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Dilithium Change is Actually Detrimental to the Feds. Ironically not to KDF.

hereticknight085hereticknight085 Member Posts: 3,783 Arc User
So I was doing some calculations after looking at what Cryptic did as a result of S7, and I came to the following conclusion:

Feds actually cannot hit their 8k limit with just daily missions.

Now here is what I calculated:

Foundry (Investigate Officer Reports): 1440
Explore Strange New Worlds: 1440
Eta Eridani Triplet: 1440
Deferi Dailies: 1440
Emancipation + Rescue + Academy Quiz: 1440
Dilithium Asteroid Mining: 600

Which brings the grand total up to... 7800.

Last I checked 7800 was less than 8000. So there you have it. Feds got screwed.

On the flip side, I was laughing when I finished calculations, because I looked at the KDF, and they were perfectly fine. In fact, their total Dil they can get is well over 8000. It's actually more like 12 or 13k per day.

So there you have it, a change that boned feds, and left the KDF mostly unscathed.

P.S If I missed any daily sources of dilithium for the feds, please let me know.
P.P.S This did not add in Borg/Tholian Sector Incursions, simply due to the random nature of those events and the fact not everyone has access to/ can win at them.
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  • gavriil1983gavriil1983 Member Posts: 73 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    shh, don't tell them. they'll TRIBBLE the kdf too.
  • piwright42piwright42 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Dude genie's outta the bottle now.

    Prep for the great KDF dil nerf.
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  • defalusdefalus Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    *cough* Fleet Actions *cough*

    Oh and Doffing... and um... whatever else I forgot, I'm sure there's something.
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  • truewarpertruewarper Member Posts: 930 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Frak...:eek::eek::eek:
    So I was doing some calculations after looking at what Cryptic did as a result of S7, and I ca
    me to the following conclusion:

    Feds actually cannot hit their 8k limit with just daily missions.

    Now here is what I calculated:

    Foundry (Investigate Officer Reports): 1440
    Explore Strange New Worlds: 1440
    Eta Eridani Triplet: 1440
    Deferi Dailies: 1440
    Emancipation + Rescue + Academy Quiz: 1440
    Dilithium Asteroid Mining: 600

    Which brings the grand total up to... 7800.

    Last I checked 7800 was less than 8000. So there you have it. Feds got screwed.

    On the flip side, I was laughing when I finished calculations, because I looked at the KDF, and they were perfectly fine. In fact, their total Dil they can get is well over 8000. It's actually more like 12 or 13k per day.

    So there you have it, a change that boned feds, and left the KDF mostly unscathed.

    P.S If I missed any daily sources of dilithium for the feds, please let me know.
    P.P.S This did not add in Borg/Tholian Sector Incursions, simply due to the random nature of those events and the fact not everyone has access to/ can win at them.
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  • shimmerlessshimmerless Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    The cluster exploration dailies were actually more like +2880, because you could double up on B'Tran and the general "Explore 3 (X)" daily and hand both in at once.
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  • defalusdefalus Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Yep... let's all forgot about all the fleet actions which award dilithium and doffing which can run while you sleep.
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  • jexsamxjexsamx Member Posts: 2,803 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Fleet Actions.

    Starbase 24 right now is giving out 1440 dil per run, which neatly puts your total over 8000. 9240, to be exact. Which is of course assuming you only run one Fleet Action, which would be stupid of you unless you've got some other time constraints. You can nearly run it back to back by jumping between two or three characters, I found out.
  • fiberteksyfirfiberteksyfir Member Posts: 1,207 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    The cluster exploration dailies were actually more like +2880, because you could double up on B'Tran and the general "Explore 3 (X)" daily and hand both in at once.

    Not anymore you can't. They removed the dil from the B'tran daily
  • hereticknight085hereticknight085 Member Posts: 3,783 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    This was calculated based on someone who doesn't want to PvP and just wants to run around sector space doing dailies and things like that. I based this entirely off your average casual player. I personally dgaf, since I know where to get dil, how to get dil, and what to get it from, but your average casual player who just runs basic sector stuff will have a much harder time now.
    It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once. B)
  • defalusdefalus Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Still forgetting to edit in the fleet actions... but hey you dgaf so why not continue to present false information.:rolleyes:
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  • hereticknight085hereticknight085 Member Posts: 3,783 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    defalus wrote: »
    Still forgetting to edit in the fleet actions... but hey you dgaf so why not continue to present false information.:rolleyes:

    ...
    Your average casual player will usually either A) not know what fleet actions are, or B) not want to do them for various reasons.

    I should probably have modified my commentary that as solo play goes, there is no longer a way to make the 8k mark. That would have then excluded any of the multiplayer action. I also should have said as solo content missions go, which then would have excluded DOff assignments, which I am fully aware can amount to somewhere around 1.5-2k dil by the end of the day. My apologies for not clarifying that sooner.

    I never said what I was presenting was true for everyone. I was just pointing out something I noticed that wasn't there before, since before S7 was released, you could hit your 8k mark pretty easily as a fed with solo play mission content only. As is now, you can't. That's all I was saying.
    It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once. B)
  • masondkmasondk Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    I understand that cryptic wants us to do other content in STO. I just did a SB24, I only got a turret. So as I understand when you do the lowest damage, you only get a console or a turret, you get no dilithium at all.

