benefit.

BUT:

If I were to look at this from Cryptics point of view they see many lifers who have had accounts since Beta and before and who have long since had value from their subscriptions and have even benefited by paying less than somebody who is still paying monthly. Both on the other hand are counted equal by the feature matrix so the question is if it can be resolved peacefully to the merriment of all?

Maybe it can as the feature matrix does not show recurring tangible benefits beyond the fact that you get 500zen per month and can gain extra bank and inventory slots if you level a toon during THAT month (pretty Meh really). Perhaps then what you are indirectly asking for is to either reduce the rep costs for Gold members or make the highest rep apply account wide for as long as the account remains Gold? Heck even make basic ships available for ec while gold. Dilithium on the hand is not something that will likely be removed as a requirement so any potential solution will have to include it.

kara445 · November 2012

latiasracer wrote: »

Subscriber here.

IMO, what makes this game great is that there is no divide between f2p'rs and us goldies. We get bonuses for sure, like the vet system and free BOFF/BANK/AB slots, but i think that's enough. Maybe ship slots and Doff roster increases would be nice, but we can manage without.

I fact wre can manage with no bonus at all, in this case why pay a sbuscription if is for have the same limitation than free member ??

I think it's normal Gold member have more thing than free member because we pay for this game and free member play for free. Now it's like pay for nothing.

What i want is not be in the same state then free member, i mean not have to pay for everything like free member

marielang · November 2012

simple solution we should get 1000 zen stippend insted of 500 seeing as all dilith cost up and all dilith farming down

areikou · November 2012

Gold Members should receive these added perks.

16k dilithium refinement per day cap.
Can use Very Rare and Ultra Rare items
Are given higher caps on skill points. Approximately 100,000 more skill points.
2 more slots for Reputation projects
Reputation timers reduced by 10 hours
Z-Store discount of 10%
Unlimited EC storage

Lifetimers should receive the above and also:
8k more dilithium per day refinement cap
2 more slots for Reputation Projects
Reputation timers further reduced by another 10 hours
One free ship of your choice per year, regardless of which ship. Bundles not included.

Just some passing thoughts that I believe are more relevant to S7 and the changes that have been made as of late.

kara445 · November 2012

daiouvegeta2 wrote: »

Gold Members should receive these added perks.

16k dilithium refinement per day cap.
Can use Very Rare and Ultra Rare items
Are given higher caps on skill points. Approximately 100,000 more skill points.
2 more slots for Reputation projects
Reputation timers reduced by 10 hours
Z-Store discount of 10%
Unlimited EC storage

Lifetimers should receive the above and also:
8k more dilithium per day refinement cap
2 more slots for Reputation Projects
Reputation timers further reduced by another 10 hours
One free ship of your choice per year, regardless of which ship. Bundles not included.

Just some passing thoughts that I believe are more relevant to S7 and the changes that have been made as of late.

I'm not sure about more skill points and for the ultra rare and ra items it's a good idea, because i don't ask for a difference in game between gold member or lifer and free member, i just say because we pay for this game we will not have to pay for the features like free members

mikearoo · November 2012

An idea that was brought up on the forums just a little while ago, was adding a dilithium buff to LT's and Subs. For example, if you sub and run an elite stf. f2p'ers get the 960 Dilithium, subs get 1104 because their sub gives them a 15% bonus on what they earn. Perhaps this percentage could even be different depending on LT/Sub status. This gives another incentive to sub/lt, it also frees up your time a little to do other things, (lets get those fleet marks for your base eh?).

Just an idea I saw that I believe should be considered.

kara445 · November 2012

mikearoo wrote: »

An idea that was brought up on the forums just a little while ago, was adding a dilithium buff to LT's and Subs. For example, if you sub and run an elite stf. f2p'ers get the 960 Dilithium, subs get 1104 because their sub gives them a 15% bonus on what they earn. Perhaps this percentage could even be different depending on LT/Sub status. This gives another incentive to sub/lt, it also frees up your time a little to do other things, (lets get those fleet marks for your base eh?).

Just an idea I saw that I believe should be considered.

That a good idea too but i think more things like gold member and lifer have to pay less than free member, but really less.

I mean i understand we have to pay for cosmetics things and lockbox why not, BUT i tired to be at the same place than free member for ships and stuff.

Maybe that look ask too much but seriously look in all other free game what they propose when you pay a subscription : you have everything in the game. And they work well look age of conan, lotro, and for many people eve online ( i know only this games sorry if i forgot some)

unangbangkay · November 2012

Be careful what you wish for, people. Seriously.

If you want an all-too-recent example of what MAY happen if a developer subscribes to the idea that "Gold/Subscriber" players get fundamentally more CAPABILITIES (not just extraneous perks like a stipend or veteran bonuses) than "Silver/Free" players, you could just look at how Star Wars: The Old Republic has structured its Free-to-Play option.

Basically, rather than increasing the value of a Gold player's subscription, they DECREASED the value of the Silver player's experience, by adding tons of restrictions and "pay-walling" a huge number of basic game features, including chatting, friends, guilds, crafting, mounts, limits on raiding missions, and EVEN the ability to equip high-end gear or gain levels at a reasonable speed.

Some of the more bigoted members of this forum like crapping on the "Asian" mentality supposedly brought by PWE and the Free-to-Play transition, but I can tell you this much:

- A Silver player in STO or Champions Online at least doesn't feel like a second-class citizen or a peasant, just a person of slightly less means.

