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hamradio18hamradio18 Member Posts: 19 Arc User
Hey guys,

Before I begin, I want to reassure you that this isn't another hate thread, or an "I am going to quite" thread. This thread is about what I think the state of the game, and what should be done about it. Now, I will be honest and tell you that I am not very happy about the state of the game, but I am not going to be posting in all caps, and stuff like that. So, here we go.

Basically, I think the current state of the sucks. The game need to return to it's "Star Trek"(Is that supposed to be one word or two?) roots.
The main reason I began playing this game is because of the name "Star Trek". I am a Star Trek fan, although I don't think I would call myself a Trekkie. I have seen almost every episode, and watched every movie. However, it isn't my life.

This game needs to return to it's "Star Trek" roots. This game is no longer "Star Trek" it is a normal game with the name "Star Trek" stamped on it to make sales. Now, I think this game has seriously tanked since going F2P. Yes, a lot of good people have come because of it, but also a lot of bad people. I am not sure if the good out-ways the bad.

So let's start at the beginning, and the biggest thing that I think is wrong with this game.
The Lock Boxes. Now, I realize that since going F2P this game is another source of income, and the lock boxes are the way to do it. However, in the real "Star Trek" universe, would you really see a Federation or Klingon captain flying around in a Cardassian, Jem Hadar, Tholian, and all the other ships that they have introduced? I will answer it for you if you don't know the answer. No, they wouldn't. Never in a million years would you see that. Solution? Delete all the lock box ships that they have put in the game. I am sure that will make a lot of people unhappy, but that is what has to happen to turn this game back to it's "Star Trek" roots. Plus the lock box ships are OP. I mean, look at the future ships that they have just released. I don't stand a chance in my defiant-r!

What's the next thing that PW/Cryptic needs to do? Listen to the community. Whatever the community wants, give it to them. It should be obvious that whatever the community wants is going to make the most money.

I could write a lot more, but I think that if PW/Cryptic did what I am proposing, this game would be a lot better off.
Playing since: Feb 2011.
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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    To put it bluntly, your basis for argument is really without merit. Lockboxes shouldn't exist because the Federation wouldn't allow people to use non-Fed ships? That's your big break from canon in the game? That?

    In a 25th Century Trek universe a 22nd Century NX should not exist. The Federation would not allow a captain to use a 250 year old ship. In a 25th Century Trek universe a 23rd Century TOS Connie would not exist. The Federation would not allow a captain to use 150 year old ships. Starfleet would not allow a D'kyr - a Vulcan ship - to be used. Starfleet would not allow an Atrox - a Caitian Ship - to be used. And so on, and so on, and so on.

    None of it makes canon sense because it's not designed to be canon. It's designed for Trek fanboys. So one player can geek-out in a TOS Connie wearing a TOS uniform just as easily as another player can geek-out in a Prometheus wearing an AGT uniform even though those things would be impossible to coexist in a canon Trek universe.

    Why don't you just state it like it really is: you don't like to spend money for Lockbox Keys and so you want to pretend it's really a canon issue. You're trying to hide your disdain under a tarp of canon continuity, but anyone who's played this game since Launch knows there's really no canon continuity in it - as the TOS Connies have been in the game since Launch Day.

    And your argument about OP is also meaningless - and has been going on since the first C-Store ship was released into the game over 2 years ago. I even think it's funny how you're talking about OP ships and then talking about how you're using a C-Store ship yourself. How do you think the people who can't afford a Defiant R feel when they encounter you? They feel like you're OP and cheating too. Pot meet kettle. :)
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • levi3levi3 Member Posts: 1,663 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    You obviously don't want to play the game because if anything you said were to happen the servers would be shut down as almost no-one would be left and there would be no money to pay the power bills - then they would most definitly go down.
  • cormorancormoran Member Posts: 440 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    hamradio18 wrote: »
    What's the next thing that PW/Cryptic needs to do? Listen to the community. Whatever the community wants, give it to them. It should be obvious that whatever the community wants is going to make the most money.

    Here's the thing. Like it or not they've been doing this. With everything from c-store ships to lockbox ships. People are flying around in them (you yourself have a defiant-r), the community has shown through it's actions and purchases that it wants them (this speaks far louder than our words on the forums), cryptic world has given it to us in a form that somewhat minimises their numbers.

    In order to maintain a more canon feel they'd have to NOT give the community what it wants.
  • psycoticvulcanpsycoticvulcan Member Posts: 4,160 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    I get what you're saying about canon and Star Trek roots, but just "deleting" the lockbox ships will not help. Can you imagine how a player would feel if, after blowing hundreds of dollars to get a Galor, that ship was suddenly "deleted"? Even if Cryptic offered their money back, I think most such people would just ragequit.
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    -Thomas Marrone
  • hereticknight085hereticknight085 Member Posts: 3,783 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    The state of the game is true. It does suck. But not for reasons you stated. Your reasoning is terrible. I mean cmon, all you are saying is that it's not canon? News Flash: Games usually don't follow canon after a certain point, and this game has LOOOOONG passed that certain point. It actually passed that point the second that they introduced the assimilated Undine. Anyways, getting past that, you are correct. The game sucks. But NOT because of what you said. It sucks because there are so many bug issues and broken parts of the game that it's not funny. Now if they started to fix all the bugs BEFORE introducing new things, THAT would be a step in the right direction. What you proposed is just stupid. Cut off their income. GOOD JOB.

    I personally hate the whole lockbox madness. It's stupid, having to gamble away TRIBBLE like that, but at the same time I understand the need for it. The game needs to make money. What better way to do it than random chance of getting something really awesome, but have it still be random? Lock Boxes do nothing for me. Grant you I do find the tholian ships rather attractive and do plan on getting a recluse at some point, but I am not a proponent of the lock boxes. But tbh, I would rather have lock boxes than the prices on all the c-store ships sky-rocketing.

