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hereticknight085
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You know, in all honesty the borg in this game make me sad. They are pathetic. The only time I am ever wary of the borg is on the ground. But in space? Seriously? The only thing I even bother to think twice about engaging in space are Transwarp Gateways and ONLY because they have those massively powerful crits. Them and Tactical Cube bosses, those hit pretty hard. But in general this game has insulted the borg by making them so weak and easy to destroy.
Remember Wolf 359? 39/40 ships destroyed. You saw all the destroyed hulks in the following scene, and probably thought: Holy TRIBBLE. How are you supposed to beat something that can do that?? I know I did. And guess what, in this game I can solo a cube in my Runabout (no jokes here). At this point for me, the borg are more of an "Oh look, something to kill", whereas the borg SHOULD be: "Oh @#$%... Borg. We're &%$^ed."
I want to fear the borg. Give them back the horror and power they wielded in the shows. Make them an enemy you would rather avoid or run away from, not just wade in and kill with impunity, kicking TRIBBLE$ and taking names (even though I think in the case of the borg you would need a rather large notepad to get all their millions of names down)...
Bleh... sorry just had to get that out.
Remember Wolf 359? 39/40 ships destroyed. You saw all the destroyed hulks in the following scene, and probably thought: Holy TRIBBLE. How are you supposed to beat something that can do that?? I know I did. And guess what, in this game I can solo a cube in my Runabout (no jokes here). At this point for me, the borg are more of an "Oh look, something to kill", whereas the borg SHOULD be: "Oh @#$%... Borg. We're &%$^ed."
I want to fear the borg. Give them back the horror and power they wielded in the shows. Make them an enemy you would rather avoid or run away from, not just wade in and kill with impunity, kicking TRIBBLE$ and taking names (even though I think in the case of the borg you would need a rather large notepad to get all their millions of names down)...
Bleh... sorry just had to get that out.
It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once. 
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We've had 44 years to develop anti-Borg technology, and the Borg took significant damage when Voyager performed its endgame move. They lost the Primary Unicomplex, their Transwarp Network, and probably quite a lot of hive mind power. They're not quite the juggernaut they used to be.
From a gameplay perspective:
There ARE missions where the player has to face the Borg alone, they have to be weak enough to be defeated. If you point a player at something that they don't have a prayer of defeating and say "Go kill that," they're not going to do it. Granted, the ease of it now is a bit much, but the Borg need to be able to be defeated.
Good joke. We all know once the new STF comes out, people will start swarming in (pug-wise), get completely mauled, and come out crying foul (I'm looking at you, *name removed because I don't want to violate EULA for PWE forums*) and then wail for nerfs.
Cuz your average player can't handle the fact that there may be enemies that can wipe the floor with you. They want to all be like captains in canon, and win always. Wimps.
Make one fleet action with a real Borg cube
Not the wimps we face now
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
Minus the part where we play by history's rules and lose every time.
(Just almost every time.)
Im inclined to point a blame finger at ST:Voyager for some of the transgressions into the loling of the borg being a threatening menace.
TNG established the borg are an unreasonable, nigh unbeatable and nonnegotiable foe, a menace to anything that isnt borg...
The few times we see the borg, its completely serious, there is huge risks that you dont want to well, risk (forgive me its late, im not very creative atm
Voyager turned that into a bit of a circus act,
Starts, 'we have wandered into borg territory, red alert!'
to the 'Oh HAI DER QUEENIE, im just going to steal some tech kthnxbai'
As for videogames they dont really help either, the borg become the 'hoard' to kill, a small group of drones should strike fear into anyones hearts, you can kill a few.. but they WILL adapt, but for videogame purposes, that just simple wont do.
Plus i also blame the 'too many writers spoil the canon' excuse i love so much, when new people come in, they are often fans, and some things they write, can be weak. We had Jean Luc being borgified then TRAUMATIZED, suffering with the consquences, 'the first person to be freed', then there a so many popping out of the hive like cute technologically enhanced bunnies, who while they do have the 'oh dear, i was bad as a borg.. oh dear' its a bit lacking to full on mental breakdown
Ah...
The borg were supposed to be THE enemy, but became the lolfest they are now.
(just my nerdy two-cents
Actually I find that STF to be the most insulting one to the borg I have played yet and really shows them to be as weak as they are.
I mean atleast with the current STFs we can say 'well the borg underestimated us and didn't really bother to fight us intelligently and we got lucky' and you can kinda justify it.
Into the Hive is more of a 'hey we spotted over half a dozen borg tac cubes and support ships. Eh we can send in 5 ships and it'll be k.' Then TWO of the borg's latest and greatest ships show up so they are taking our threat seriously and we still curb stomp them. Along with their leader. It puts the final nail in the borg are weak coffin.
I rest my case.
