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alexindcobra
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When are the Devs going to Balance out the powers of the Lockbox ships? The Jem'Hadar ship take the cake when it come to power. It should be on par with the Difiant class but they gave it way more power so it is able to out sustain other ships in firepower, shield power, and in engine power. With the borg, console setup with MACO shield, the Jem'bug is vertually indestructable. If you have players running around in PVP Indestructable then the game is broken because what is the point of playing against somebody you cant destroy. These player know that they cant be killed because they can out run everybody and come back and destroy everyon before he has to run again, so now you have created game bully's who harras everybody who can't destroy him, even in War Zone.
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Best way to kill a bug. Sub Nuke is TRIBBLE 2 times. once to wipe his alpha and primary defenses. and a second after his RSP, and Escape buttons. Then hit him with VM, Tractor and wipe the floor with him. That is one thing I will say about the bug. It's surprisingly vulnerable to Sci ****.
Of course it is. After all by and large the people with bugs are only merely Adequate in the face of their betters that don't have the bug. The obviously need more crutches :rolleyes:
And those 2 universal stations make a bug better per se? No.
In fact the standard old fleet escort (Now patrol i think) setup is still the most viable. So i wouldnt call this aspect of the ship OP.
Sure more functionality and combinations, but no, not OP.
More shield, more hull, higher turn rate than any other (fed) escort, 5 tac consoles and a viable boff layout do not make them OP? What else would a ship need to be OP?
In my eyes its the most unfair ship in the game, breaking the balance in PVP because of its rareness.
its more like that will kill everything, even the bug. it seems like the bug is week vs sci because its so NOT weak against everything else.
yes i know the excelsior is older but at least you can pretend its been updated through out time, the bug ship hasnt. it was here 30 years ago then it wasnt. the whole "displaced" from time thing and what-not.
Hear! Daughters too.
The blood of battle washes clean.
The Warrior brave and true.
We fight, we love, and then we kill...
If they made Fleet ships, that some fleets are charging people to buy from them for what, 5-10mill as good as what is currently the only escort in the game lockboxwise, then nobody would pay to get their hands on them.
The last study I saw from extensive testing, says it costs on adverage ?154 ($250) per lockbox ship to drop ingame. If the ship wasen't special then few people would want it. Sure, many would to own it, but PVPers in most cases take ability over looks. The Tuffli is pretty rare, but you don't see it in PVP because it's ****.
If it was rubbish - PVPers wouldn't fly them in PVP.
If it was rubbish - fewer would sell, Cryptic makes less money.
How is this hard to understand after all the "OMG it's OP make it go away please/scambox threads
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Use the Borg Consoles and MACO Shield and your hull and shield will regenerate like crazy.
What about the bug with the borg console and Maco shield? My nemesis''s main setup is that. I can't do anything to him. That autonimus regen makes him heal as fast as a cruiser. I can shoot his Engines all day but it won't stop him from tearing me up with his cannon vollies. That Borg /MACO setup will turn most escorts into juggernaughts, especially the Bug.
I call BS, because people will fly whatever they feel like flying as long as its as good as the other ships in PVP. I have seen People battle with Freighters, shuttles, and with Alien ship skins. There were no bonuses before the Lockbox TRIBBLE. Speak for yourself if you think nobody will buy an alien ship just if it doesn beat all other ships in performance. If you only buy ships if you think its an "I win" ship, then that is your problem.
everyone here should be crying foul on that ship too.
the bug has less spike potential then the fleet defiant, but is more defensive and agile.
same old tired argument.
you wanna call something out, how about the healing in this game. ive seen some downright TRIBBLE healing numbers lately. in this pug the other day, crimson healed for like 2.7 mil. no other damage or healing number was over 500k.
now he is a great pilot, but if given the right tools, all good pilots can achieve such success.
have fun kill bad guys
Yeah... read my post again, I didn't say that.
@Aquitaine985
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2010: This is Cryptic PvP. Please hold the line, your call is very important to us...
Oh yeah, I am. That ship is too powerfal as a leach ship. It is just as bad as those siphon Drones. Shutting your ship down so you can fight it, leaving you vulnerable to destruction.
Yeah, well you missed quoted me saying ,"make it go away". I could say ban it from PVP and that would balance the game very well. I didn't say it but I am implying to the Devs to fix the Jem'Hadar ship to where it is more balanced with other existing escorts.
Actually, the truth is I spent 165 bucks trying to get a marauder and failed, then i crafted my backside off to ,ake 100 million ec to buy it off the exchange....if it wasn't better than the standard c-store ships i wouldn't have spent a single penny on.......you need to do everyone a HUGE favor...grab a tissue....buy some skill....and learn how to PvP b4 you QQ like a crybaby all over the forums.....NUFF said
Is there anything you won't QQ about?
Nothing wrong with borg Alex, its just that imo Omega is better. You get boost speed and turn and worse case you speed out of combat and heal. Very low chances for anybody to catch you. Plus polaron + tet glider = good damage. Borg IMO is second best for bug. It may be just me, but if I have to choose, I'd choose omega vs Borg.
Hear! Daughters too.
The blood of battle washes clean.
The Warrior brave and true.
We fight, we love, and then we kill...
Cpt H, imagine recluse with an engi klink Cpt. You get 30+ power to all levels with leech and max flows + flow cap. You don't even need to switch powers from weap/shields to aux when healing if you use eptoaux. That is indeed op healing wise. And even w/o leech, that ship heals any damage that's coming from the worse dps escort easily. And can be made to do reasonable damage too... No escort can stand that long to a recluse.
Edit: actually crimson made me roll up a recluse kdf engi tune, I met him in a pug TRIBBLE and splode and it took 3 ships (2 bugs and a bop) to nail him in over 1 min... His damage was almost none, at least I didn't notice it as significant, but healing was just insane... In a premade he would be the guy keeping the team healed and with 0 deaths.
Hear! Daughters too.
The blood of battle washes clean.
The Warrior brave and true.
We fight, we love, and then we kill...
I agree.
moreover, Im running now for a few days the tier2 fleet escort retrofit (Saber) and i think its even better than the patrol. Although shields and hull are slightly less, the turnrate and inertia are higher. I also saw the twitter reply from captain geko that the turnrate will be increased even more.
I found out that the little Saber is very viable with 2x purple damage control doffs and 3x evasive conns... With aegis engine/def and maco shield I have defense up to 88% and I outrun almost everyone.
If ppl want, I can post the build.
ps, Mav, we need an escort thread
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I hope Devs have learned therr lesson about the othet lockbox monsters so i hope they make these ship in proportion to the regular C-Store Ships.
also, KDF is getting AMS consoles... just saying...