    So as I said, fix the bugs, remove a few glitches, and then introduce new stuff. That's a good step dontcha think?
    It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once. B)
  • askrayaskray Member Posts: 3,329 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    Actually, captains flew enemy ships in a couple of episodes just fyi ;)

    Also while I know this isn't the popular answer but "giving the community everything they want" isn't ever a viable solution as the community is never 100% wanting anything. It's always divided.
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  • kagurazaka77kagurazaka77 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    hamradio18 wrote: »
    What's the next thing that PW/Cryptic needs to do? Listen to the community. Whatever the community wants, give it to them. It should be obvious that whatever the community wants is going to make the most money.
    So what does the community want?

    Based on the number of Bugs, D'Kora and the amount of lockbox messages I see, I'd say it's lockbox ships.

    So which is it. A pure, rigid super-canon game that ignores what the players want, or listening to the community (or more accurately, the player-base)?

    Because if you're considering the 'community' as those of us who post on the forums, you're excluding about 90% of those who play.
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  • majesticmsfcmajesticmsfc Member Posts: 1,401 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    Okay my main issues that have made me start to look at alternative games are:

    Lack of missions, Cryptic states they aren't worth making. The how come most people who come here ask for story, new missions and so forth. Perhaps if you look some inspiration from other games and from the fans you'll see they are worth it. If you add some replay value. FM, Dilithium and even EC rewards. Until items that are competitive with end game sets. Perhaps even fleet bonuses if you play with a team. Also an improvement into the AI so they aren't so bland and predictable.

    Lack of faction uniqueness and completeness. KDF faction all I can say. Get them complete put them as a priority then get started on the Romulans as soon as you get the KDF done. Make all three factions unique and equal in terms of content and development.

    Limited time rewards, they suck, unfair to those who can't get them due to not being able to get on at the time. We all have real lives Cryptic.

    Lack of incentive for Subscriptions and Lifetime. We showed commitment to your game, how about showing some better treatment who have but large sums of money or regular income into the game. Treat your customers right than just exploiting them. Especially the guys who have been here and are up or over the 700 day reward. All that time going through the no content drought.

    To be totally honest Cryptic needs to treat their customers better, make them feel valued, treat them as if they are one of the most important assets of their business which they are. Start sorting out your team devoting some to the Federation, some to the KDF and some to C-Store items (for both factions equally). If a fan in their free time can do a mission in a day or two, why can't Cryptic release 2 a fortnight (1 Federation and 1 KDF)!
    Support the Game by Supporting the KDF, equality and uniqueness for all factions!
  • esquire1980esquire1980 Member Posts: 152 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    What your asking for is nothing more than an NGE and we all know how the 1st one turned out. Taking a boat-load of items/content away and replacing it with basicly, nothing.

    It is what it is now. Not to even mention that people bought and paid for these lock-box ships. And a NGE to those might even cause a boat-load of legal problems due to that paid ownership. It's NEVER going to happen. Was it good for the game and the playerbase that Cyptic chose this type of development? Probably not. Could they have chosen another route. You bet. But now, it's never going to simply "go-away".
  • syberghostsyberghost Member Posts: 1,711 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    Lack of missions, Cryptic states they aren't worth making. The how come most people who come here ask for story, new missions and so forth.

    Because by and large, people who are content with the state of things don't start forum threads.
    Former moderator of these forums. Lifetime sub since before launch. Been here since before public betas. Foundry author of "Franklin Drake Must Die".
  • captainkyoncaptainkyon Member Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    i've been playing this game since beta... bought my Star Trek Online Collectors Edition since dec 2009... ever since Season 3 i can't get the "vibs" to play this game anymore... but i still log on every few months to see any change and it has been going down hill ever since...

    This isn't star trek... it feels like Silkroadonline or some other mmorpg that don't make sense...

    This game need to be re-created... i hope some gaming company who values startrek more buys back the licence and give us a game that can be proudly called StarTrek Online...
  • captainkyoncaptainkyon Member Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    i really wish that Perpetual Entertainment finished STO... sigh...

    http://www.suricatafx.com/?p=332
  • allikitten80allikitten80 Member Posts: 8 Arc User
    edited September 2012
    The state of the game is true. It does suck. But not for reasons you stated. Your reasoning is terrible. I mean cmon, all you are saying is that it's not canon? News Flash: Games usually don't follow canon after a certain point, and this game has LOOOOONG passed that certain point. It actually passed that point the second that they introduced the assimilated Undine. Anyways, getting past that, you are correct. The game sucks. But NOT because of what you said. It sucks because there are so many bug issues and broken parts of the game that it's not funny. Now if they started to fix all the bugs BEFORE introducing new things, THAT would be a step in the right direction. What you proposed is just stupid. Cut off their income. GOOD JOB.

    I personally hate the whole lockbox madness. It's stupid, having to gamble away TRIBBLE like that, but at the same time I understand the need for it. The game needs to make money. What better way to do it than random chance of getting something really awesome, but have it still be random? Lock Boxes do nothing for me. Grant you I do find the tholian ships rather attractive and do plan on getting a recluse at some point, but I am not a proponent of the lock boxes. But tbh, I would rather have lock boxes than the prices on all the c-store ships sky-rocketing.

    So as I said, fix the bugs, remove a few glitches, and then introduce new stuff. That's a good step dontcha think?

    I agree with this. The game would be so much better if they'd work on the bugs, instead of more content, at least for a bit. Content can wait a few weeks with lots of in between bug fixes.
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