The main problem with ST: Voyager was that they made the borg too human. There was communicating with them, negotiating with them, hell, even ALLYING WITH THEM (wtf was the thinking there???). None of this "We are the Borg. Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated." No, it was instead "We are the Borg. Oh, ok you need to be somewhere? Kthxbai." -.-
And in this game? Every time I hear the Borg mantra, all I can think is "Ok, resistance is futile. For you, that is definitely true, imma faceroll your ship, your crew, and your grandma. Then imma kill your dog, your family, and maybe, just maybe you'll live long enough to see it."
THE BORG ARE A BLOODY JOKE. Except on the ground. Then they actually hurt some. Well at least Tacs, Heavy Tacs, and Elite Tacs do. Regular drones are a roflstomp.
Use phaser rifles or pistols only and face
Aramak from cure elite
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
I can still move.
I can still fight.
I will never give up!
This is true however better does not necessarily mean facerolling them every time we meet them... personally I think Into the hive should be 20 man with some evil NPCs, just to clarify by evil I don't mean "I'ma 1 shot you with some invisible thing" I mean things with damn high resists (Both hull and shields), some powerful skills and unless you have some half decent tactics and teamwork WILL faceroll you.
I think they have taken a step in the right direction with this though, your standard PuG team is going to get slaughtered multiple times over but a well organised team with teamwork and co-ordination will still sail through this (Requiring decent builds for elite). Still look on the bright side, it's not just another DPS race
I can see 5 high end ships handling the Borg 1 cube at a time but when an Excelsior class flies into a Gamma Orionis deep space encounter, sits between 4 cubes taking from them and support ships and living to take some out I'm left thinking "Really?"
The borg were the biggest bad asses since TNG Season 1. (or was it season 2)
And yes voyager brought home technology, blah blah, but the borg also assimilate and advance them selves. in the following years they had to have adapated.
I myself am pretty disappointed at how underwhelming the game made the borg.
they dont give you the "holy Sh**" factor they did in the tv show or movies.
Even in First Contact admiral janeway talks to picard, in the beginning, then picard goes to fight the borg. The borg still kicked some TRIBBLE. before picard and the fleet took it out.
to be able to kill a cube in a run about ?
I understand they need to do it for game dynamics but do they really need to make the borg so easy?
Too late. it already got it's first nerf. if pugs can master it on elite remains to be seen.
Outside of the need to tank instead of pure DPS race this isn't much more diffcult then the other ESTFs. Normal is probably a DPS race again.
Arenek?
Thats debatable
As a Sci im fairly sure i can solo him,
As an eng i can do a lot more damage, but still tank him (assuming no cheap orb hits centre or the uber nanties critical of 100hp per dot)
As a Tact i actually managed to tank him a bit too! (KHG of course, but still managed to hold my ground while hitting high)
Anyways, was doing the KASE, and we got to Donatra. I was expecting a quick 4-5 minute fight. That 4-5 minute fight quickly became a 20 minute slaughter. She wiped the freakin floor with us. I recorded at least 26 total team deaths. To Donatra alone. Nothing of her abilities or equipment changed, but her AI... holy TRIBBLE.
Torp spreads literally every 5 seconds of both plasma and photon torps, CRF almost constantly, EPtS3 up constantly, and crapping tractor probes like it was nobodies business. Sufficed to say, even my FPE which usually never dies (engi captain) got wasted 4 times, and she actually forced me to disengage almost a dozen times, as in full hp, full shields to no shields and less than 20% hp.
It gets better. She was shooting down our tricobalts and constantly cycling her shields, constantly recharging them, and the entire time moving around intelligently. And when she cloaked, we all breathed a sigh of relief that it was over for a little bit. And when she did her decloaking thalaron blast, her aim... was incredible. She had her distance perfectly so that you needed to hit EM to get out. She got almost all of us at least once (cept me, I have a very very... paranoid EM finger, and the FPE can move pretty quick). I saw at least 4 times in which she fired consecutive torp spread 3s, usually at least 3 in a row.
THIS IS THE KIND OF BORG I WANT TO BE FIGHTING. Donatra FINALLY got some teeth! If all the borg bosses had AI like this one, that would be a GREAT start!! Then make the rest of the borg as mean as the bosses used to be, make the bosses are nasty as Donatra is now, and I will be content.
ROLL TIDE ROLL
So far without using the sniper trick I'n the corner I've never
Saw or heard of anyone soloing Arenek with a ranged weapon
My sci solos him anytime she wishes too but that's with a sword
Or pulsewave I'n melee range. I'm. Talking about soloing that guy
By shooting at him at range with a rifle or pistol
He cannot be tanked at range only at melee range solo
I've faced and mastered this guy with almost 300 encounters
He is bad to the bone
If anyone can solo tank and beat this guy at range show us a vid
Anyway I think he is the strongest Borg I'n the game
The most Kool Borg I'n the game is the Armored
Gorn that Gorn looks fantastic but is weak
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse