Chimera, first of its kind or unique?

yreodred · October 2012

To make one thing clear, this is NOT about making the Life time subscription reward availlable to the open public. The 200 -300$ club can keep their little elitist ship and its special power, i don't care.

My question is, will there be more Starfleet and KDF heavy destroyers or "Cruiser - Escort hybrid" class ships?
I hope, the Chimera and its Klingon counterpart are just the first of a line of new class of ship types.
I know many people are waiting for the release of the Andorian Battlecruiser, but i am just talking about Starfleet/KDF designs.
(Seeing more and more (non) Starfleet ships like the D'kora or Galor, is just annyoing to me.)

Do you think there will be more ships like it, or do you think Cruiser - Escort Hybrids will stay unique?

Personally, i hope they are just the start of a new line of ship types. I never liked how extreme ships in STO are (either pure Tanks or pure ecorts, you get the idea).
Seeing something more in between would be nice.

I think it wouldn't hurt anyone if they would release a Chimera "light", the same ship just without it's special powers.
(meaning, no Regenerative Mode, no special Tactical Mode or internal Advanced Quantum Slipstream Drive, just the plain ship)
Or they could even release a different ship, having similar stats and a similar BOFF & console Layout.

What do you guys think about it?

I hope my english is understandable, since most of the time i find it difficult to find the right words in my native language.

timelord79 · October 2012

I think, it's just the first of a new line, which is great in some ways, since it allows players to get the best of 2 worlds and regrettable in others, as it obsoletes a lot of the iconic ships.

mimey2 · October 2012

I do agree with timelord in that it really is nice and not so nice. Nice that we are getting a mixture of two ship classes, but all the previous ships become a little less 'top of the line'.

azurianstar · October 2012

In a way yes and no.

While the Chimera does fit perfectly in the role between the Escort and Cruiser, I would say that the Galor was really the first of the Tactical Cruisers that was the first that bridged the gap between Escort and Cruiser. And there is the BoP, since Day 1 the 4 Universal slots could be configured similarly to the Destroyer.

So will be interesting to see if we get more ships that parellel the destroyer in capability. Perhaps the Vesta? Instead of a Commander Tactical of the Destoyer, it's a Science Commander with LTC Universal?

nynik · October 2012

It will be interesting to see how Cryptic will run with this, but I wonder how much more sales such a new line would attract over conventional ships as when considering consoles. I've spoken to many people who justify their ship purchase (either with cash or time) for the console only (which they use on another ship).

Inbuilt transformations to different modes would seem to put an end to that way of thinking, unless they also plan to simultaneously continue the conventional "comes with a console that can be used on ..." approach.

I'm also unsure if seeing ships transform is really the best direction to go. I have certainly no problem with different gameplay modes. It may very well be the best way to design a ship to lure in more consumers who would otherwise pass on a science centric ship for example. But we rarely saw ships actually transform on tv in this context or anywhere near as dramatically. I just don't want to see it overused (visually) on Starfleet vessels at least. AUTOBOTS ROLLOUT!

stf65 · October 2012

The Mobius came out slightly before the Chimera so clearly the destroyer is a new line of ships coming into the game. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Vesta come out as a destroyer too. That way it could fit the cannons and other such things seen in the books.

direphoenix · October 2012

The Chimera and Pegh'jgnkdsjnsgdnsgnsfvjswhatever are both Destroyers. Destroyers aren't new. The KDF has already had destroyers with the Nausicaan ships.

yreodred · October 2012

I agree with you guys, i hope there will be more ships like it.
(no matter if they can use DHCs or not.)

But i'm not so sad seeing cryptics totally wrong interpretations of "real" Trek ships becoming less central. I actually think they should have made the iconic ships less extreme, similar to the chimera.
(less extreme, more "balanced" in their abilities.)
If you look at it from that perspective i am glad we (hopefully) will get more ships like it, leaving the old and lame Stone/Paper/Scissor system behind.

I just hope that cryptic will make some good looking ship models and does not start to create ugly buckets like they did in the past.

Personally i think the "hot rod" approach they did with the chimera suits to that ship very well.

I hope my english is understandable, since most of the time i find it difficult to find the right words in my native language.

psiameese · October 2012

I'm of the opinion that others will follow as well. I could easily see the future Andorian starship configured similarly.

leviathan99 · October 2012

I think the Excalibur/Exeter/Vesta (ie. the "not a Connie") will be a Destroyer.

Compare the stat upgrades between, say, the Nova or the Gladius to the T5 versions by percentage.

Now apply those same % upgrades to the "Not a Connie."

What results is not a cruiser. What you get is something akin to being the second Cruiser-iest Escort or the Escort-iest Cruiser.

You'd have to redefine the Exeter/Excalibur/Vesta to make it anything BUT a Destroyer.

There's no way a ship that small and nimble could be a cruiser and no way a ship that rugged and slow can be an Escort.

yreodred · October 2012

stoleviathan99 wrote: »

I think the Excalibur/Exeter/Vesta (ie. the "not a Connie") will be a Destroyer.

Compare the stat upgrades between, say, the Nova or the Gladius to the T5 versions by percentage.

Now apply those same % upgrades to the "Not a Connie."

