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diplom4t
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Since PWE is all about this rep system, why not make a pvp rep system.
Here is my idea on how this may work.
Your floating around in sector space and you see someone you wanna pvp (solo),
you send pvp challange, if they accept you both earn 2 pvp rep.
In this pvp rep combat tho, you cant destory your target in space, you must
disable it, then board his ship to destory it from the inside out.
In more detail, you and your target fire it off at each other for a good 2mins
or whatever it takes to get him down to 5% health, when your target reaches this 5%
health, his systems disable and he wakes up from a black dazes on a burning bridge w/
smoke and wires hangin down and maybe a fuzzy viewscreen but at the same time, the guy
who disable his ship beamed into his ship on the ENG deck or MED deck or whatever.
Now on his targets ship he must fight his way with his away team deck by deck going
to waypoints to disable even more systems thruout the ship.. each waypoint giving
some kind of pvp rep i guess but at the same time, the man on the bridge who just woke
up from blackness must start to repair his ship deck by deck, and if he can repair his ship faster then the guy attacking, the attacker well be beamed back to his ship only to find that
the once disable ship is at 50% or 75% and they can battle once again, and maybe a chance
to turn the tables.
This Pvp idea will bring who new life on pvp i think, and if there is way to bring more
players such as team and fleets this idea can even grow more and more.
Example for fleets, is 5 vs 5, but each team has a lead ship that must be protect, as in
all other ships can be destoryed, but if the lead fleet ship is down to 5%, the other
team can board, and then you have one team attacking, and other fleet team repairing..
again giving pvp rep..
thats my idea.. hope you like it
Here is my idea on how this may work.
Your floating around in sector space and you see someone you wanna pvp (solo),
you send pvp challange, if they accept you both earn 2 pvp rep.
In this pvp rep combat tho, you cant destory your target in space, you must
disable it, then board his ship to destory it from the inside out.
In more detail, you and your target fire it off at each other for a good 2mins
or whatever it takes to get him down to 5% health, when your target reaches this 5%
health, his systems disable and he wakes up from a black dazes on a burning bridge w/
smoke and wires hangin down and maybe a fuzzy viewscreen but at the same time, the guy
who disable his ship beamed into his ship on the ENG deck or MED deck or whatever.
Now on his targets ship he must fight his way with his away team deck by deck going
to waypoints to disable even more systems thruout the ship.. each waypoint giving
some kind of pvp rep i guess but at the same time, the man on the bridge who just woke
up from blackness must start to repair his ship deck by deck, and if he can repair his ship faster then the guy attacking, the attacker well be beamed back to his ship only to find that
the once disable ship is at 50% or 75% and they can battle once again, and maybe a chance
to turn the tables.
This Pvp idea will bring who new life on pvp i think, and if there is way to bring more
players such as team and fleets this idea can even grow more and more.
Example for fleets, is 5 vs 5, but each team has a lead ship that must be protect, as in
all other ships can be destoryed, but if the lead fleet ship is down to 5%, the other
team can board, and then you have one team attacking, and other fleet team repairing..
again giving pvp rep..
thats my idea.. hope you like it
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If memory serves it will be for pvp gear only.
I expect everything to run through the reputation system from here on out. Mini-factions and items and what not
I think they said they COULD, not WOULD...there is a great difference between those two statements...
God, lvl 60 CW. 17k.
except i would stay in the space, and separate duells on the ground.
cause there is no PVP in fighting through some "stations" on a ship.
if so, then let the space winner spawn on the bridge - he and his away team of 1, against the captain also with one BOFF.
But I am pretty sure it was said they would make a pvp rep because I remember they said it would be for pvp gear only and the guy doing the interview said something about a lot of people jumping their seats over it.
But if you feel up to it it's somewhere between 100-104 or simply mail the people who do the podcast, I am pretty sure I am right
i see your point, reason my idea was for a pvp system to tie in ground(in ship) combat and space is from watching so many star trek shows, where they beam on attackers ships sometimes after they take shields down or what not..
Use that theme for space and ground combat for PvP and PvE so that you fight both players and npcs or both depending on the way they would wanna develop it so that what the player does impacts the fight for territory in each individual instance. Most likely I would think that there wouldn't be any respawning going on if you blew up you would leave the match and then if someone else is in the que they take your space for a more realistic approach to that. Being there would most likely be a cool down for re-entry depending on a time limit since a lot of people have many many characters and would help PWE/Cryptic with character slot sales that eventually you could take it but this would be something that would be beneficial for time gated content so the NPC factions would get reinforcements every so many intervals and if you can cut through them and capture before they have time to take you out with reinforcements it would be captured for your faction.
The grind breaker of it to balance it out is certain ques or what not for doing this for example if you wanted to take out their ability to communicate or activate rotating jamming pulses to benefit your attacking force you would need to have for example maybe a tier 2 or 3 of those reputations. With what they have done with rep systems so far and starbases combined the system could work it would be all about combining that tech and then making the maps. So it seems doable from a player stand point.
They've also promised new maps and revamps to the pvp system.
For almost three years now.
KDF and The Foundry have seen far more updates than PvP, while PvP has seen basically two updates in two point five years; the ability to setup custom matches (including cross faction) and adding the map Shanty Town. Beyond that, nothing.
Basically, don't hold your breath.
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Just imagine how many players would have died if they had to actually hold their breath for things promised
If it were me I'd make certain areas of space flagged for open combat. Maybe 2 or 3 clusters.
Then I'd set up maybe cargo missions, would what be the most trek, transport diplomats I don't know whatever, for dilithium rewards.
You could easily tie it into the story of supporting say the romulans and running transport misision for them and attacking eachother's convoys.
The main reason I like my own idea is you'd add a sense of the unknown everytime you go in there and it would give you a reason to fly with your fleet and really co-operate.
Personally I think they ignore pvp because they feel the userbase is too small, sort of like ignoring the kling faction.
It was priority one's podcast last week. and Gecko said could use it for pvp. Made one or two more sentences about it then it was never brought up again. Therefore there is no would planned.
OP *is* the new balance, whether you know it or not! Gecko says so.
Season 7 - Exodus, available online. U buy nao!
http://seekingalpha.com/article/738221-monetizing-perfect-world-s-latest-update
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Gecko (and the other devs) say a lot of things. What actually makes it beyond the discussion table and into the game is an entirely different story.
I'm still of the belief that if the Foundry had the system hooks in place to let you set up a map for pvp, setting up win conditions (like team a reaching x amount of points for doing something) you'd see a huge boon to the sto pvp community (and foundry by extension). Hell I made a video showing how easy it was to whip together a custom map in the Foundry, just basic stuff, within a matter of minutes. It wasn't the prettiest of maps but you can see how easily someone who is great at designing a map, could really make some awesome pvp maps. We just don't have any option to hook into the system for anything pvp related.
Which is sad cause at this point, three years later, it's obvious Cryptic isn't going to support it's pvp community, no matter how small we are. If we could make the maps ourselves, the problem would solve itself.
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STO / Cryptic member since 2009 (mavgeek)
Almost made me try and go look for it but I don't have the mental surplus right now to listen through it.
I think the foundry part is a great idea just it's a semi declaration of failure when you have your players creating the content.
But yeah totally, if they don't want to work on pvp let the players do it themselves.
For starters, giving any boosts to PvP will just shift power more to the hardcore players and make it harder for casual players. We seen this with TOR with their expertise system.
Second the STO population of PvPers is very low, making a system around a tiny fraction of the community is a waste of precious time.
Third, those who do not do PvP now would grind the system and add problems like AFKing or people resorting to private queues to avoid PvPers in general.
In short, don't add incentives to PvP because the PVP itself should be the incentive for playing.
Over in DCUO they have a version of pvp where you play iconic characters, like batman vs robin.
In STO you'd then fly premade but famous ships I don't know if pvp'ers would like that.
It would also require the developers making a whole line of ship and balancing them, so yeah
I like your idea to a certain point:
A) Maintain Space & Ground separated - Too long of a PvP session just to earn 2 points is less then entertaining and a bore at best.
C) Open PvP instances should be designed - most typical MMO's will give you an option to turn off PvP on yourself, so players who wish to be attacked in the open have the option to turn it on - again rank requirements apply.
D) Open territorial claim with rewards should be implemented, Move that border, sway it - even it means getting the KDF redline to the very doorstep of the Federation Sol System.