- A Free player in The Old Republic (a very western-designed MMO) is practically a pariah.

dracounguis · November 2012

daiouvegeta2 wrote: »

Gold Members should receive these added perks. 16k dilithium refinement per day cap.
Lifetimers should receive the above and also: 8k more dilithium per day refinement cap

Good Lord man! How many damn Dil grinding hours do you do, to want 24k refinement ability?!?

Hi cap don't do me any good unless they make Dil alot easier to get. With S7, my Dil making has been cut in half.

kara445 · November 2012

unangbangkay wrote: »

Be careful what you wish for, people. Seriously.

If you want an all-too-recent example of what MAY happen if a developer subscribes to the idea that "Gold/Subscriber" players get fundamentally more CAPABILITIES (not just extraneous perks like a stipend or veteran bonuses) than "Silver/Free" players, you could just look at how Star Wars: The Old Republic has structured its Free-to-Play option.

Basically, rather than increasing the value of a Gold player's subscription, they DECREASED the value of the Silver player's experience, by adding tons of restrictions and "pay-walling" a huge number of basic game features, including chatting, friends, guilds, crafting, mounts, limits on raiding missions, and EVEN the ability to equip high-end gear or gain levels at a reasonable speed.

Some of the more bigoted members of this forum like crapping on the "Asian" mentality supposedly brought by PWE and the Free-to-Play transition, but I can tell you this much:

- A Silver player in STO or Champions Online at least doesn't feel like a second-class citizen or a peasant, just a person of slightly less means.

- A Free player in The Old Republic (a very western-designed MMO) is practically a pariah.

I'm sorry but and ?? I support this game i pay every months I think it's normal i have more thing than free member who pay nothing, do you think is fair when you pay you have nothing more at the end than people who pay nothing ?

I think is normal, people who don't want invest in the game play with the minimum and people who trust in the game and invest money in pay with the maximum the game can give.

And you speak about Champions online ( i will love if a day they do one subscription for this 2 games) but last time i see on Champions online free member can have only some archetype and gold member have access to all power and can mix them like they want, gold member have more skill point ....

You see in Champion only you pay for something.

For The old republic that a little bit different, first EA know nothing about mmo and they fail, and they lost game mind since a long time. But what they do it's a TRIBBLE.

littlesarbonn · November 2012

I'm one of those new players who started subscribing almost immediately after starting the game (gold membership). I'm seriously thinking of doing the lifetime membership as well. But I'm doing it because I want to support the company rather than get extra things. Sure, the extra things are nice, but I want this game to last, so I pay to support it.

I'm not a fan of having to pay the same rates as everyone else (who is not a subscriber), which is why I think that all prices for gold members and lifers should actually be discounted (as we're paying the same thing a required pay game would demand (yet would get full benefits). I'd be happy with that.

One thing that concerns me is paying for a lifer subscription and then the game closing shop the next day. This happened to me with City of Heroes, and I was seriously burned by that game.

shockwave85 · November 2012

The idea of a small increase in the amount of dilithium rewards seems a reasonable idea. It doesn't fundamentally put gold accounts on a higher plane than free players, just reduces the amount of grinding we have to do so we're free to then play as we please. We already get a small refinement cap increase to the tune of 1000 dil every two days from a Doff mission (800-day Vet/Lifer). I do think all gold accounts should receive one free VA ship per character, similarly to the 600-day vet token. By the time you get that, you could have easily leveled three or four or more toons and you don't need it anymore. Give every gold one free, single-unlock VA ship for hitting level 50, including the $25 ships, it's the least you can do to make up the cost of sub. Besides, single-unlock vet tokens don't count toward Fleet Ship discount, so people may end up buying it anyway.

xantris · November 2012

latiasracer wrote: »

Subscriber here.

IMO, what makes this game great is that there is no divide between f2p'rs and us goldies. We get bonuses for sure, like the vet system and free BOFF/BANK/AB slots, but i think that's enough. Maybe ship slots and Doff roster increases would be nice, but we can manage without.

This. I do think the monthly allotment should be doubled though.

duaths1 · November 2012

daiouvegeta2 wrote: »

Gold Members should receive these added perks.

16k dilithium refinement per day cap.
Can use Very Rare and Ultra Rare items
Are given higher caps on skill points. Approximately 100,000 more skill points.
2 more slots for Reputation projects
Reputation timers reduced by 10 hours
Z-Store discount of 10%
Unlimited EC storage

Just some passing thoughts that I believe are more relevant to S7 and the changes that have been made as of late.

this yes.

but i would not make a difference between gold and lifetime as lifetime "expires" - lifers become "free" players after a while.. you know what i mean, i'm not a good english speaker..

treffell · November 2012

think they gfet a shuttle

thats more then enough

as am ytter of fact its close to cheating if you ask me but i like all the cdomnsoles and ships and stugff so i guess its ok

plus they both need every advantage and free keys agin the likes of me
if'n they pvp

kara445 · November 2012

I just think if they do more for the subscription more people will take it and less people will feel they can have everything without play. It better for the game development and it's better for people who want invest in the game and want see it be improve.

Anyway if all the poeple don't care to pay for nothing i give up, I will just stop give money in this game and maybe stop too

Gold member and lifer

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