What results is not a cruiser. What you get is something akin to being the second Cruiser-iest Escort or the Escort-iest Cruiser.

You'd have to redefine the Exeter/Excalibur/Vesta to make it anything BUT a Destroyer.

There's no way a ship that small and nimble could be a cruiser and no way a ship that rugged and slow can be an Escort.

I don't know but these ships seem not study enough to be a destroyer, if you compare their look and size with the Chimera IMHO.
I think the devs should make some new ship designs, maybe similar to the chimera.

Another option would have been to use the Ship models of the Heavy cruiser (you know the 4 nacelle CMDR Cruisers). But since the devs have already wasted those designs to become the "Fleet Heavy Cruiser" (which are just some boring Assault Cruiser Clones, BOFF & Console Layout wise), they won't be the future Destroyer class.
Personally i would have liked seeing them become Starfleets Destroyers or heavy Destroyers. But i don't see those ships fireing Cannons.
(i think Destroyers shouldn't be able to use DHC at all. Some enhanced Dual Beam Banks would have been perfect, IMHO) Not only that, i find cannons (used in such a amount) a bit unsuiteable for a Star Trek Game, additionally i find the sound of fireing cannons extremely annoying TBH.

On the other hand, i think the Prometheus design would have fit well for a "destroyer" Class too IMHO.
(still better than to make it a nimble cannon fireing fighter like ship)

I hope my english is understandable, since most of the time i find it difficult to find the right words in my native language.

leviathan99 · October 2012

yreodred wrote: »

I don't know but these ships seem not study enough to be a destroyer, if you compare their look and size with the Chimera IMHO.
I think the devs should make some new ship designs, maybe similar to the chimera.

Another option would have been to use the Ship models of the Heavy cruiser (you know the 4 nacelle CMDR Cruisers). But since the devs have already wasted those designs to become the "Fleet Heavy Cruiser" (which are just some boring Assault Cruiser Clones, BOFF & Console Layout wise), they won't be the future Destroyer class.
Personally i would have liked seeing them become Starfleets Destroyers or heavy Destroyers. But i don't see those ships fireing Cannons.
(i think Destroyers shouldn't be able to use DHC at all. Some enhanced Dual Beam Banks would have been perfect, IMHO) Not only that, i find cannons (used in such a amount) a bit unsuiteable for a Star Trek Game, additionally i find the sound of fireing cannons extremely annoying TBH.

On the other hand, i think the Prometheus design would have fit well for a "destroyer" Class too IMHO.
(still better than to make it a nimble cannon fireing fighter like ship)

I hope my english is understandable, since most of the time i find it difficult to find the right words in my native language.

I think the best label for that ship is probably "Light Destroyer."

And your English is better than many native speakers.

traptpatriot · October 2012

I'd like to see more battleship/destroyers too. Honestly, there is no need for cruisers in space missions/events. You don't need a tank and you can't do the DPS an escort can, or have CC abilities like a Science.

On that note, KDF does have a few ships that fit this description. Most Klingon battle cruisers have decent turn rate, good hull/shields, etc. But have mostly engineer boff slots.

I would love to see the Typhoon or a similar type of ship with decent turn rate, good hull and decent DPS for my engineer because he doesn't feel right in an escort. Just IMO.

direphoenix · October 2012

yreodred wrote: »

I don't know but these ships seem not study enough to be a destroyer, if you compare their look and size with the Chimera IMHO.

Well, the in-game classifications for the current player-flown Miranda-class ship variants are "Light Cruisers", while NPC Miranda-class ships are labeled "Frigates". They could re-label the starter T1 Miranda class ships "Frigates" and call the Exeter/Excalibur/Vesta "Light Cruisers".

...OR, maybe just keep the Exeter/Excalibur/Vesta with their current classification of "Cruiser". Not "Assault Cruiser", "Star Cruiser", "Battle Cruiser", "Advanced Tactical Cruiser", "Exploration Cruiser", or "Heavy Cruiser". Just plain "Cruiser".

yreodred · October 2012

stoleviathan99 wrote: »

I think the best label for that ship is probably "Light Destroyer."

And your English is better than many native speakers.

I think calling it Light Destroyer would be OK.
But on the other hand, those ships would have way more firepower than a Galaxy or even Sovereign Class for example.

I don't think that would be a good idea TBH.

stoleviathan99 wrote: »

And your English is better than many native speakers.

Thanks a lot.

I find it very hard to express my thoughts even in my native language, so i am sometimes not so sure what words to use in ANOTHER language.
Especially when it comes to Star Trek and MMOs where things are sometimes a bit more complicated then normal, i need quite a while to write a post. As you can see i need much more words to express what i want to say. I just want to make sure that what i say won't be missunderstood.

futurepastnow · October 2012

I think there will be more ships with similar specifications, yes. I believe there will inevitably be a C-Store Heavy Destroyer with the same stats, and a different console and costume (hopefully a costume with parts that are interchangeable with the vet ship).

Also, the Fleet Heavy Escort Carrier has the same 34,500 hull as the Chimera, a better turn rate, and an extra console slot. No fleet has Shipyard V yet, but it will be a popular ship in a few months.

Chimera, first of its kind or unique?

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