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Dual Heavy or Dual Cannons?

kylesal24kylesal24 Member Posts: 312
edited October 2012 in Federation Discussion
Like the title says I am wondering what would be better for the Atrox carrier. I am running 3 Phaser DHC cannons with TT 1 and CRF 1. Would Dual Cannons be better?
Also, If bonuses don't effect fighters, should I go to, say, Anti-Proton?
Thanks!

Kyle
Delta Fleet Command
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  • razellisrazellis Member Posts: 176 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Dual heavy cannons are the best damage but I didn't think the Atrox could equip them.

    As for weapon type that's up to you, personally I think the carriers are better off with phasers, disruptors or tetryons then AP. The carriers are their own team so choosing to take a hit on your personal DPS to boost your fighters/teammates may not be a bad idea.

    Phased tetryon's are what I have on mine right now, the random subsystem disable and shield stripping make the torpedo's from my Advanced Peregrines and Runabouts hit much harder. Disruptor's would work better for STFs but a carrier with the right set up shouldn't have a problem with it's assigned role in a STF.
  • kylesal24kylesal24 Member Posts: 312
    edited August 2012
    Yeah they can equip them. I use them because I like doing DPS and this lets me DPS close to a set up escort.

    I don't play support if that helps. I am the main battleship for the 5 person team. I do a lot of DPS and tank most of the enemies. Wanted to know if something besides phasers would be better for that role.

    Kyle
    Delta Fleet Command
  • shookyangshookyang Member Posts: 1,122
    edited August 2012
    The DPS is the same, for either, but the DHC gets an extra boost to Critical Severity.

    If your main role is DPS, then I'd go for the DHCs.

    It seems like the dual cannons are more for proc activation. That may benefit you if you're using Phasers, but if your main role is DPS, stick with DPS.
  • kylesal24kylesal24 Member Posts: 312
    edited August 2012
    OK thanks shookyang! could not find the difference between the 2.

    Kyle
    Delta Fleet Command
  • shookyangshookyang Member Posts: 1,122
    edited August 2012
    kylesal24 wrote: »
    OK thanks shookyang! could not find the difference between the 2.

    Kyle
    Another difference is the number of bolts shot.
    DHCs shoot 2 bolts, while DCs shoot 4.

    There's more of a chance for proc, but also for missing, I suppose.
  • reginamala78reginamala78 Member Posts: 4,593 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Oddly, despite the tooltip, dual-heavies seem to do about 10-15% more damage than duals. Maybe its because the shots cycle faster so the power recovery begins sooner, maybe because of the crits, not sure. I just know that when I did some testing a few months ago, running KASE repeatedly with the same patrol escort changing only the 3 forward weapons cannons, the parsed damage was consistantly slightly higher with heavies. The only reasons I can think to run duals over dual-heavies then are for extra procs, extra drain with the tetryon glider, or style.
  • thisslerthissler Member Posts: 2,055 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    kylesal24 wrote: »
    Like the title says I am wondering what would be better for the Atrox carrier. I am running 3 Phaser DHC cannons with TT 1 and CRF 1. Would Dual Cannons be better?
    Also, If bonuses don't effect fighters, should I go to, say, Anti-Proton?
    Thanks!

    Kyle

    If for some reason you're using Cannon abilities instead of torpedo abilities, you use DHC.

    If you use the torpedo abilities you use DC's and then use DEM.

    You don't really need TT. Torpedo Spread 1 and 2, will be far more useful and do more damage than what you are running.

    Cheers.
  • shookyangshookyang Member Posts: 1,122
    edited August 2012
    reginamala78 wrote: »
    Oddly, despite the tooltip, dual-heavies seem to do about 10-15% more damage than duals. Maybe its because the shots cycle faster so the power recovery begins sooner, maybe because of the crits, not sure. I just know that when I did some testing a few months ago, running KASE repeatedly with the same patrol escort changing only the 3 forward weapons cannons, the parsed damage was consistantly slightly higher with heavies. The only reasons I can think to run duals over dual-heavies then are for extra procs, extra drain with the tetryon glider, or style.
    It's probably doing more damage because of the extra 10% of critical severity the DHCs have.
  • reginamala78reginamala78 Member Posts: 4,593 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    shookyang wrote: »
    It's probably doing more damage because of the extra 10% of critical severity the DHCs have.