    So is there a reason to even fly a science utility ship in fleet actions anymore, because for me it seems it is all about how much damage you do now, to even get the 1440 dilithium also?
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  • baudlbaudl Member Posts: 4,060 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    So I was doing some calculations after looking at what Cryptic did as a result of S7, and I came to the following conclusion:

    Feds actually cannot hit their 8k limit with just daily missions.

    Now here is what I calculated:

    Foundry (Investigate Officer Reports): 1440
    Explore Strange New Worlds: 1440
    Eta Eridani Triplet: 1440
    Deferi Dailies: 1440
    Emancipation + Rescue + Academy Quiz: 1440
    Dilithium Asteroid Mining: 600

    Which brings the grand total up to... 7800.

    Last I checked 7800 was less than 8000. So there you have it. Feds got screwed.

    On the flip side, I was laughing when I finished calculations, because I looked at the KDF, and they were perfectly fine. In fact, their total Dil they can get is well over 8000. It's actually more like 12 or 13k per day.

    So there you have it, a change that boned feds, and left the KDF mostly unscathed.

    P.S If I missed any daily sources of dilithium for the feds, please let me know.
    P.P.S This did not add in Borg/Tholian Sector Incursions, simply due to the random nature of those events and the fact not everyone has access to/ can win at them.

    if you can't hit the max, do a starbase 24 or some other fleet action (starbase 24 is like a 10 minute battle for acceptable loot and dilithium
    and here is the deal...klingons do not have that fleet action.

    so in my opinion, if you want to hit 8k per day you still can do it easily with both factions.
    "Drama for nothing this post is, yes"...to quote a charakter from another franchise.

    also the time it would take you to do your listed dailys, i may be able to pull of double of that with PVP and fleet actions.
    i mean, half of what you list are just a maximum time consuming missions that reward nothing compared to the time invested. basically in the time you travel around in sector space to get to them i can make like 4k dilithium.
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  • pveheropvehero Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    masondk wrote: »
    I understand that cryptic wants us to do other content in STO. I just did a SB24, I only got a turret. So as I understand when you do the lowest damage, you only get a console or a turret, you get no dilithium at all.

    So is there a reason to even fly a science utility ship in fleet actions anymore, because for me it seems it is all about how much damage you do now, to even get the 1440 dilithium also?
    sophlogimo wrote: »
    According to Dan Stahl, the "place" in a fleet action is not based on your damage, but on your overall impact. So you can (if they did implement that correctly) win #1 with a sci/sci, too.

    also... didn't they decide that everyone get Dili? They even removed 2xdili for the winner, so it wouldn't be "unfair".
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  • bortjinxbortjinx Member Posts: 397
    edited November 2012
    I can't help but read this thread and wonder... 'Did anyone in here read the OP?' It quite clearly states that the total he came up with is from daily missions only. That means EXCLUDING Fleet Actions. So, why so many comments about him adding them in when his entire thread was based around maxing out your dilithium BY DOING DAILIES?
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  • marc8219marc8219 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    I hit refinement cap on 2 characters, and should have enough time to cap 2 more characters before the dil refinement reset later today. I have not done a single one of these dailys on either faction and don't intend to, I find them all boring and can earn dil with just fleet actions.
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  • lordmalak1lordmalak1 Member Posts: 4,681 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    bortjinx wrote: »
    I can't help but read this thread and wonder... 'Did anyone in here read the OP?' It quite clearly states that the total he came up with is from daily missions only. That means EXCLUDING Fleet Actions. So, why so many comments about him adding them in when his entire thread was based around maxing out your dilithium BY DOING DAILIES?

    It's the price they pay, for those last 5 ships the Feds got, while the KDF got skrewed.
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  • stonefyrestonefyre Member Posts: 48 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    I should probably have modified my commentary that as solo play goes, there is no longer a way to make the 8k mark. That would have then excluded any of the multiplayer action.
    bortjinx wrote: »
    ... That means EXCLUDING Fleet Actions. So, why so many comments about him adding them in when his entire thread was based around maxing out your dilithium BY DOING DAILIES?

    I find I can't earn ANY dilithium when I play with one hand tied behind my back and both eyes closed. Cryptic sucks!
  • drakuhdrakuh Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Turn in contraband , 2000 dilithium
    I'm pretty sure you can hit your cap easly on fed side aswell , you just have to look for it . DOFF assigments can bring you 500 to 2k dilithium a day , there are about 10 assigments that give 50 dilithium each , 150 on critical , turn in colonists for an extra 500 etc etc .
  • nicha0nicha0 Member Posts: 1,456 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    I think the problem becomes not what is possible to get, but what people want to play to achieve it.

    3 non-clicking Foundry missions? That is a massive waste of time most people don't have.