    Maybe, but the ship isn't particularly heavy into critting, and a 10% bonus to an occasional lucky shot wouldn't be enough to account for the differences entirely. Thats why I think something about energy management has more to do with it.
  • danielpenfolddanielpenfold Member Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Or mabey you might have to upgrade your ship or something like that if that help's :)
    I'm so happy :D
  • razellisrazellis Member Posts: 176 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    No upgrade necessary, that is right. No one I know of has been able to determine exactly why but there is a noticeable difference between DHC's and DC's that gives DHC's an advantage in DPS. The improved proc rate and steadier damage offered by DC's might be seen as the balance of this design decision but most of us will chose more damage over an increased proc rate.

    Edit: Just to clarify are we talking about an Armitage here? I can't see ever getting the front end of an Atrox aimed at anything else that was moving.
  • thisslerthissler Member Posts: 2,055 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Quick question.

    Are you using tactical powers on the cannons? If so that may be it. If you're using engineering abilities it generally goes the other way.

    Cheers happy flying.

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  • supergaminggeeksupergaminggeek Member Posts: 616 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Dual Cannons. Not only do they do the same DPS as the Dual Heavy Cannons, but since they fire faster, they have a better proc chance.
  • kylesal24kylesal24 Member Posts: 312
    edited August 2012
    I am talking about the Atrox carrier. With end lvl gear it turns pretty fast. I use DHC right now because I am always facing my target. I am not going to run beams on it. Also, I don't PVP so I don't care which is better for that.

    Since it is the Atrox and I only get 2 tac spots I need TT 1 thissler. It is the best tanking skill and since I am usually the main tank. I need that skill.

    Thanks for the info.

    Other question. What weapon type would be better? Phaser or something else?

    Kyle
    Delta Fleet Command
  • thibashthibash Member Posts: 506 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Single cannons. Because due to their larger arc, you can keep firing a lot longer.
  • orondisorondis Member Posts: 1,447 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Dual Heavy Cannons for greater damage and Dual Cannons for procs.

    From tests done by Nagorak, the DHC is the greater damage dealer. The reason for this is that due to the dual heavy cannons lower firing rate, they actually draw upon less power overall. This means each shot has a greater power pool.

    Personally speaking though, I wouldn't put either on a carrier. Bad enough putting them on a Gal-X.
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  • mimey2mimey2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    kylesal24 wrote: »
    I am talking about the Atrox carrier. With end lvl gear it turns pretty fast. I use DHC right now because I am always facing my target. I am not going to run beams on it. Also, I don't PVP so I don't care which is better for that.

    Since it is the Atrox and I only get 2 tac spots I need TT 1 thissler. It is the best tanking skill and since I am usually the main tank. I need that skill.

    Thanks for the info.

    Other question. What weapon type would be better? Phaser or something else?

    Kyle

    They are all good. Really, as others mentioned, you want dual cannons if you are going for a proc (phaser, tetryon, polaron, and plasma) or dual heavies for power (disruptor and antiproton).
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  • kylesal24kylesal24 Member Posts: 312
    edited August 2012
    thibash, I don't care about firing arcs. Doing fleet and STFs I am pointing at my target most of the time.

    Thanks mimey2. My try anti-protons out.

    Kyle
    Delta Fleet Command
  • rcainxrcainx Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2012
    I think its because the cooldown they share. All cannons must have a universal 1 sec cooldown. So if you're using 3 dual cannons, which has a 2 sec cooldown each, you can only fire 2 cannons for a continuos stream of damage.
    Example
    1st sec dual cannon #1
    2nd sec dual cannon #2
    3rd sec (you can fire dual cannon #1/#3)
    So one cannon will go to waste if you use 3 dual cannons
    However, if you use dual heavy cannons, they have 3 sec cooldown each:
    1st sec Dual Heavy Cannon #1
    2nd sec Dual Heavy Cannon #2
    3rd sec Dual Heavy Cannon #3
    4th sec Dual Heavy Cannon #1
    You get a continuos stream of fire and you dont waste any cannons
    I think thats why
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  • kylesal24kylesal24 Member Posts: 312
    edited October 2012
    You know this is from over 2 months ago?

    Kyle
    Delta Fleet Command
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