    Explore strange new worlds? This generated content is terrible, buggy, and so bad that it should be deleted from the game. Spending 15 mins on this is ok, but the boredom is beyond tolerable, the only reason B'Tran was done because you could get double the dilithium

    Eta Eridani triple dailies gets a bit boring after a while, but still doable. I'll give you 1440 here.

    Deferi Dailies.. boy these are tough to run. More tedious than the Eta dailies and definitely longer, 2400 for 25 mins is ok but I can't see many doing them every day. I'll back to back the Breen ship one, thats about it.

    The academy quiz used to be fine, but am I going to head to Earth so I can get 480 dil when I have no need to anymore? Doubtful

    Asteroid mining is a good source, if you can hit the event time and squeeze in back to backs its worth your time.

    If you turn in a contraband every other day we'll give you 1000, tack on maybe 500 from Doffing?

    I'm guessing I'm going from 8k/day down to 4k, maybe 6 if I'm feeling up to running more than normal. My plan right now is to use KDF marauding to distribute excess contraband to my other characters for dil.
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  • kitsunesnoutkitsunesnout Member Posts: 1,210 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    If season 8 is supposed to give new focus to the KDF, it does make sense they'd start making the grass look redder, err greener on the KDF side of the fence so when the time comes they can profit more by having more people baited to the faction with such carrots now then they can be selling more kdf ships and stuff at the time season 8 rolls out. Being a fraction of the player base due to content lacking we should get more reward for our time in this faction. I hope that's the way they see it.
  • crypticarmsmancrypticarmsman Member Posts: 4,115 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    So I was doing some calculations after looking at what Cryptic did as a result of S7, and I came to the following conclusion:

    Feds actually cannot hit their 8k limit with just daily missions.

    Now here is what I calculated:

    Foundry (Investigate Officer Reports): 1440
    Explore Strange New Worlds: 1440
    Eta Eridani Triplet: 1440
    Deferi Dailies: 1440
    Emancipation + Rescue + Academy Quiz: 1440
    Dilithium Asteroid Mining: 600

    Which brings the grand total up to... 7800.

    Last I checked 7800 was less than 8000. So there you have it. Feds got screwed.

    On the flip side, I was laughing when I finished calculations, because I looked at the KDF, and they were perfectly fine. In fact, their total Dil they can get is well over 8000. It's actually more like 12 or 13k per day.

    So there you have it, a change that boned feds, and left the KDF mostly unscathed.

    P.S If I missed any daily sources of dilithium for the feds, please let me know.
    P.P.S This did not add in Borg/Tholian Sector Incursions, simply due to the random nature of those events and the fact not everyone has access to/ can win at them.

    You forgot to include dilithium from Doffing. Remember, you have to play ALL content to the maximum to get your 'rewards'.
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  • rifter1969rifter1969 Member Posts: 654 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    There is also Dilithium from the Nukara for I think either crystal gathering or thinning the hive, grants dil
  • sensorghostsensorghost Member Posts: 59 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    I would simply point out that a F2P casual player in any faction is NEVER going to do all that individual content every 24 hrs. Not to mention a lot of that content is awful lame. If I'm going to do redundant grinds on the whim I want to do the ones I enjoy for the effort.

    Now we are all forced to do to krap content for fewer rewards. Lovely.
  • dma1986dma1986 Member Posts: 541 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    Haven't we been told that season 8 will be about the KDF?

    I'm now wondering if it won't be the KDF getting new stuff, it'll actually be a season devoted to killing the Pi Canis sorties, Empire Defence missions, and DOff marauding freighter hunts (to get contraband) :rolleyes:
  • hereticknight085hereticknight085 Member Posts: 3,783 Arc User
    edited November 2012
    baudl wrote: »
    if you can't hit the max, do a starbase 24 or some other fleet action (starbase 24 is like a 10 minute battle for acceptable loot and dilithium
    and here is the deal...klingons do not have that fleet action.

    so in my opinion, if you want to hit 8k per day you still can do it easily with both factions.
    "Drama for nothing this post is, yes"...to quote a charakter from another franchise.

    also the time it would take you to do your listed dailys, i may be able to pull of double of that with PVP and fleet actions.
    i mean, half of what you list are just a maximum time consuming missions that reward nothing compared to the time invested. basically in the time you travel around in sector space to get to them i can make like 4k dilithium.
    You forgot to include dilithium from Doffing. Remember, you have to play ALL content to the maximum to get your 'rewards'.
    ...
    Your average casual player will usually either A) not know what fleet actions are, or B) not want to do them for various reasons.

    I should probably have modified my commentary that as solo play goes, there is no longer a way to make the 8k mark. That would have then excluded any of the multiplayer action. I also should have said as solo content missions go, which then would have excluded DOff assignments, which I am fully aware can amount to somewhere around 1.5-2k dil by the end of the day. My apologies for not clarifying that sooner.

    I never said what I was presenting was true for everyone. I was just pointing out something I noticed that wasn't there before, since before S7 was released, you could hit your 8k mark pretty easily as a fed with solo play mission content only. As is now, you can't. That's all I was saying.

    Thought I would put all of these together. I also bolded a portion of my post just to make sure my intent behind this post was made clearer.
    It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once. B)
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